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Hey,

can someone help me here please:

MGAT SC, chapter 6 - modifiers, problem #8

Problem:

People that are well-informed know that Bordeaux is a French region whose most famous export is the wine which bears its name.

Correction:

Well-informed people know that Bordeaux is a French region whose most famous export is the wine that bears its name.

I do get the corrections in the first part of the sentence, the only part I have problems with is the "...which bears its name". Can anybody explain to me why I can't use which here?

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we need to use THAT because this sentence does not make sense without the ending of "bear its name"

if we didnt need "bear its name" we could use which.

We dont know why well informed people know what the region is called what it is, without "bear its name" The wine and city have the same name.

Does that make sense?

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Rule:::

Always use that for essential phrases (The house that has been painted red , is mine)
use which for non essential phrases. (This house ,which i bought last year is a 3BHK)

Hope it helps further!!!

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Hey,

can someone help me here please:

MGAT SC, chapter 6 - modifiers, problem #8

Problem:

People that are well-informed know that Bordeaux is a French region whose most famous export is the wine [highlight]which[/highlight] bears its name.

Correction:

Well-informed people know that Bordeaux is a French region whose most famous export is the wine [highlight]that[/highlight] bears its name.

I do get the corrections in the first part of the sentence, the only part I have problems with is the "...which bears its name". Can anybody explain to me why I can't use which here?

Thanks in advance,

Andreas

which must used for non essential modifier and that must be used for essential modifiers if we see which in the sentence then there must be a comma before it to make it correct and if we see a which without a comma then in gmat it's always wrong and we must check that in the given sentence we should use essential modifier or non essential modifier so if we remove a non essential modifier then it should not change the meaning of the sentence if we remove the essential modifier then the meaning is changed so in the sentence above

People that are well-informed know that Bordeaux is a French region whose most famous export is the wine which bears its name.

we can avoid which for two reasons 1. we can't see a comma before which so we should not use which here and 2.if we remove which then we feel something must exist between wine and bears so if we feels like that we must insert that, which makes it correct.

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Hey guys,

Well-informed people know that Bordeaux is a French region whose most famous export is the wine that bears its name.

Do I understand right that the problem here is THE wine.
Because of "THE" we need additional essential clause which specify "THE wine" by "that bears its name".
What if we have just wine? Can I use "which" then?

Well-informed people know that Bordeaux is a French region whose most famous export is wine, which bears its name. ???

Please help!

Thanks,
Ekaterina.

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Hi. Why can't we write People who are well-informed?

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Hi. Why can't we write People who are well-informed?

Because it is wordy.

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Isn't "its" in the last part of the sentence referring to "wine" not the name of the city itself?
Can someone explain this?

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we can avoid which for two reasons 1. we can't see a comma before which so we should not use which here and 2.if we remove which then we feel something must exist between wine and bears so if we feels like that we must insert that, which makes it correct.

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Can someone help with the use of which vs that in this case.

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Can someone help with the use of which vs that in this case.

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I wouldn't worry about this too much. In the more recent official guides, GMAC lists "that/which" under a heading of "Some issues that are not tested."

But if you're one of those people who's so curious that you like to know stuff that isn't necessarily tested on the GMAT, here's a quick breakdown:

"That" is what's called an essential modifier. We need it to understand the noun it's describing. Here, have an example:

"Tim's daughter is afraid of dogs that bark."
In this case, "that bark" is describing the "dogs", and it's necessary to understand which population of dogs we're talking about. She isn't afraid of all dogs, just the subset of dogs that bark.

"Which" is a nonessential modifier. As the name implies, we don't need it. It just provides extra information. For example:

"Tim's daughter is afraid of dogs, which bark."
Now, "which bark" is extraneous information about dogs in general. In this example, Tim's daughter is afraid of all dogs, and the "which bark" is an unimportant piece of info about dogs. (Notice that the "which" is set off by a comma to help convey to the reader that it's not quite as crucial to the meaning.)

That's it. And again, while we've occasionally seen it crop up on old official questions, GMAC insists that you don't need to worry about it, so don't.

I hope that helps!

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