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16 Jan 2013, 18:34
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Maybe its an omen or something, I read this in the morning (http://news.efinancialcareers.com/uk-en/131760/how-banking-can-ruin-your-body-and-mind/) and was immediately reminded why I had second thoughts about ibanking in the first place. Still can't get "moobs" out of my head. And lets not even go near ED.

So if you would like to indulge me again, any idea which of these schools would allow me to better explore a career in international/developmental finance? Read IFC, WB etc. Is distance to NY/Washington a factor here?

For non-traditional paths like that.. I think your best bet is talking to current students/alumni. I have to imagine, though, that both schools will do equally as well in that forum.

Indeed. I am definitely gonna talk to their "emerging market clubs" again (which from my pre-mba research I have found to be mostly dysfunctional at most lower ranked schools; Sloan with its SEID was an exception, and Wharton and Booth are of course at the top of the game with their specialized Lauder/IMBA programs)
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16 Jan 2013, 18:43
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Given your career goals, Tuck is definitely better. Darden is fine for regular bulge bracket banking, but it's weak in other areas of finance; its bread and butter has always been consulting. Although Tuck is also a general management focused school, it's remarkably strong in finance, and its network is amazing despite the small size. If you're VERY confident that those are your career goals, go to Tuck.

Also, Tuck has formal joint degree programs with harvard kennedy and johns hopkins sais. Given your goals, you should look into applying to those schools during your first year at Tuck.

I have never seriously considered the JD/MBA thing but let me explore this as well. Extra costs as well I imagine :\

Harvard kennedy and johns hopkins are policy programs, NOT law schools. You would get a master's, NOT a JD.
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16 Jan 2013, 18:50
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Sorry, I meant Joint degree (JD) as in MBA+MA. Does JD have different connotation as well in law?

Juris Doctor. Just as MDs are doctors, JDs are lawyers, and MBAs are crazies.
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16 Jan 2013, 23:31
Just chiming in. Don't complicate your decision making process. I think you're already sold on Tuck, so its more important that you visit Darden and see how you fit in there, fellowship or no fellowship.
I believe both Darden and Tuck are relatively unknown in Asia. Yes the Tuck alums are fantastic and Tuck is keen to expand its international clout but Darden is no less (based on my own research). So gather the info you need on the Darden network and the support they can offer you.

Personally, I love Tuck but I'd think hard about an equally great school that has shown so much interest in me.
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17 Jan 2013, 16:30
@LatAmMan that's an awfully helpful post there. Thnaks...

@LatAmMan, @Shawshank I understand I can apply to these joint degree program while still in year 1. What is the selectivity level of these MA/MPA type of courses at say Kennedy School or SAIS? Can a person with no related experience (as in my case) get into these programs based on pure interest?

On a separate note, was a little bummed to see that GS, JPM, Barclays, CS, Amex, BOA, hadn't hired a single international candidate from Darden last year (though DB, Citi, Fidelity, Jefferies and Nomura did). Even though I don't see myself going into ibanking right now, this data point is certainly not reassuring. Is it a matter of self-selection or am I missing something very basic here? Can somebody in the know chime in. Btw, Tuck doesn't break this information for internationals so no idea what's up with internationals there. I will also drop in a mail with the career services of both schools.
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Re: Tuck vs Darden ($$+chance at prestigious fellowship) [#permalink] ### Show Tags 17 Jan 2013, 17:53 1 This post received KUDOS Shawshank wrote: dan62287 wrote: What if the alternative to Darden was Wharton instead of Tuck? Just out of interest, how far up the list does everyone think you need to go to make it almost a "no-brainer"? Wharton/booth are complete no-brainers given the op's career goals (or most career goals in my opinion). Heck, i would turn down darden even if they offered me full tuition, room and board, and spending cash, for wharton/booth full-sticker. That's rather harsh Shawshank, even though there's a lot of truth in there. And in any case I gotta choose from what I have in hand right now. (Unless something extraordinary happens at Kellogg in R2). @Dan There's never a good answer to these questions. I tend to think of this in terms of value. A lot of it is perception. Look at that guy on qz.com (rightly pilloried on the other thread) who doesn't think getting an mba beyond the top-5 has any value at all. Do I agree with him? Of course not. But I cannot determine the value of an mba for him. So a lot of subjectivity comes into answering your question. Regardless, I am finding it extremely useful to see what other people's considerations are while making the decision. I don't find any opinion more legit than the other. In an ideal world I would have known where the opinionator (sorry nyt) is coming from so that I could understand their underlying reasoning better. Ultimately, for me its just a quest to estimate the value of both MBAs to me and find out if one a has greater marginal value (over the long run) than the price incremental. Sorry to go all philosophical on you But I won't chicken out and will still answer your question. I believe this would a close call for all schools from Columbia to Haas to Tuck. I am not thinking about this anymore till the Fellowship weekend now. I will give it my best shot and see from there. Meanwhile, I will continue to talk to alums from both schools to build a complete picture of what I will get into and what I will leave behind on the table. Senior Manager Joined: 24 Mar 2010 Posts: 347 Followers: 7 Kudos [?]: 111 [1] , given: 4 Re: Tuck vs Darden ($$$+chance at prestigious fellowship) [#permalink] ### Show Tags 17 Jan 2013, 20:47 1 This post received KUDOS joy4ol wrote: @LatAmMan that's an awfully helpful post there. Thnaks... @LatAmMan, @Shawshank I understand I can apply to these joint degree program while still in year 1. What is the selectivity level of these MA/MPA type of courses at say Kennedy School or SAIS? Can a person with no related experience (as in my case) get into these programs based on pure interest? On a separate note, was a little bummed to see that GS, JPM, Barclays, CS, Amex, BOA, hadn't hired a single international candidate from Darden last year (though DB, Citi, Fidelity, Jefferies and Nomura did). Even though I don't see myself going into ibanking right now, this data point is certainly not reassuring. Is it a matter of self-selection or am I missing something very basic here? Can somebody in the know chime in. Btw, Tuck doesn't break this information for internationals so no idea what's up with internationals there. I will also drop in a mail with the career services of both schools. Yes, you don't need to have public sector experience to apply to policy programs. Actually you would stand out given your private sector work. Apply to kennedy and sais since tuck has formal joint degrees with both programs. Avoid columbia sipa; it has a very weak career services, weak student body and is just a cash cow for columbia university. As I said before, darden makes little sense for your career goals. I'm NOT bashing darden by any means; it's a great general management program and for vast majority of people, darden will get them to where they need to be. In your case however, you should go to tuck. Or if you are willing to wait, strengthen your resume and re-apply to booth/sloan/wharton next year. But i'm guessing that you want to go this year. Senior Manager Joined: 24 Mar 2010 Posts: 347 Followers: 7 Kudos [?]: 111 [1] , given: 4 Re: Tuck vs Darden ($$+chance at prestigious fellowship) [#permalink] ### Show Tags 17 Jan 2013, 20:48 1 This post received KUDOS joy4ol wrote: Shawshank wrote: dan62287 wrote: What if the alternative to Darden was Wharton instead of Tuck? Just out of interest, how far up the list does everyone think you need to go to make it almost a "no-brainer"? Wharton/booth are complete no-brainers given the op's career goals (or most career goals in my opinion). Heck, i would turn down darden even if they offered me full tuition, room and board, and spending cash, for wharton/booth full-sticker. That's rather harsh Shawshank, even though there's a lot of truth in there. And in any case I gotta choose from what I have in hand right now. (Unless something extraordinary happens at Kellogg in R2). @Dan There's never a good answer to these questions. I tend to think of this in terms of value. A lot of it is perception. Look at that guy on qz.com (rightly pilloried on the other thread) who doesn't think getting an mba beyond the top-5 has any value at all. Do I agree with him? Of course not. But I cannot determine the value of an mba for him. So a lot of subjectivity comes into answering your question. Regardless, I am finding it extremely useful to see what other people's considerations are while making the decision. I don't find any opinion more legit than the other. In an ideal world I would have known where the opinionator (sorry nyt) is coming from so that I could understand their underlying reasoning better. Ultimately, for me its just a quest to estimate the value of both MBAs to me and find out if one a has greater marginal value (over the long run) than the price incremental. Sorry to go all philosophical on you But I won't chicken out and will still answer your question. I believe this would a close call for all schools from Columbia to Haas to Tuck. I am not thinking about this anymore till the Fellowship weekend now. I will give it my best shot and see from there. Meanwhile, I will continue to talk to alums from both schools to build a complete picture of what I will get into and what I will leave behind on the table. Just being honest. I'm a firm believer that you should go to the best b-school you get into, and especially given my career goals, darden just doesn't make sense, so yes, i would rather do wharton/booth full-sticker than darden jefferson fellowship. Of course, for others with different goals, they would pick differently. Re: Tuck vs Darden ($$$+chance at prestigious fellowship)   [#permalink] 17 Jan 2013, 20:48

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