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Hi experts, could anyone help to clarify why is faster pump's rate is x and not 1.5x here?
Also not sure why answer is the same regardless of faster pump rate is x or 1.5x? Thanks for your time in advanced.

Two water pumps, working simultaneously at their respective constant rates, took exactly four hours to fill a certain swimming pool. If the constant rate of one pump was 1.5 times the constant rate of the other, how many hours would it have taken the faster pump to fill the pool if it had worked alone at it's constant rate?

A. 5
B. 16/3
C. 11/2
D. 6
E. 20/3

APPROACH 1:

If you assume that the RATE of the faster pump is x pool/hour, then the RATE of the slower pump would be x/1.5 = 2x/3 pool/hour.

Since the combined rate is 1/4 pool/hour, then we have that x + 2x/3 = 1/4 --> x = 3/20 pool/hour.

The time is the reciprocal of the rate, therefore it would take 20/3 hours for the faster pump to fill the pool working alone.

Answer: E.

APPROACH 2:

If you assume that the RATE of the slower pump is x pool/hour, then the RATE of the faster pump would be 1.5x = 3x/2 pool/hour.

Since the combined rate is 1/4 pool/hour, then we have that x + 3x/2 = 1/4 --> x = 1/10 pool/hour. The RATE of the faster pump would be 3x/2 = 3/20 pool/hour.

The time is the reciprocal of the rate, therefore it would take 20/3 hours for the faster pump to fill the pool working alone.

Answer: E.

APPROACH 3:

If you assume that the TIME it takes for the slower pump to fill the pool is x hours, then the TIME it takes for the faster pump to fill the pool would be x/1.5 = 2x/3 hours. Consequently, the rates of the slower and faster pumps would be 1/x and 3/(2x) pool/hour respectively.

Since the combined rate is 1/4 pool/hour, then we have that 1/x + 3/(2x) = 1/4 --> x = 10 hours. The TIME it takes for the faster pump to fill the pool would be x/1.5 = 2x/3 = 20/3 hours.

Answer: E.

APPROACH 4:

If you assume that the TIME it takes for the faster pump to fill the pool is x hours, then the TIME it takes for the slower pump to fill the pool would be 1.5x = 3x/2 hours. Consequently, the rates of the faster and slower pumps would be 1/x and 2/(3x) pool/hour respectively.

Since the combined rate is 1/4 pool/hour, then we have that 1/x + 2/(3x) = 1/4 --> x = 20/3 hours.

Answer: E.

As you can see, you can denote x as either the rate or the time of the slower or faster pump. It will still yield the same answer.

Hope it helps.
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i am little confused. If i take slower pump as X then 1/X + 1/1.5X = 1/4 which would result X = 20/3 and so faster pump as 10..... where i am going wrong...
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i am little confused. If i take slower pump as X then 1/X + 1/1.5X = 1/4 which would result X = 20/3 and so faster pump as 10..... where i am going wrong...

In my solution x is the rate in your solution x is the time.

In your solution x is the time of the faster pump and 1.5x is the time of the slower pump (faster pump needs less time).

Hope it's clear.
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Two water pumps, working simultaneously at their respective constant rates, took exactly four hours to fill a certain swimming pool. If the constant rate of one pump was 1.5 times the constant rate of the other, how many hours would it have taken the faster pump to fill the pool if it had worked alone at it's constant rate?

A. 5
B. 16/3
C. 11/2
D. 6
E. 20/3

Work rate problems are my weakest area. For whatever reason I get mixed up on these problem. Even knowing the answer to this question I can't figure out how it comes out to that answer. Any help would be great, thanks!

sol:

Rates be A and B

(A+B) * Time = Work
(A+B) * 4 = 1 ---->eq 1

A= 3B/2 ----->eq 2

substituting eq 2 in eq 1

B = 1/10 --->eq 3

substituting eq 3 in eq 2

A= 3/20

Time= work/rate
= 1/(3/20) =>20/3
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I did,
A+B = 4
A = 1.5B

4-B = 1.5B => B = 8/5

Why is this wrong?
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I did,
A+B = 4
A = 1.5B

4-B = 1.5B => B = 8/5

Why is this wrong?

We are told that "two water pumps, working simultaneously at their respective constant rates, took exactly four hours to fill a certain swimming pool".

If one pump needs A hours to fill the pool (rate=1/A) and another need B hours to fill the same pool (rate=1/B), then 1/A + 1/B = 1/4.

Solving 1/A + 1/B = 1/4 and A = 1.5B gives A=10 and B=20/3.

Check the links provided here: two-water-pumps-working-simultaneously-at-their-respective-155865.html#p1245761 for more.
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yes it does. Thanks...

Let me elaborate the math so that it's absolutely clear:

Let's calculate the combined rate first:

Rate x Time = Work
Rate x 4 = 1 [It takes 4 hours for both the pumps to fill up the pool]
Rate = 1/4 [So, 1/4 is the rate for the pumps working together]

Now, the let's assume the rate for the slower pump is x ; so the rate for the faster pump will be 1.5x

According to our previous calculations,
Slower pump + faster pump = 1/4
x + 1.5x = 1/4
2.5x = 1/4
x = 1/10 [slower pump's rate]

so, the faster pump's rate is 1/10 x 1.5 = 3/20

Now let's calculate the time it will take for the faster pump

Rate x Time = Work
3/20 x Time = 1
Time = 1 x 20/3 = 20/3 the answer :)
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Two water pumps, working simultaneously at their respective constant rates, took exactly four hours to fill a certain swimming pool. If the constant rate of one pump was 1.5 times the constant rate of the other, how many hours would it have taken the faster pump to fill the pool if it had worked alone at it's constant rate?

A. 5
B. 16/3
C. 11/2
D. 6
E. 20/3

Work rate problems are my weakest area. For whatever reason I get mixed up on these problem. Even knowing the answer to this question I can't figure out how it comes out to that answer. Any help would be great, thanks!


fast pump takes x hour
Slow pump takes 1.5x hour

so

1/x+1/1.5x = 1/4

> (1.5+1)/1.5x = 1/4
> 2.5/1.5x = 1/4
> 1.5 x = 10
>x = 10/1.5
>x = 20/3


Somebody confirm whether this is a right approach to do this type of problem or not. Thanks
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How would you solve this problem by saying the faster pump 1.5x and slower x. I cant seem to figure that out.
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How would you solve this problem by saying the faster pump 1.5x and slower x. I cant seem to figure that out.

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Two water pumps, working simultaneously at their respective constant rates, took exactly four hours to fill a certain swimming pool.

Capacity of the swimming pool is -

5*4 = 20

Quote:
how many hours would it have taken the faster pump to fill the pool if it had worked alone at it's constant rate?

The faster pump is pump B, so time required by fill the swimming pool alone will be = Total Capacity of the pool/Efficiency of Pipe B

20/3

Hence answer is (E)
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Two water pumps, working simultaneously at their respective constant rates, took exactly four hours to fill a certain swimming pool. If the constant rate of one pump was 1.5 times the constant rate of the other, how many hours would it have taken the faster pump to fill the pool if it had worked alone at it's constant rate?

A. 5
B. 16/3
C. 11/2
D. 6
E. 20/3

We are given that the rate of 1 pump is 1.5 times faster than the rate of the other pump. Since 1 pool is being filled and rate = work/time, the rate of the faster pump is 1/x, in which x = the time it takes for the faster pump to fill the pool, and the rate of the slower pump = 1/(1.5x) = 1/(3x/2) = 2/3x.

Since when the pumps work together they take 4 hours to fill 1 pool, we can create the following equation:

work of faster pump + work of slower pump = 1

(1/x)4 + (2/3x)4 = 1

4/x + 8/3x = 1

Multiplying the entire equation by 3x, we have:

12 + 8 = 3x

20 = 3x

20/3 = x

Answer: E
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Two water pumps, working simultaneously at their respective constant rates, took exactly four hours to fill a certain swimming pool. If the constant rate of one pump was 1.5 times the constant rate of the other, how many hours would it have taken the faster pump to fill the pool if it had worked alone at it's constant rate?

A. 5
B. 16/3
C. 11/2
D. 6
E. 20/3

Work rate problems are my weakest area. For whatever reason I get mixed up on these problem. Even knowing the answer to this question I can't figure out how it comes out to that answer. Any help would be great, thanks!

Say the rate of the faster pump is x pool/hour, then the rate of the slower pump would be x/1.5=2x/3 pool/hour.

Since, the combined rate is 1/4 pool/hour, then we have that x+2x/3=1/4 --> x=3/20 pool hour.

The time is reciprocal of the rate, therefore it would take 20/3 hours the faster pump to fill the pool working alone.

Answer: E.


I'm having trouble seeing how you got x= 3/20 from x+2x = 1/4. Do you mind showing step by step? thank you!!
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Two water pumps, working simultaneously at their respective constant rates, took exactly four hours to fill a certain swimming pool. If the constant rate of one pump was 1.5 times the constant rate of the other, how many hours would it have taken the faster pump to fill the pool if it had worked alone at it's constant rate?

A. 5
B. 16/3
C. 11/2
D. 6
E. 20/3

Work rate problems are my weakest area. For whatever reason I get mixed up on these problem. Even knowing the answer to this question I can't figure out how it comes out to that answer. Any help would be great, thanks!

Say the rate of the faster pump is x pool/hour, then the rate of the slower pump would be x/1.5=2x/3 pool/hour.

Since, the combined rate is 1/4 pool/hour, then we have that x+2x/3=1/4 --> x=3/20 pool hour.

The time is reciprocal of the rate, therefore it would take 20/3 hours the faster pump to fill the pool working alone.

Answer: E.


I'm having trouble seeing how you got x= 3/20 from x+2x = 1/4. Do you mind showing step by step? thank you!!

\(x+\frac{2x}{3}=\frac{1}{4}\);

\(\frac{3x+2x}{3}=\frac{1}{4}\);

\(\frac{5x}{3}=\frac{1}{4}\);

\(20x=3\);

\(x=\frac{3}{20}\).
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Hi All,

This is an example of a Work Formula question. Any time you have two entities (people, machines, water pumps, etc.) working on a job together, you can use the following formula:

(AB)/(A+B) = Total time to do the job together

Here, we're told that the total time = 4 hours and that one machine's rate is 1.5 times the other machine's rate…

If B = 1.5A then we have…

(A)(1.5A)/(A + 1.5A) = 4

1.5(A^2)/2.5A = 4

(3/2)(A^2) = 10A

A^2 = 20A/3

A = 20/3 hours to fill the pool alone

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I read quite a few solutions and they all have the following equation set up: 1/x+1/1.5x=1/4. But I have 1/x+1/1.5x=4. I don't understand why "x" is time. "x" to me is rate because the question states "constant rate of one pump was 1.5 times the constant rate of the other".

Can Bunuel or someone else please help? Thanks!
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I read quite a few solutions and they all have the following equation set up: 1/x+1/1.5x=1/4. But I have 1/x+1/1.5x=4. I don't understand why "x" is time. "x" to me is rate because the question states "constant rate of one pump was 1.5 times the constant rate of the other".

Can Bunuel or someone else please help? Thanks!

x is an unknown and you can denote by x either time or rate, it's your choice. Doesn't really matter.

If you say x is the rate, then you get: x + 2x/3 = 1/4. My solution here uses x as the rate: https://gmatclub.com/forum/two-water-pu ... l#p1245761

If you say x is the time, then you get: 1/x + 2/(3x) = 1/4.

In any case notice that we sum the rates.
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I read quite a few solutions and they all have the following equation set up: 1/x+1/1.5x=1/4. But I have 1/x+1/1.5x=4. I don't understand why "x" is time. "x" to me is rate because the question states "constant rate of one pump was 1.5 times the constant rate of the other".

Can Bunuel or someone else please help? Thanks!

x is an unknown and you can denote by x either time or rate, it's your choice. Doesn't really matter.

If you say x is the rate, then you get: x + 2x/3 = 1/4. My solution here uses x as the rate: https://gmatclub.com/forum/two-water-pu ... l#p1245761

If you say x is the time, then you get: 1/x + 2/(3x) = 1/4.

In any case notice that we sum the rates.

Thank you for your reply! Please bare with me as I am still trying to understand the problem. When you say "we sum rates", do you also imply that we cannot sum time? In my equation, I set x as rate. Then I thought 1/x must be time (work/rate=time). And based on that, I sum time to solve for x: 1/x+1/(1.5x)=4, time of the slow pump+time of the fast pump=total time. There must be something wrong with my logic here but I can't seem to figure it out.
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