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List as per my study. Also in decreasing order or preference for 5+ years level 1: ISB, (A, B, C), K Level 2: L, SPJ, XLRI, I, MDI, S, VLFM, VLM, U-GSCM,U-DEM Level 3: IMT, IMI

mechabhi2692 hey please make a new list with XIMB, SOIL, Great Lakes(Chennai and Gurgaon) also included so that we have all the options.... also add SP Jains GMP somewhere. Thanks

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Which IIMs would you guys recommend for 1 year MBA? I feel like IIM A,B,C are beyond my league because of my past academic record 10th - 79.8%, 12th - 78.2% and UG - 69.3% Even though I have 7 years experience in real estate/infrastructure, my academic record might hamper my chances at A,B,C Posted from my mobile device

waliaankit94, SPJIMR is much more academic oriented than IIMs as they give admits to achievers only including academic achievers. So if its regarding your academics then getting an admit to SPJIMR is much tougher I guess than IIMs.

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mechabhi2692 hey please make a new list with XIMB, SOIL, Great Lakes(Chennai and Gurgaon) also included so that we have all the options.... also add SP Jains GMP somewhere. Thanks

Ximb, soil, GL, MU, bitsom are 1 yr program but only 5-10% cohort beyond 5+ exp

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Ximb, soil, GL, MU, bitsom are 1 yr program but only 5-10% cohort beyond 5+ exp

BITSOM is two year MBA i think?

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List as per my study. Also in decreasing order or preference for 5+ years level 1: ISB, (A, B, C), K Level 2: L, SPJ, XLRI, I, MDI, S, VLFM, VLM, U-GSCM,U-DEM Level 3: IMT, IMI

mechabhi2692 hey please make a new list with XIMB, SOIL, Great Lakes(Chennai and Gurgaon) also included so that we have all the options.... also add SP Jains GMP somewhere. Thanks

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So you would recommend applying with my academic record to A,B,C or should I look out for other IIMs?

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Building on this legacy, BITSoM offers a two-year full-time residential MBA programme with a future-ready curriculum and a transformative experience that will prepare students to be lifelong learners and thrive in an ever-changing business landscape.

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So you would recommend applying with my academic record to A,B,C or should I look out for other IIMs?

waliaankit94 apply to SPJIMR and institutes ranked higher like ISB IIMs ABC and also to insitutes ranked lower like IMT IMI GL MU for having as many options if in worst case scenario there is no admits from SPJIMR and higher ranking institutes

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Which IIMs would you guys recommend for 1 year MBA?

I feel like IIM A,B,C are beyond my league because of my past academic record

10th - 79.8%, 12th - 78.2% and UG - 69.3%
Even though I have 7 years experience in real estate/infrastructure, my academic record might hamper my chances at A,B,C

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List as per my study. Also in decreasing order or preference for 5+ years level 1: ISB, (A, B, C), K Level 2: L, SPJ, XLRI, I, MDI, S, VLFM, VLM, U-GSCM,U-DEM Level 3: IMT, IMI

mechabhi2692 hey please make a new list with XIMB, SOIL, Great Lakes(Chennai and Gurgaon) also included so that we have all the options.... also add SP Jains GMP somewhere. Thanks

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All these you mentioned will be in level 3. Gmp is different altogether would not be wise to compete with other. Avoid soil for 1 year. XIMB don't provide placement support for 1 year, though students approach companies separately with minimal college support , you can connect with alumini to know more.
For GL pgpm Chennai have mixed review can be in level 2 post udaipur

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It never hurts to try (you never know) Well keep I, L, S in your bucket list

mechabhi2692 waliaankit94 yes apply to as many for maximum options

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All these you mentioned will be in level 3. Gmp is different altogether would not be wise to compete with other. Avoid soil for 1 year For GL pgpm Chennai have mixed review can be in level 2 post udaipur

the average package of Masters Union is 33.10 LPA and only IIM A ISB and IIM C are ahead of MU while IIM B is behind MU with 31.60 LPA so should it not be in Tier 1 just because of its placements which is 1.5 times of SPJIMR in average placements?

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It never hurts to try (you never know) Well keep I, L, S in your bucket list

mechabhi2692 waliaankit94 yes apply to as many for maximum options

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Masters union definetly has better placements and in line with tier 1 colleges as per their placement report. Infact, top 3 consulting firms visited there, which is such a great achievement. But it lacks one thing that is legacy, and also it's not a recognized degree. so yes if you are rating as per placements only, then it will be in tier 1. But lot of people are sceptical(including me) about it's long term value.

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Masters union definetly has better placements and in line with tier 1 colleges as per their placement report. Infact, top 3 consulting firms visited their which is such a great achievement. But it lacks one thing that is legacy, and also it’s not a recognized degree. so yes if you are rating as per placements only, then it will be in tier 1. But lot of people are sceptical(including me) about it’s long term value. Posted from my mobile device

mechabhi2692 ISB is also not recognized right? at the end of the day its a better career and higher pay is what most want so would be it be a bad option keeping the legacy aside? Also its placements are way better than SPJIMR so wouldn’t the salary matter at the end of the day practically speaking and also as you said top 3 consulting firms visited MU and they dont visit SPJIMR for the PGPM program. So what do you suggest?

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Isb is now recognized, check their website. And you are looking at short term prospect of a degree. What if I am getting high pay jobs only after my degree but when I am trying switching or trying to climb the corporate ladder I am not given equal preference to other college alums. Whom by the way have their preference since some of their alums would be sitting in higher managerial position. So legacy and brand reputation matters.

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Isb is now recognized, check their website. And you are looking at short term prospect of a degree. What if I am getting high pay jobs only after my degree but when I am trying switching or trying to climb the corporate ladder I am not given equal preference to other other college alums. Whom by the way have their preference since some of their alums would be sitting in high managerial position.

mechabhi2692 thats not true as many get into Consulting roles even without an MBA and right after their BTech in placements and are doing great

also for example in SPJIMR we would not even get that opportunity to be placed in Top 3 at the first place as they dont visit SPJIMR

atleast people there are getting that oppurtunity which they would not have ever got in SPJIMR right?

promotions and appraisals are mostly based on the performance of the employee after placements in most cases so I dont think the degree would matter. Being from an IIM does get you in Top 3 consulting but once you are in then only the performance would matter.

why would any company not give the managerial position to the better performing candidate? i mean at the end of the day all they want is profit right? so it wont make sense if they ignore/overlook the most important factor in promoting someone to the managerial position which is "Performance" and just see the degree

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Isb is now recognized, check their website. And you are looking at short term prospect of a degree. What if I am getting high pay jobs only after my degree but when I am trying switching or trying to climb the corporate ladder I am not given equal preference to other other college alums. Whom by the way have their preference since some of their alums would be sitting in high managerial position.

People are doing all sorts of things without degree. That should have void the need of any degree at first place. Alumini network is not something I am getting from MU. But as you know in mba alumini network is one of the biggest factor to consider. I am not against master's union. But I am unsure as It's a new college under the umbrella of lovely professional university and does heavy branding. It does not even have a proper campus and currently operating in an office floor of gurgaon. So I think it still has not yet established itself as a brand which is self explanatory like other already existing institutions. And when I do an MBA I want to have myself associated with a brand a cult you can say, an alumini network which can help me in my growth. So mu is currently not my preference due to this.

For your next question it's not like you will do nothing and get promoted inspite of being from isb. Talent is important no doubt but at this point look at this, everyone is competitive and everyone is highly replaceable. And only if organizations were so transparent to recognize and reward talent without having politics and bias in between the world would have been a better place.
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mechabhi2692 saying without degree si too far fetched. I was speaking realistically like many BTech/Mtech grads who are in Consulting or many MIM grads too. MU has a proper campus with auditoriums etc .... its available on Youtube. Even ISb has been recently accredited and people pursued thei education from ISB even when it was not and also it was fairly new and the most expensive one ever in India.

as Consulting is not my goal so MU is not my preference either. Had it been Product Management i would have atleast applied.

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It's not far fetched, you need to be an exception/ an outlier to achieve something in life.
Engineers are everywhere and you will find so many prople in project management, supply chain etc who has no formal mba. They are later provided an option by their organization to pursue mba alongside or they do executive MBA.

And for masters union there is no right or wrong. Maybe I am wrong, maybe you are wrong. Again, isb success doesn't guarantee MU success. I am not labelling mu as a bas institute, definetly not. But I am sceptical. Only time can tell what was right. So if you are lucky it would be a brand otherwise not.

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It’s not far fetched, you need to be an exception/ an outlier to achieve something in life. Engineers are everywhere and you will find so many prople in project management, supply chain etc who has no formal mba. They are later provided an option by their organization to pursue mba alongside or they do executive MBA. And for masters union there is no right or wrong. Maybe I am wrong, maybe you are wrong. Again, isb success doesn’t guarantee MU success. I am not labelling mu as a bas institute, definetly not. But I am sceptical. Only time can tell what was right. So if you are lucky it would be a brand otherwise not.

mechabhi2692 the biggest reason ISB became a brand initially was its really good placements and also the shorter one year MBA and not having to sit for CAT competing with too many applicants. So people followed the money that is the placements back then. The first batch passed in 2002 and sharp people like Ankur Warikoo joined ISB in 2005 even when ISB had the highest fees and well established brands like XLRI were available. So basically my point is that I see a similarity. MU started in 2020 and in 2023 it has beaten most of the best.

I also wanted to ask one question. Why do the top 3 Consulting firms visit MU to hire their students? you made a point regarding promotions to managerial so why would those same companies go to hire them and not to other established brands with a better alumni network? Why would these top companies take a wrong decision?

I mean most of the top people at those firms must be from IIMs so why would they not go to IIMs Indore Lucknow Shillong and go to MU? How and why is the alumin factor not working here?

some insights with data and facts would be highly appreciated

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Hope that be the case with mu also. But other factor for isb success was global mba model, 1 year mba was not exclusive to isb, mdi and few other good institutions were already running 1 year program, but they lack in terms of curriculum compared to isb. It was established by former top b school professors, Wharton I guess. Let's see how mu is able to utilize the Early days success similar to isb.
And mu campus currently is a rented office space in same building as McKinsey’s, bain and few other companies so nice strategic location and maybe the Audi is also shared with these corporates similar to their cafeteria. But that's not a big deal I guess.

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but why is MU doing so well exceptionally and Top 3 consulting firms going there and not to other IIMs apart from ABC?

i mean alumnis from IIM LIKS eventually make it to Top 3 consulting firms and so why not help out their own like going into IIms LIKS instead of MU?

How and why is the alumni factor as you pointed out not working here?

I am sure that the top positions are also held by IIM grads also from LIKS apart from ABC

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Alumini factor is there but again those alumini are mostly 2 year mba students and they come to hire only two year students only at these legacy institutions. They have nothing to do with these 1 year programs.
Reasons could be many, though I am not sure.
a. They are in same building so maybe it was easy for them to get interview scheduled.
b. They got really good batch of students. I found many iitians in their first batch.
c. Legacy institutes don't try to promote 1 year mba like they do for 2 year mba. Even 2 year students don't consider 1 year students as their alumini (harsh but true). For legacy institutes their 2 year program is priority and maybe these firms are more held up to hire those fellas.
d. And maybe there is something really unique about masters union that I am unaware of.