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Hi All,
This may seem like a very stupid question, but I'll post anyways since I can't find an answer anywhere.
I have been taught to solve equations such as: x^2 = 1 as such: x^2 = 1 x^2  1 = 0 (x1)(x+1) = 0 x=1 or 1
This method works for all quadratics, and is probably the quickest way to solve them.
Why is it that when we suddenly take out the "=" and replace it with either an > or < this method falls apart?
e.g. x^2 < 1 x^2  1 < 0 (x1)(x+1) < 0
x  1 < 0 > x < 1 (which is correct) but x + 1 < 0 > x < 1 (which is incorrect, should be x > 1)
solution should be: 1 < x < 1
I am aware of the wavy line method and graphical method to solve inequalities, but I'd really appreciate if someone could explain why the method outline above fails to work in these situations. I hypothesize that this method does not work because of having to consider that x could be positive or negative (much like the way absolute value equations are solved), but nonetheless, I await help from experts.
Thanks in advance.
P.S., this question actually came from a DS question:
Is x < 1?
1) x^2 < 1 2) x < 1/x
obviously, in this scenario, it is easy to see that x^2 = x and thus statement 1 is sufficient (and so is 2 btw). But after answering the question, I went back and played around with statement 1 and then came up with this problem.
edit: I think I may have posted this in the wrong place. If so, moderators could you please move to the appropriate section?



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30 Dec 2018, 03:08
Hi PierTotti17, I am not an expert but can I request you to go through Bunuel 's take on this chapter? https://gmatclub.com/forum/mathabsolut ... 86462.htmlAlso, this article https://gmatclub.com/forum/absolutemod ... l#p1622372 by chetan2u might also interest you. (< critical method here might help you)



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30 Dec 2018, 04:02
PierTotti17 wrote: Hi All,
This may seem like a very stupid question, but I'll post anyways since I can't find an answer anywhere.
I have been taught to solve equations such as: x^2 = 1 as such: x^2 = 1 x^2  1 = 0 (x1)(x+1) = 0 x=1 or 1
This method works for all quadratics, and is probably the quickest way to solve them.
Why is it that when we suddenly take out the "=" and replace it with either an > or < this method falls apart?
e.g. x^2 < 1 x^2  1 < 0 (x1)(x+1) < 0
x  1 < 0 > x < 1 (which is correct) but x + 1 < 0 > x < 1 (which is incorrect, should be x > 1)
solution should be: 1 < x < 1
I am aware of the wavy line method and graphical method to solve inequalities, but I'd really appreciate if someone could explain why the method outline above fails to work in these situations. I hypothesize that this method does not work because of having to consider that x could be positive or negative (much like the way absolute value equations are solved), but nonetheless, I await help from experts.
Thanks in advance.
P.S., this question actually came from a DS question:
Is x < 1?
1) x^2 < 1 2) x < 1/x
obviously, in this scenario, it is easy to see that x^2 = x and thus statement 1 is sufficient (and so is 2 btw). But after answering the question, I went back and played around with statement 1 and then came up with this problem.
edit: I think I may have posted this in the wrong place. If so, moderators could you please move to the appropriate section? Hi.. Why the below doesn't work.. x  1 < 0 > x < 1 (which is correct) but x + 1 < 0 > x < 1 (which is incorrect, should be x > 1) So you have (x1)(X+1)<0... So the product of x1 and X+1 is less than 0. THIS will happen if one is positive and other negative.. 1) say x1>0, then X+1<0.. x1>0 means X>1.. and X+1<0 means X<1.. There is no overlap in the region...we had taken X >1, so it cannot be <1. Hence eliminate this option. 2) x1<0 or X<1, then X+1>0..X>1.. So combined 1<X<1..
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30 Dec 2018, 04:20
chetan2u wrote: PierTotti17 wrote: Hi All,
This may seem like a very stupid question, but I'll post anyways since I can't find an answer anywhere.
I have been taught to solve equations such as: x^2 = 1 as such: x^2 = 1 x^2  1 = 0 (x1)(x+1) = 0 x=1 or 1
This method works for all quadratics, and is probably the quickest way to solve them.
Why is it that when we suddenly take out the "=" and replace it with either an > or < this method falls apart?
e.g. x^2 < 1 x^2  1 < 0 (x1)(x+1) < 0
x  1 < 0 > x < 1 (which is correct) but x + 1 < 0 > x < 1 (which is incorrect, should be x > 1)
solution should be: 1 < x < 1
I am aware of the wavy line method and graphical method to solve inequalities, but I'd really appreciate if someone could explain why the method outline above fails to work in these situations. I hypothesize that this method does not work because of having to consider that x could be positive or negative (much like the way absolute value equations are solved), but nonetheless, I await help from experts.
Thanks in advance.
P.S., this question actually came from a DS question:
Is x < 1?
1) x^2 < 1 2) x < 1/x
obviously, in this scenario, it is easy to see that x^2 = x and thus statement 1 is sufficient (and so is 2 btw). But after answering the question, I went back and played around with statement 1 and then came up with this problem.
edit: I think I may have posted this in the wrong place. If so, moderators could you please move to the appropriate section? Hi.. Why the below doesn't work.. x  1 < 0 > x < 1 (which is correct) but x + 1 < 0 > x < 1 (which is incorrect, should be x > 1) So you have (x1)(X+1)<0... So the product of x1 and X+1 is less than 0. THIS will happen if one is positive and other negative.. 1) say x1>0, then X+1<0.. x1>0 means X>1.. and X+1<0 means X<1.. There is no overlap in the region...we had taken X >1, so it cannot be <1. Hence eliminate this option. 2) x1<0 or X<1, then X+1>0..X>1.. So combined 1<X<1.. Thank you very much Chetan. I suspected that this was the case. It is frustrating that we cannot set each expression inside the brackets to < or > than 0 like we do with regular equations. Had the question been: x^2 > 1 would the approach still be valid? i.e. the solutions to x^2 > 1 is the opposite, either x > 1 or x < 1. x^21 > 0 (x1)(x+1) > 0 hence both positive or both negative say x1 is negative and x+1 is also negative. Then: x1 < 0 x<1 (wrong) and x+1<0 x<1 (right) or both are positive x1>0 x>1 (right) and x+1>0 x>1 (wrong) now do we combine these sets to get the combined range? Thanks again



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30 Dec 2018, 04:58
PierTotti17 wrote: chetan2u wrote: PierTotti17 wrote: Hi All,
This may seem like a very stupid question, but I'll post anyways since I can't find an answer anywhere.
I have been taught to solve equations such as: x^2 = 1 as such: x^2 = 1 x^2  1 = 0 (x1)(x+1) = 0 x=1 or 1
This method works for all quadratics, and is probably the quickest way to solve them.
Why is it that when we suddenly take out the "=" and replace it with either an > or < this method falls apart?
e.g. x^2 < 1 x^2  1 < 0 (x1)(x+1) < 0
x  1 < 0 > x < 1 (which is correct) but x + 1 < 0 > x < 1 (which is incorrect, should be x > 1)
solution should be: 1 < x < 1
I am aware of the wavy line method and graphical method to solve inequalities, but I'd really appreciate if someone could explain why the method outline above fails to work in these situations. I hypothesize that this method does not work because of having to consider that x could be positive or negative (much like the way absolute value equations are solved), but nonetheless, I await help from experts.
Thanks in advance.
P.S., this question actually came from a DS question:
Is x < 1?
1) x^2 < 1 2) x < 1/x
obviously, in this scenario, it is easy to see that x^2 = x and thus statement 1 is sufficient (and so is 2 btw). But after answering the question, I went back and played around with statement 1 and then came up with this problem.
edit: I think I may have posted this in the wrong place. If so, moderators could you please move to the appropriate section? Hi.. Why the below doesn't work.. x  1 < 0 > x < 1 (which is correct) but x + 1 < 0 > x < 1 (which is incorrect, should be x > 1) So you have (x1)(X+1)<0... So the product of x1 and X+1 is less than 0. THIS will happen if one is positive and other negative.. 1) say x1>0, then X+1<0.. x1>0 means X>1.. and X+1<0 means X<1.. There is no overlap in the region...we had taken X >1, so it cannot be <1. Hence eliminate this option. 2) x1<0 or X<1, then X+1>0..X>1.. So combined 1<X<1.. Thank you very much Chetan. I suspected that this was the case. It is frustrating that we cannot set each expression inside the brackets to < or > than 0 like we do with regular equations. Had the question been: x^2 > 1 would the approach still be valid? i.e. the solutions to x^2 > 1 is the opposite, either x > 1 or x < 1. x^21 > 0 (x1)(x+1) > 0 hence both positive or both negative say x1 is negative and x+1 is also negative. Then: x1 < 0 x<1 (wrong) and x+1<0 x<1 (right) or both are positive x1>0 x>1 (right) and x+1>0 x>1 (wrong) now do we combine these sets to get the combined range? Thanks again Yes.. Others simply \(x^2<1... Means ....X<1....1<X<1\) And \(x^2>1...X>1...X<1 .. and...X>1\)
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Great, thank you for the insight and for the prompt replies Chetan!!




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