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Can someone clarify this in the passage?

As far as I understood,
Subjectivists = philosophers
Objectivists = scientists

But why the passage begins with
"Some of the philosophers find the traditional, subjective approach to studying the mind outdated and ineffectual." ?

Don't philosophers favour the subjective approach?
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Thanks for the question Sajjad1994. Just an observation, I got confused because the last question refers to an example given in the fourth paragraph, but the way the lecture is laid out makes one think that the fourth paragraph is the last one. This made me waste a lot of time trying to make sense of the question.
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giovannisumano wrote:
Thanks for the question Sajjad1994. Just an observation, I got confused because the last question refers to an example given in the fourth paragraph, but the way the lecture is laid out makes one think that the fourth paragraph is the last one. This made me waste a lot of time trying to make sense of the question.


You are right! A one line space was required to be put in between 2nd and 3rd paragraph which i have edited accordingly, this passage has five paragraphs.

Thank you!
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Can someone please help with OA for Q6
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Can someone please help with OA for Q6


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6. The author characterizes certain philosophers as “loyal to subjectivity” (line 20) for each of the following reasons EXCEPT:

Difficulty Level: 700

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Philosophers who are “loyal to subjectivity” are the topic of paragraph 2, so it’s there that we should search for this Detail question’s answer—or, rather, its four wrong answers, because four of the choices are cited as reasons for taking the subjectivist line. A good approach is to read (or re-read) the paragraph in question once, and even twice and then skim through the choices in search of one, any one, that matches up with what you’ve just read. In this way you can whittle away the more obvious choices, and be left with two or three from which you can pick the “winner.”

The first sentence of paragraph 2 indicates that subjectivists do not defer to “science” (read: objectivism) when it conflicts with their introspective data, which is what (B) is saying. Then, we hear that “knowledge relies [our emphasis] on” subjective experience; well, “relies” connotes a necessary condition, so (C) is confirmed. And what is subjective experience but the experience (as described in lines 3–5, for instance) of a single individual?—which is what (E) is saying.

The paragraph ends with the sentiment that subjectivists dislike the restriction of data in which objectivists indulge, which is (D). The last one standing is (A)……and truth be told, (A) might have jumped out at you the moment you saw it. To be sure, subjectivists rely on subjective data. But nowhere is it implied that they are so pigheadedly doctrinaire as to apply it in all circumstances. Certainly the circumstances described in (A), cited earlier in lines 11–12, are hard data, but there’s no reason to believe that subjectivists eschew all hard data. (Remember, the subjectivists are accusing their opponents of limiting their data; they would hardly indulge in a similar limitation.) So (A) is not at all associated with the subjectivists in this passage.

Answer: A


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Really close call between A and B of question 4. However, I chose the wrong one, A. Could someone please elaborate to help understand it better.
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It's hard for me to choose the right answer here, because philosophy is a very complex subject. I have been studying what philosophers do for a long time, I use https://gradesfixer.com/free-essay-examples/philosophers/ for more in-depth study. I have read a lot of essays on philosophers, I can say that everyone thinks differently. Since everyone chooses a philosophy for himself..
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Can anyone explain why option B is correct for the Q4
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Can anyone explain why option B is correct for Q4
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aashish124 wrote:
Can anyone explain why option B is correct for Q4


I find a useful exercise, when I'm uncertain why a right answer is right or a wrong answer is wrong, is to consider the question on its own, without thinking about what the passage says. So let's do that with Q4:

Quote:
4. According to the passage, subjectivists advance which one of the following claims to support their charge that objectivism is faulty?

(A) Objectivism rests on evidence that conflicts with the data of introspection.
(B) Objectivism restricts the kinds of experience from which philosophers may draw knowledge.
(C) Objectivism relies on data that can be described and interpreted only by scientific specialists.
(D) Objectivism provides no context in which to view scientific data as relevant to philosophical questions.
(E) Objectivism concerns itself with questions that have not traditionally been part of philosophical inquiry.


Then--again, keeping the passage completely out of mind--I ask myself "What would a passage need to say in order for me to confidently choose an answer?"

Looking at B, to choose that answer as the answer to a question about how subjectivists claim objectivism is faulty, I pick the sentence apart. "Objectivism restricts"--okay, so this means Objectivism restrains, or keeps back, or limits in some way. What does B say Objectivism 'limits'?

It limits certain kinds of experience. So in B, there are certain kinds of experience that Objectivism limits. What kinds of experience? The kind that lets philosopher draw knowledge. Meaning--the kind that lets philosopher *know* something.

So to choose B, the passage needs to express or imply the idea that the Objectivists limit the kinds of experience that help philosophers know things. Can I find that idea in the passage? Well I look the the paragraph that lays out the subjectivists' main criticism of objectivism:

Quote:
But philosophers loyal to subjectivity are not
persuaded by appeals to science when such appeals
conflict with the data gathered by introspection.
Knowledge, they argue, relies on the data of
experience, which includes subjective experience. Why
should philosophy ally itself with scientists who would
reduce the sources of knowledge to only those data that
can be discerned objectively?


The sentence "Why should philosophy ally itself with scientists who would reduce the sources of knowledge to only those data that can be discerned objectively?" seems to match. The scientists (objectivists) would reduce (limit) the sources of knowledge (the experiences that let people know things). That's a good match.
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