Last visit was: 13 Dec 2024, 14:24 It is currently 13 Dec 2024, 14:24
Close
GMAT Club Daily Prep
Thank you for using the timer - this advanced tool can estimate your performance and suggest more practice questions. We have subscribed you to Daily Prep Questions via email.

Customized
for You

we will pick new questions that match your level based on your Timer History

Track
Your Progress

every week, we’ll send you an estimated GMAT score based on your performance

Practice
Pays

we will pick new questions that match your level based on your Timer History
Not interested in getting valuable practice questions and articles delivered to your email? No problem, unsubscribe here.
Close
Request Expert Reply
Confirm Cancel
User avatar
roygush
Joined: 01 Sep 2012
Last visit: 28 Jun 2015
Posts: 113
Own Kudos:
695
 []
Given Kudos: 19
3
Kudos
Add Kudos
31
Bookmarks
Bookmark this Post
Most Helpful Reply
User avatar
PrashantPonde
Joined: 27 Jun 2012
Last visit: 28 Nov 2024
Posts: 323
Own Kudos:
2,573
 []
Given Kudos: 185
Concentration: Strategy, Finance
Posts: 323
Kudos: 2,573
 []
8
Kudos
Add Kudos
2
Bookmarks
Bookmark this Post
General Discussion
User avatar
carcass
User avatar
Board of Directors
Joined: 01 Sep 2010
Last visit: 13 Dec 2024
Posts: 4,604
Own Kudos:
Given Kudos: 4,677
Posts: 4,604
Kudos: 34,757
Kudos
Add Kudos
Bookmarks
Bookmark this Post
User avatar
roygush
Joined: 01 Sep 2012
Last visit: 28 Jun 2015
Posts: 113
Own Kudos:
Given Kudos: 19
Kudos
Add Kudos
Bookmarks
Bookmark this Post
carcass
I'm not fully convinced about B. I picked A and of course is wrong.

After several reflections I'm still not convinced about the OA

Im not convinced either and ill tell you why.
It always happens to me in questions where the reasoning you need to choose is out of scope or doesnt hurt the argument.
Thats exactly whats going on here.
Naturally I want to choose something that does not weaken but not something that doesnt mean anything at all.
User avatar
PrashantPonde
Joined: 27 Jun 2012
Last visit: 28 Nov 2024
Posts: 323
Own Kudos:
Given Kudos: 185
Concentration: Strategy, Finance
Posts: 323
Kudos: 2,573
Kudos
Add Kudos
Bookmarks
Bookmark this Post
carcass
I'm not fully convinced about B. I picked A and of course is wrong.

After several reflections I'm still not convinced about the OA

Further explanation:-
This choice doesn't weaken or strengthen the conclusion, as the percentage of occupancy does not tell us anything about avg time of post surgical recovery. Author's reasoning is focused around decline in average time of recovery. Just the fact that "the occupancy is less than 30%" doesn't help us to evaluate whether the choice supports or weakens author's claim. The occupancy might have increased from 20% to 25% OR decreased from 25% to 10%. It can go either way, but still remain under 30%. Hence this is the correct for "Weaken EXCEPT" type answer.
User avatar
carcass
User avatar
Board of Directors
Joined: 01 Sep 2010
Last visit: 13 Dec 2024
Posts: 4,604
Own Kudos:
Given Kudos: 4,677
Posts: 4,604
Kudos: 34,757
Kudos
Add Kudos
Bookmarks
Bookmark this Post
A)Operative and post-operative mortality rates are the most accurate indicators of quality of medical care.
-- This choice weakens author's claim and states that operative/post-operative rates are most accurate indicators, NOT the recovery time.

so ?? our conclusion is

Clearly, the quality of operative and post-operative care is declining.



In weaken argument we have always something that explain another aspect related to the argument and ALWAYS out of scope in somehow. ALWAYS

here the only thing I read is .. rates are the most accurate indicators of quality of medical care, in which way ??

:roll:
User avatar
PrashantPonde
Joined: 27 Jun 2012
Last visit: 28 Nov 2024
Posts: 323
Own Kudos:
Given Kudos: 185
Concentration: Strategy, Finance
Posts: 323
Kudos: 2,573
Kudos
Add Kudos
Bookmarks
Bookmark this Post
carcass
A)Operative and post-operative mortality rates are the most accurate indicators of quality of medical care.
-- This choice weakens author's claim and states that operative/post-operative rates are most accurate indicators, NOT the recovery time.

so ?? our conclusion is

Clearly, the quality of operative and post-operative care is declining.



In weaken argument we have always something that explain another aspect related to the argument and ALWAYS out of scope in somehow. ALWAYS

here the only thing I read is .. rates are the most accurate indicators of quality of medical care, in which way ??

:roll:

Little correction to my explanation
(A) This choice weakens author's claim and states that operative/post-operative mortality rates are most accurate indicators, NOT the recovery time. This weakens author's claim because author is focusing on factors those may not be true indicators of quality.
User avatar
SVaidyaraman
Joined: 17 Dec 2012
Last visit: 20 Aug 2024
Posts: 581
Own Kudos:
1,643
 []
Given Kudos: 20
Location: India
Expert reply
Posts: 581
Kudos: 1,643
 []
1
Kudos
Add Kudos
Bookmarks
Bookmark this Post
roygush
Recent advances in surgical procedures have not decreased the average time for recovery from medical operations. Compared to ten years ago, the average post-operative hospital stay for patients undergoing surgery at the ten largest hospitals has actually increased by four days. Although mortality rates for operative procedures are much lower, patients are requiring more time to recover from these procedures. Clearly, the quality of operative and post-operative care is declining. The medical community should be very concerned about this grave problem.

All of the following, if true, weaken the argument above EXCEPT:

A)Operative and post-operative mortality rates are the most accurate indicators of quality of medical care.
B)Fewer than thirty percent of beds in the largest hospitals are occupied by patients recovering from surgery.
C)In the past ten years, innovations have allowed previously inoperable conditions to be treated successfully by major surgery.
D)Every year, many surgical procedures that previously required hospital stays are simplified enough that they can safely be performed in outpatient clinics.
E)Average surgical recovery time, measured by hospital stay plus time spent disabled from normal activities at home, has decreased by twelve percent in the last ten years.

Can someone explain his line of thinking approaching this question?
What I did, I was looking for the answers that would weaken the conclusion and deleted those.
still chose the wrong one.

Thanks

Premise of the argument: Average post-operative stay in hospitals is increasing
Conclusion: The quality of the operative and the post-operative care is declining.
Assumption:The period of post operative stay in the hospitals determines the quality of the operative and post-operative care

So anything that weakens the argument should weaken the premise, or weaken the assumption or show that the conclusion doesn't logically follow from the premise and the assumption.

Choice A weakens the assumption
Choice D and E weaken the premise

I know the answer is supposed to be B and it is ok but Choice C also doesn't weaken the argument as it doesn't weaken the premise or the assumption. It just says something contrary to the conclusion of the author.
User avatar
egmat
User avatar
e-GMAT Representative
Joined: 02 Nov 2011
Last visit: 13 Dec 2024
Posts: 4,507
Own Kudos:
31,795
 []
Given Kudos: 667
GMAT Date: 08-19-2020
Products:
Expert reply
Posts: 4,507
Kudos: 31,795
 []
1
Kudos
Add Kudos
Bookmarks
Bookmark this Post
SravnaTestPrep

I know the answer is supposed to be B and it is ok but Choice C also doesn't weaken the argument as it doesn't weaken the premise or the assumption. It just says something contrary to the conclusion of the author.

Just want to make a slight correction. (C) does weaken the conclusion. This is because if previously untreatable illnesses can be treated to major procedures then it is likely that these major procedures rather than a decline in the quality of post operative care is driving the increased post operative recovery time.

-Rajat
User avatar
mba1382
Joined: 14 Dec 2011
Last visit: 20 Aug 2017
Posts: 135
Own Kudos:
1,272
 []
Given Kudos: 172
GPA: 3.46
WE:Information Technology (Consulting)
Posts: 135
Kudos: 1,272
 []
1
Kudos
Add Kudos
2
Bookmarks
Bookmark this Post
Recent advances in surgical procedures have not decreased the average time for recovery from medical operations. Compared to ten years ago, the average post-operative hospital stay for patients undergoing surgery at the ten largest hospitals has actually increased by four days. Although mortality rates for operative procedures are much lower, patients are requiring more time to recover from these procedures. Clearly, the quality of operative and post-operative care is declining. The medical community should be very concerned about this grave problem.

All of the following, if true, weaken the argument above EXCEPT:

A. Operative and post-operative mortality rates are the most accurate indicators of quality of medical care.
B. Fewer than thirty percent of beds in the largest hospitals are occupied by patients recovering from surgery.
C. In the past ten years, innovations have allowed previously inoperable conditions to be treated successfully by major surgery.
D. Every year, many surgical procedures that previously required hospital stays are simplified enough that they can safely be performed in outpatient clinics.
E. Average surgical recovery time, measured by hospital stay plus time spent disabled from normal activities at home, has decreased by twelve percent in the last ten years.

I could not decide between B & E. For option E, OE provided by Kaplan is as below:

Choice (E): is out of scope and directly contradicts the author's main evidence.

My question is if E is out of scope, then it doesn't weaken the argument and therefore should be come under 'if true, weaken the argument above EXCEPT'.

Please help with your explanations.
User avatar
StormedBrain
Joined: 10 Aug 2013
Last visit: 17 Mar 2014
Posts: 14
Own Kudos:
22
 []
Given Kudos: 17
Posts: 14
Kudos: 22
 []
1
Kudos
Add Kudos
Bookmarks
Bookmark this Post
Ya E truly weakens the argument. It says...Average surgical recovery time, measured by hospital stay plus time spent disabled from normal activities at home, has decreased by twelve percent in the last ten years...

What it means? It means that previously patients had to rest at home for longer after surgery, but now they don't have to. It translates to the fact that quality of post surgical care has improved.

So ans should be B.

Posted from my mobile device
2
Kudos
Add Kudos
Bookmarks
Bookmark this Post
mba1382
Recent advances in surgical procedures have not decreased the average time for recovery from medical operations. Compared to ten years ago, the average post-operative hospital stay for patients undergoing surgery at the ten largest hospitals has actually increased by four days. Although mortality rates for operative procedures are much lower, patients are requiring more time to recover from these procedures. Clearly, the quality of operative and post-operative care is declining. The medical community should be very concerned about this grave problem.

All of the following, if true, weaken the argument above EXCEPT:

A. Operative and post-operative mortality rates are the most accurate indicators of quality of medical care.
B. Fewer than thirty percent of beds in the largest hospitals are occupied by patients recovering from surgery.
C. In the past ten years, innovations have allowed previously inoperable conditions to be treated successfully by major surgery.
D. Every year, many surgical procedures that previously required hospital stays are simplified enough that they can safely be performed in outpatient clinics.
E. Average surgical recovery time, measured by hospital stay plus time spent disabled from normal activities at home, has decreased by twelve percent in the last ten years.

I could not decide between B & E. For option E, OE provided by Kaplan is as below:

Choice (E): is out of scope and directly contradicts the author's main evidence.

My question is if E is out of scope, then it doesn't weaken the argument and therefore should be come under 'if true, weaken the argument above EXCEPT'.

Please help with your explanations.

Conclusion: Compared to ten years ago, the quality of operative and post-operative care is declining.

A: argument says mortality rates are lower and are most accurate indicators of quality of medical care. It means care is improving. ---- Weakens
C: Innovations allow previously inoperable conditions to be treated now. It means quality has improved. ----- Weakens
D: again complex surgical procedures are simplified to be carried out from clinics. Quality of medical care improved. ---- Weakens

E: Avg surgical recovery time (Time spent at hospital + Time spent disabled from doing normal activities at home) has decreased by 12%, implying that quality of medical care improved. ----- Weakens

Don't get bogged down by the info in the main arg that patients are taking longer time to recover at hospitals. Here, in this choice E, author introduces a new definition of avg recovery time, implying that the total recovery time has decreased over the past 10 years.

B: Fewer than 30% of beds are occupied in the largest hospitals by patients recovering from surgery CORRECT

Fewer than 30% of beds may be 1% or 29% - may turn out to be a negligible number or a significant number. We don't know.
User avatar
KapTeacherEli
User avatar
Kaplan GMAT Instructor
Joined: 25 Aug 2009
Last visit: 03 Oct 2013
Posts: 612
Own Kudos:
Given Kudos: 2
Location: Cambridge, MA
Expert reply
Posts: 612
Kudos: 661
Kudos
Add Kudos
Bookmarks
Bookmark this Post
Sounds like we made a typo in our explanation. Sorry for the inconvenience--I'll see about getting this fixed right away! Depending on where you found this problem, there should be an identification number at the bottom of the problem with instructions to forward questions to a Kaplan address--can you forward that ID number to my inbox?

Best,
User avatar
mba1382
Joined: 14 Dec 2011
Last visit: 20 Aug 2017
Posts: 135
Own Kudos:
Given Kudos: 172
GPA: 3.46
WE:Information Technology (Consulting)
Posts: 135
Kudos: 1,272
Kudos
Add Kudos
Bookmarks
Bookmark this Post
Thanks Eli for reaching out. :-)... I have sent a PM to you with ID of the question.

KapTeacherEli
Sounds like we made a typo in our explanation. Sorry for the inconvenience--I'll see about getting this fixed right away! Depending on where you found this problem, there should be an identification number at the bottom of the problem with instructions to forward questions to a Kaplan address--can you forward that ID number to my inbox?

Best,
User avatar
KapTeacherEli
User avatar
Kaplan GMAT Instructor
Joined: 25 Aug 2009
Last visit: 03 Oct 2013
Posts: 612
Own Kudos:
Given Kudos: 2
Location: Cambridge, MA
Expert reply
Posts: 612
Kudos: 661
Kudos
Add Kudos
Bookmarks
Bookmark this Post
mba1382
Thanks Eli for reaching out. :-)... I have sent a PM to you with ID of the question.

KapTeacherEli
Sounds like we made a typo in our explanation. Sorry for the inconvenience--I'll see about getting this fixed right away! Depending on where you found this problem, there should be an identification number at the bottom of the problem with instructions to forward questions to a Kaplan address--can you forward that ID number to my inbox?

Best,
I'm drafting a new explanation right now, it will be up in a few days. Thanks again for bringing this to our attention--we're always looking to improve our offerings!
avatar
SonofAnarchy
Joined: 26 Apr 2015
Last visit: 16 Apr 2016
Posts: 120
Own Kudos:
Given Kudos: 134
Posts: 120
Kudos: 10
Kudos
Add Kudos
Bookmarks
Bookmark this Post
What's wrong with choice C?
Its clearly out of scope and in such ques types, we usually go for the option that is irrelevant to the ques stem.
B gives us no comparison with the stats of a different time period, how can we judge that "fewer than 30%" is supposed to be a good performance level?
User avatar
cledgard
Joined: 05 Nov 2012
Last visit: 13 Dec 2024
Posts: 157
Own Kudos:
Given Kudos: 66
Status:GMAT Coach
Location: Peru
GPA: 3.98
Posts: 157
Kudos: 307
Kudos
Add Kudos
Bookmarks
Bookmark this Post
SonofAnarchy
What's wrong with choice C?
Its clearly out of scope and in such ques types, we usually go for the option that is irrelevant to the ques stem.
B gives us no comparison with the stats of a different time period, how can we judge that "fewer than 30%" is supposed to be a good performance level?

C)In the past ten years, innovations have allowed previously inoperable conditions to be treated successfully by major surgery.

The argument says: “the quality of operative and post-operative care is declining” because “patients are requiring more time to recover from these procedures.”

If we operate in cases in which we did not operate in the past, it would explain the increase in “the average post-operative hospital stay;” does this mean that quality is declining?

Choice C weakens the argument, by showing that quality should not be measured by recovery time alone.

B)Fewer than thirty percent of beds in the largest hospitals are occupied by patients recovering from surgery.

Choice B does not weaken nor supports the argument because occupation in large hospitals does not mean shorter or longer recovery time; similarly, occupation does not mean better or worse quality. So, choice B is irrelevant because it affects neither the premise, nor the conclusion.
User avatar
arpitkansal
Joined: 17 Jun 2018
Last visit: 23 Aug 2021
Posts: 42
Own Kudos:
Given Kudos: 478
Location: Canada
Schools: IMD '20
GMAT 1: 690 Q48 V36
GPA: 2.84
WE:Engineering (Real Estate)
Schools: IMD '20
GMAT 1: 690 Q48 V36
Posts: 42
Kudos: 39
Kudos
Add Kudos
Bookmarks
Bookmark this Post
KapTeacherEli
mba1382
Thanks Eli for reaching out. :-)... I have sent a PM to you with ID of the question.

KapTeacherEli
Sounds like we made a typo in our explanation. Sorry for the inconvenience--I'll see about getting this fixed right away! Depending on where you found this problem, there should be an identification number at the bottom of the problem with instructions to forward questions to a Kaplan address--can you forward that ID number to my inbox?

Best,
I'm drafting a new explanation right now, it will be up in a few days. Thanks again for bringing this to our attention--we're always looking to improve our offerings!


Can you explain why "A" is not the correct answer?
User avatar
Crytiocanalyst
Joined: 16 Jun 2021
Last visit: 27 May 2023
Posts: 965
Own Kudos:
Given Kudos: 309
Posts: 965
Kudos: 194
Kudos
Add Kudos
Bookmarks
Bookmark this Post
. Operative and post-operative mortality rates are the most accurate indicators of quality of medical care.
Since both the indicators are low hence it weakens

B. Fewer than thirty percent of beds in the largest hospitals are occupied by patients recovering from surgery.
We are not in aposition to determine whether it supports or weakens let us hang on to it

C. In the past ten years, innovations have allowed previously inoperable conditions to be treated successfully by major surgery.
This reduces the mortality hence definitely weakens

D. Every year, many surgical procedures that previously required hospital stays are simplified enough that they can safely be performed in outpatient clinics.
This also weakens as many operations are simplfies from precios operations

E. Average surgical recovery time, measured by hospital stay plus time spent disabled from normal activities at home, has decreased by twelve percent in the last ten years.
This also weakens therefore out
Hence IMO B
User avatar
VerbalBot
User avatar
Non-Human User
Joined: 01 Oct 2013
Last visit: 04 Jan 2021
Posts: 17,988
Own Kudos:
Posts: 17,988
Kudos: 902
Kudos
Add Kudos
Bookmarks
Bookmark this Post
Hello from the GMAT Club VerbalBot!

Thanks to another GMAT Club member, I have just discovered this valuable topic, yet it had no discussion for over a year. I am now bumping it up - doing my job. I think you may find it valuable (esp those replies with Kudos).

Want to see all other topics I dig out? Follow me (click follow button on profile). You will receive a summary of all topics I bump in your profile area as well as via email.
Moderators:
GMAT Club Verbal Expert
7156 posts
GMAT Club Verbal Expert
234 posts