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I believe the profile forum is post count limited... 50 or 100 posts I think.
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I have not tried using this funcionality yet, but I have a question before I do. What are the restrictions on adding friends, or foes? Can you add anyone to those lists, or do you need to have permission to add friends? What are the benefits of having a friend and foe list? Is there somewhere I can find this information and just haven't looked?
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based on what I figured out, you can add friends without permission. You'll get to see your friends' online/offline status in many different windows, and while PM-ing, you can add friends easily into your CC list.

As for foes, it will filter out posts from your foes so you won't have to read them. They can still PM you though.
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Whoops, I think the Profiles forum is accessible right now, just as accessible as the Wiki!
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Tino speaking for myself, I think that it should be slightly limited. Obviously it doesnt need to be as controlled as the essay forum. But I think that having some areas with some valuable insight and stuff available but requiring some participation to get into will serve two purposes. Reward those who do participate and not just read but also give those who post their profiles a sense of security.

Not sure on the limit, we could poll people who have profiles up there to see if they feel the same and if they would like a specific number of say 100 or 50 or whatever.
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How about letting Praet do a "holistic" evaluation before providing access rather than sticking to a min. number of posts. Cant believe I just said the H word.

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Not sure on the limit, we could poll people who have profiles up there to see if they feel the same and if they would like a specific number of say 100 or 50 or whatever.
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I am thinking along the same lines. I set up a group called 'Trusted Members' which people can request to join to be able to view the Member Profiles forum (yes, it is hidden now). I just wonder how can the existence of that forum (and that group) be communicated now. Any ideas?
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I am thinking along the same lines. I set up a group called 'Trusted Members' which people can request to join to be able to view the Member Profiles forum (yes, it is hidden now). I just wonder how can the existence of that forum (and that group) be communicated now. Any ideas?
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I'm not really sure how this forum should work, or how you term someone a "trusted member", but I think the member profile forum shouldn't just be for those with 500+ posts. I understand wanting to keep some information slightly private, but I also think sharing our stories of triumph and the thought processes we went through to reach our MBA goals should be shared with those still thinking about the MBA. Personally, I didn't write my story in my Member Profile just for those who are already inspired, but for those seeking information about whether its the right decision for them.

That's just my opinion. If the number of posts are too high many of us who do participate regularly still will be left out. Currently, I don't have access to that forum, and I have a profile there already. If anything, the forum should be viewable by everyone, but the ability to post should be limited. That's the direction I would go. Anyone else have thoughts?

P.S. This is being picky but this is the error I get when trying to go to the forum.
"You are not authorised to read this forum." Can we get the spelling corrected?
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Just a sec, emory, I'm surely giving YOU access to the forum :)
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Just a sec, emory, I'm surely giving YOU access to the forum :)
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Thank you. I wasn't trying to be a smart ass, so I hope I didn't come off that way. I appreciate all you've done to make GMATClub better.
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No no no, emoryhopeful, I appreciate your thoughtful comments and actually am going to post some smart ass comments myself. I am just trying to find time for that. Please forgive if my curt message sounded sarcastic, I was writing it in a hurry. See, when I realized some people wanted their profiles private when they are actually public, I started acting in emergency mode, trying to hide the forum as quickly as I can.
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I believe we need Praet to rule on this one. I think he originally set it at 50 posts, which prevents guests and random members from getting too much info from members with profiles who do not want the whole world to know their profile, but not high enough that valued members cannot see the forum and get inspired.

I believe that generally, after you go through your GMAT prep phase, you should have 50-100 good posts in the GMAT forum area to get access to the member profile area. The profile area is mainly there for people who are ready to do the applications after their GMAT. I remember when I was doing my GMAT, I would have no understanding of the profiles that other people post in accepted.com and ask Hjort. It was only when I started the app process that I could appreciate the profiles and stories of triumph better.

Personally, I'd like to keep my profile and stories "semi-private" for GMATClub members and not for everyone out there (including the Google Bot) to see.
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tino and others, this thread may help

103-t56242

it advertises the member profile forum for those people who want to ask for access, and that's where river suggested 50 posts and Praet implemented it.
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Gentlemen, I would love to set the access barrier at 50 or N posts but this seems to be a technical impossibility with the current software (PHPBB 3.0). So for now let access be restricted to a special group. Maybe tomorrow when my mind is clearer I will be able to put together a hack that auto-joins N+ posters to that group.
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I dont want to exclude people that dont post much but still put in good quality info when they are here. I also wouldnt want to punish someone for not finding this place soon. However, I think if we have hard post targets that might lead to a lot of people doing 1 word posts or like in some forums quoting people and thats it. I know there are people who post 75 times and every post is great and thoughtful...and then we get some startup's (some people will get that reference) who post tons of borderline offensive stuff and add no value.

I think that we could leave it to Prae or others to kind of be the guards at the gate so to speak. I think that its easy enough to find generic profiles for most everyone but I could see someone who is still waiting on decisions to have tons of details out there...like undergrad school, specific work, or anything like that.
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Praet has a lot on his plate already. How about any of the mods volunteering to oversee group join requests from new members? Maybe I am asking too much :roll:
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I dont mind doing it but cant guarantee a quick turnaround at times, especially next fall...right now no problem since i can check this place a lot but once I am in school I would probably pawn it off on someone else. I think if we had a few people it would be better, the only problem then is someone could ask all the mods, two could say no but one could say yes. Also as a mod not an admin, I think we try to be supportive and helpful and it might be a conflict of interest for people getting a PM and then having to be the "bad guy" and say no. I know all the mods try to be as helpful as they can and we dont want anyone to have a grudge cause we wouldnt let them join our little secret group.

If there was a way to have a click for a request, and several mods could look and make a decision anonymously then it might not be so bad. Even better if there were 5 mods with votes and you need at least 2 to get in or something.

Much like the essay vault, if you make it too exclusive it will never be useful because not enough people will put things in. If you make it too easy to get in people will be afraid of who has access to it. I thought the essay vault was a great idea but at the same time I have a lot of misgivings about posting any of mine there, I am sure thats common, same with profiles. I would rather offer them to people I know from on here than to put them up so anyone can see, even if it is based on posts. Someone could get 500 posts without ever providing any benefit to this place.

It would be great if the member profile board could be available for everyone but it could be up to each poster if they want their particular profile to be limited to people with special access as given by mods or admins. That way someone with 30 posts could put theirs up if they wanted or if someone doesnt care they could let anyone see it.
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Good. There are pros and cons on having automatic vs manual access grants. If there is a hard rule, say 50 posts, then nobody is to blame if you are denied access. On the other hand, there's no real guarantees that only responsible people will be let in.

For now, while we are debating this, I have set the forum up in such a way that it is visible to new users (they see the forum exists, and an explanation, with a link, about how to apply for access). Access is granted to Trusted Members.

Riverripper, you should now be able to administrate this group. Please note that this not an obligation, and the whole provision is temporary, until we find an adequate solution.
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Please also note that people who are ready to go public with the profiles can easily use the Wiki as described in, in my humble opinion it is a better tool for this job. So the forum only makes sense as a restricted access area really.

I'm afraid we did not pay much attention to privacy issues when choosing the software. Mediawiki is really insecure, there is simply no way to plug all the holes. If I knew it would matter, perhaps we would run MoinMoin. It is a bit hard to attempt a transition now.
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Another direction to go would be to emulate social network software like Facebook. Then we could make more sense out of the useless 'Friends' feature you might have noticed in the board. Imagine having some extended fields in your profile where you can tell your story, fields that would only be visible to 'Friends.'

Unfortunately this is not an option with this release of PHPBB, but I can put it together if it has value. Do you think it has?
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