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Apologies for a repetitive topic - I know there are a few of these around here but I can't really help it - just came back from the centre with an abysmal 570. I'm a lurker of GMATClub but I'd like to think that becoming more involved with the forum will help me, as it has been the case with many other successful people on here. (By the way thanks to the amazing people of GMATClub so far!)

Background

Started my GMAT journey around late June, early July 2017. I'm in my final year of engineering school at one of the top 10 in the world. I'm looking to apply for HBS 2+2 and GSB (R3 now since my inevitable screw up at the GMAT). I'm from the UK however have had several internships, the main one being in the Silicon Valley at a tech company for a year (took a gap year between my junior and senior year).

The Prep

My first score was GMATPrep1 550 Q42 V24, pretty much blind, no idea of the format, wasn't even using a notepad while I did the entire test.
Decided to buy MGMAT SC, the OG17 guides and got to it. Summer happened, so while I was going through some questions it was all pretty much sporadic until about mid-October, when I took the same paper again GMATPrep 1, since I felt like I had forgotten pretty much everything.

GMATPrep1 Attempt 2: Oct 25th - 660 Q48, V33. Hurray - Massive improvement, but over, what, 3 months? Really hard to quantify it but I effectively studied for about 6 weeks to go from 550 -> 660. Albeit same paper, so my unconscious part of the brain may have picked a few repetitive questions that I consciously found were new, but still it was a massive boost.

Then big mistake. I decided to book my GMAT exam for 21st Nov (i.e. today). I thought that I could go from a V33 to V40 in about 4 weeks. Massive assumption - I've done in the past so why can't I do it again (CR hitting me right there).

Obviously I'm still at uni so have my ongoing uni stuff along with GMAT studies but that's no excuse I know since there are people with actual full-time jobs that manage to discipline themselves to do the GMAT and get 750.

I practised and practised but I just was not breaking the 700 mark.
GMATPrep2 - Nov 8 - 640, Q49, V29.

Meanwhile I bought MGMAT CR and finished the book in like a day or two, took the MGMAT CAT1 - 640. And I was just hovering around the mid 600s mark.

About ten days left until the D-day... panic starting to set in, although I'm trying to not let it get to me. I'm just revising mainly CR since my SC is around 35 at this stage, RC is about 33 but my CR is hovering mid 20s.

It all probably sounds like I'm doomed to fail, or at least know that I'm not going to break the 700 mark. I felt like I was just missing a few techniques that are critical to breaking that 700 in the CR section so I used a bit of EmpowerGMAT to help me, (their free trial for 3 days), which really helped my CR to think in a different way. Still it wasn't enough to break the 90% in Verbal.

The final week

Last 7 days before the GMAT proper, I probably took 4-5 CATs. All the GMAT veterans are probably thinking 'WHY YOU FOOL, WHY?!?!?!' I guess I'm just determined and I don't let anything get in the way of myself and naturally I've been the kinda guy who doesn't let pressure get to him, but there was one thing that I underestimated = burnout.
I did 3 exams in the last 3 days before the GMAT and my scores went from 640 all the way down to 600. So no surprises there huh? In fact, my GMAT ability is following the trend with a 570. :lol:

I need help now

So here is where I stand. I got a Q45 and V23 = 570. Literally back to the starting position all the months ago before Summer. I still believe that this was due to burnout and my actual ability is around 650 mark. My intention was to apply for GSB in R2 but that's not going to happen so I'm thinking of retaking the GMAT around early January. I'm only going to book my exam after I know my scores are in the mid 700s range, since that is still my target = 750. Even more so now, since I probably would have settled for a high 600 score, but now that I'm giving myself time I'd like to go far and beyond. So I'm aiming for ~100 point improvement and I think the main issue at hand is improving that V23 (in reality probably around V32) up to V44-45 and my Q45 to Q49-50.

Any suggestions? I have the PowerScore bible which I will now start reading, I have the MGMAT SC and CR books, OG17 guides, Exam Packs1+2, QP1, and all the MGMAT CATs. I have all the resources, I just need a plan. Alas, I guess that just comes down to me managing properly, but I guess I'm just writing this long post to connect with people that have had similar stories as I have had from whom I can gather some inspiration from.


Thanks a lot for reading my long post!

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stickman - I am sorry that you were unable to do well on the GMAT. I understand your frustration of not having been able to score high despite putting in the hard work. We have a webinar this weekend to help people improve from low GMAT scores. I would recommend that you attend the same. Click here to register for the same.

Also take a look at an article that I co-authored some time back to see if any of these traits resonate with you.

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Hi stickman,

Sorry about your score. The GMAT score could be effected by many external factors, such as the mental health, the noisy sound at the test center, and internal factors, such as your real abilities. I think that you have lost your score in some sections. So I suggest that you order ESR file to know more what happened on your test day.

Next, I suggest you practice harder. Here is some common advice that I get from many people with GMAT 700+ have shared:

RC: Practice reading everyday. Try to read as much as you can. Improving your reading skill is the best way to improve your RC score.

SC & CR: Read Manhattan SC guide at least twice. Practice OG questions and other high-quality questions only. You could re-practice OG questions to understand the logic behind those questions.

You may find these posts useful
https://gmatclub.com/forum/my-road-to-a ... 53936.html
https://gmatclub.com/forum/from-680-to-227741.html

After all, in case that you still get stuck with Verbal, you could purchase an online course so the tutor could help you improve your weakness.
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stickman, sorry to hear the bad news. And thank you for such a lively debrief -- it's awesome to see that you still have a lot of spirit, even after a not-so-enjoyable day.

The thing that jumps out at me -- loudly -- is just the issue of burnout and a lack of consistency. As I'm sure you know, the GMAT is an adaptive test, which means that the thing will absolutely eat you for breakfast if you miss easy questions that you're capable of getting right. And it doesn't take many of those avoidable errors to completely ruin your day. You can miss as many hard questions as you want, but if you miss stuff that's easy for you, you're toast in a big hurry.

If the GMAT were willing to show you exactly which questions you missed, I can promise that you'd roll your eyes at at least a half-dozen, maybe more like a dozen. So sure, it's always good to raise your "score ceiling" by improving your skills, but the most important thing is to become mind-numbingly consistent in your approach to everything so that you don't miss the cupcakes.

I don't think that this article will blow your mind, but it might help you think a little bit about what happened, and how to move forward: https://gmatclub.com/forum/experts-topi ... 46658.html

Good luck with your retake, and please let me know how it goes! I'll keep an eye out for the next debrief. :)
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stickman - I am sorry that you were unable to do well on the GMAT. I understand your frustration of not having been able to score high despite putting in the hard work. We have a webinar this weekend to help people improve from low GMAT scores. I would recommend that you attend the same.
Also take a look at an article that I co-authored some time back to see if any of these traits resonate with you.


Regards,

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Thanks Rajat. I do remember watching a couple of your helpful webinars. Will continue to do so. :)

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Hi stickman,

Sorry about your score. The GMAT score could be effected by many external factors, such as the mental health, the noisy sound at the test center, and internal factors, such as your real abilities. I think that you have lost your score in some sections. So I suggest that you order ESR file to know more what happened on your test day.

Next, I suggest you practice harder. Here is some common advice that I get from many people with GMAT 700+ have shared:

RC: Practice reading everyday. Try to read as much as you can. Improving your reading skill is the best way to improve your RC score.

SC & CR: Read Manhattan SC guide at least twice. Practice OG questions and other high-quality questions only. You could re-practice OG questions to understand the logic behind those questions.

You may find these posts useful
https://gmatclub.com/forum/my-road-to-a ... 53936.html
https://gmatclub.com/forum/from-680-to-227741.html

After all, in case that you still get stuck with Verbal, you could purchase an online course so the tutor could help you improve your weakness.



Cheers broall . Your LSAT type questions have been pretty useful - but yes I guess it's good to go back to the basics and go back to the OG questions. The trouble is I've pretty much exhausted all of the OG17 questions from both V and Q and the main OG. Shall I still re-do them or will it affect my pre-thinking?

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broall wrote:
Hi stickman,

Sorry about your score. The GMAT score could be effected by many external factors, such as the mental health, the noisy sound at the test center, and internal factors, such as your real abilities. I think that you have lost your score in some sections. So I suggest that you order ESR file to know more what happened on your test day.

Next, I suggest you practice harder. Here is some common advice that I get from many people with GMAT 700+ have shared:

RC: Practice reading everyday. Try to read as much as you can. Improving your reading skill is the best way to improve your RC score.

SC & CR: Read Manhattan SC guide at least twice. Practice OG questions and other high-quality questions only. You could re-practice OG questions to understand the logic behind those questions.

You may find these posts useful
https://gmatclub.com/forum/my-road-to-a ... 53936.html
https://gmatclub.com/forum/from-680-to-227741.html

After all, in case that you still get stuck with Verbal, you could purchase an online course so the tutor could help you improve your weakness.



Cheers broall . Your LSAT type questions have been pretty useful - but yes I guess it's good to go back to the basics and go back to the OG questions. The trouble is I've pretty much exhausted all of the OG17 questions from both V and Q and the main OG. Shall I still re-do them or will it affect my pre-thinking?


No problem. You could practice OG questions from other versions. Check this list for more:
https://gmatclub.com/forum/gmac-officia ... 28566.html

My friends who have scored 700+ said that they often practiced OG questions at least twice. The first time is to get farmiliar with the concept, the next time is to understand the logic.

If you re-do an OG question, you could still remember the OA of that question so you could quickly come to the correct OA. However, you should pay some time to read every choice and try to understand why 4 wrong choices are incorrect. After that, try to understand why the OA is correct.

Or you could be familiar with the logic of some areas in CR sections. Thus, you could make pre-thinking what the question is trying to say. After reading stem question, try to pre-think the solution before reading any answer choice.
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GMATNinja - thank you!

You're one of the members whose explanations I can completely understand when going through questions on GMATClub - vital source of info!

As broall suggested, I think I'll go through the OG questions again all of them and try and do them as if I'm looking at the first time. Is there much point going through new resources right now, or just re-do the stuff I've already done so far? I don't want to build a false sense of ability improvement by doing them again, but I guess it's good to go back to the drawing board? I've also used my GMATprep exams (all 6 of them) but they were all pretty much low 600s score, so I'll only attempt them again when I feel more confident of going 700+. Still have about 3-4 MGMAT CATs left.

I will surely post a (hopefully massive improvement) debrief!

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Received my ESR.

Quite shocking with regards to my CR ability. Attached. :dazed

I guess my next question is: did my poor ability in CR limit my ability to get harder questions in CR/RC ? Is it adaptive so much so that all 3 need to be in form?
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Received my ESR.

Quite shocking with regards to my CR ability. Attached. :dazed

I guess my next question is: did my poor ability in CR limit my ability to get harder questions in CR/RC ? Is it adaptive so much so that all 3 need to be in form?


Great, now you know what your weekness is. Try to re-practice and use error log to keep track of everything. Good luck
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