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The first detailed study of magpie attacks in Australia indicates that by the time they had reached adulthood, 98 percent of men and 75 percent of women born in the country have been attacked by the birds.

(A) by the time they had reached adulthood, 98 percent of men and 75 percent of women born in the country have been attacked by the birds

(B) by the time they reach adulthood, 98 percent of men and 75 percent of women, who were born in the country, had been attacked by the birds

(C) by the time they reached adulthood, 98 percent of men and 75 percent of women born in the country had been attacked by the birds

(D) 98 percent of men and 75 percent of women that were born in the country were attacked by the birds by the time they reach adulthood

(E) 98 percent of men and 75 percent of women who were born in the country, by the time they reached adulthood had been attacked by the birds


Concepts tested here: Tenses + Pronouns + Awkwardness/Redundancy

• Past perfect tense (marked by the use of helping verb "had") is used when a sentence contains two actions in the past; the helping verb "had" is used with the action in the "greater past", and the simple past tense is used with the action that took place most recently.
• The simple past tense is used to refer to actions that concluded in the past.
• The present perfect tense (marked by the use of the helping verb “has/have”) is used to describe events that concluded in the past but continue to affect the present.
• The simple present tense is used to indicate actions taking place in the current time frame, indicate habitual actions, state universal truths, and convey information that is permanent in nature.
• "that" cannot be used to refer to a human being.

A: This answer choice incorrectly uses the past perfect tense verb "had reached" to refer to the later of two actions that concluded in the past - the men and women born in Australia being attacked by magpies and the men and women reaching adulthood; remember, past perfect tense (marked by the use of helping verb "had") is used when a sentence contains two actions in the past; the helping verb "had" is used with the action in the "greater past", and the simple past tense is used with the action that took place most recently. Further, Option A incorrectly uses the present perfect tense verb "have been attacked" to refer to the earlier of two actions that concluded in the past - the men and women born in Australia being attacked by magpies and the men and women reaching adulthood; remember, past perfect tense (marked by the use of helping verb "had") is used when a sentence contains two actions in the past; the helping verb "had" is used with the action in the "greater past", and the present perfect tense (marked by the use of the helping verb “has/have”) is used to describe events that concluded in the past but continue to affect the present.

B: This answer choice incorrectly uses the simple present tense verb "reach" to refer to the later of two actions that concluded in the past - the men and women born in Australia being attacked by magpies and the men and women reaching adulthood; remember, past perfect tense (marked by the use of helping verb "had") is used when a sentence contains two actions in the past; the helping verb "had" is used with the action in the "greater past", and the simple past tense is used with the action that took place most recently; the simple present tense is used to indicate actions taking place in the current time frame, indicate habitual actions, state universal truths, and convey information that is permanent in nature. Further, Option B uses the needlessly wordy phrase "who were born in the country", leading to awkwardness and redundancy.

C: Correct. This answer choice correctly uses the simple past tense verb "reached" and the past perfect tense verb "had been attacked" to refer to the later and earlier of two actions that concluded in the past - the men and women born in Australia being attacked by magpies and the men and women reaching adulthood - respectively. Further, Option C avoids the pronoun error seen in Option D, as it does not use the pronoun "that". Additionally, Option C is free of any awkwardness or redundancy.

D: This answer choice incorrectly uses "that" to refer to "98 percent of men and 75 percent of women"; please remember, "that" cannot be used to refer to a human being. Further, Option D incorrectly uses the simple past tense verb "were attacked" to refer to the earlier of two actions that concluded in the past - the men and women born in Australia being attacked by magpies and the men and women reaching adulthood; remember, past perfect tense (marked by the use of helping verb "had") is used when a sentence contains two actions in the past; the helping verb "had" is used with the action in the "greater past", and the simple past tense is used with the action that took place most recently. Additionally, Option D incorrectly uses the simple present tense verb "reach" to refer to the later of two actions that concluded in the past - the men and women born in Australia being attacked by magpies and the men and women reaching adulthood; remember, past perfect tense (marked by the use of helping verb "had") is used when a sentence contains two actions in the past; the helping verb "had" is used with the action in the "greater past", and the simple past tense is used with the action that took place most recently; the simple present tense is used to indicate actions taking place in the current time frame, indicate habitual actions, state universal truths, and convey information that is permanent in nature.

E: This answer choice uses the needlessly wordy phrase "who were born in the country", leading to awkwardness and redundancy.

Hence, C is the best answer choice.

To understand the concept of "Simple Tenses" on GMAT, you may want to watch the following video (~1 minute):



To understand the concept of "Past Perfect Tense" on GMAT, you may want to watch the following video (~2 minutes):



To understand the concept of "Present Perfect Tense" on GMAT, you may want to watch the following video (~2 minutes):



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a) by the time they had reached adulthood, 98 percent of men and 75 percent of women born in country have been attacked by the birds
BORN IN COUNTRY should be BORN IN THE COUNTRY
b) by the time they reach adulthood, 98 percent of men and 75 percent of women, who were born in the country, had been attacked by birds.
ATTACKED BY BIRDS means birds in general.should be BY THE BIRDS
c) by the time they reach adulthood, 98 percent of men and 75 percent of the women born in the country had been attacked by the birds.
CORRECT
d) 98 percent of the men and 75 percent of the women that were born in the country were attacked by the birds by the time they reach adulthood.
AMBIGUOUS "THEY"
e) 98 percent of men and 75 percent of women who were born in the country, by the time they reached adulthood had been attacked by birds
ATTACKED BY BIRDS should be ATTACKED BY THE BIRDS
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There is a typo in option C because it uses present simple and should use past simple.


The first detailed study of magpie attacks in Australia indicates that by the time they had reached adulthood, 98 percent of men and 75 percent of women born in the country have been attacked by the birds.

a.) by the time they had reached adulthood, 98 percent of men and 75 percent of women born in the country have been attacked by the birds.
b.) by the time they reach adulthood, 98 percent of men and 75 percent of women, who were born in the country, had been attacked by the birds
c.) by the time they reached adulthood, 98 percent of men and 75 percent of women born in the country had been attacked by the birds
d.) 98 percent of men and 75 percent of women that were born in the country were attacked by the birds by the time they reach adulthood
e.) 98 percent of men and 75 percent of women who were born in the country, by the time they reached adulthood had been attacked by the birds

Some people have said that the pronoun they is not ambiguous only in E, I'd like to read the reasoning because for me if you want to argue that they is ambiguous is ambiguous in all the answer choices.

the sentence is testing verb tense


A) they had reached adulthood .... have been attacked --> incorrect you use the past perfect with the simple past
B) they reach adulthood .... had been attacked ---> incorrect again
C) they reached adulthood .... had been attacked ---> correct. Explains the sequence of events.
D) were attacked ... by the time they reach ---> past simple and present simple, this doesn't make any sense.
E) by the time they reached adulthood had been attacked by the birds
the problem with this option is that does not set off commas "by the time they reached adulthood", so you have an awkward construction
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The first detailed study of magpie attacks in Australia indicates that by the time they had reached adulthood, 98 percent of men and 75 percent of women born in country have been attacked by the birds.

"By The time" phrase calls for the use of had in the connecting sentence.
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By the time X happened, Y had happened.: Notice past tense in 1st part of sentence and past perfect in 2nd part of sentence.


a) by the time they had reached adulthood, 98 percent of men and 75 percent of women born in country have been attacked by the birds. - Wrong use of had

b) by the time they reach adulthood, 98 percent of men and 75 percent of women, who were born in the country, had been attacked by birds. - Who refers to women only, not to men and women.

c) by the time they reach adulthood, 98 percent of men and 75 percent of the women born in the country had been attacked by the birds. Correct Usage

d) 98 percent of the men and 75 percent of the women that were born in the country were attacked by the birds by the time they reach adulthood. - Wrong verb tense and that refers to women only.

e) 98 percent of men and 75 percent of women who were born in the country, by the time they reached adulthood had been attacked by birds - Who refers to Women only.
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Thanks sayan,
I always saparate clauses with the comma, good to know that it doesn't always mean that they're two separate clauses!

Btw, do you have any example of such "nested" principal clauses?

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Sorry for the typo..... should be "such embedding of independent clause....". Following is a simple example:

John, who is known for his whimsical decisions, has become the operation manager.

The dependent clause "who is known for his whimsical decisions" is embedded within the main clause.

Nonetheless it is possible to embed even main clause within another using "-.......-". Following is an example from OG13:

Although heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year, appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins - they are often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises—heirlooms are more flavorful and thus in increasing demand.
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Thanks sayan,
I always saparate clauses with the comma, good to know that it doesn't always mean that they're two separate clauses!

Btw, do you have any example of such "nested" principal clauses?

Regards,
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Sorry for the typo..... should be "such embedding of independent clause....". Following is a simple example:

John, who is known for his whimsical decisions, has become the operation manager.

The dependent clause "who is known for his whimsical decisions" is embedded within the main clause.

Nonetheless it is possible to embed even main clause within another using "-.......-". Following is an example from OG13:

Although heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year, appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins - they are often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises—heirlooms are more flavorful and thus in increasing demand.

e) The first detailed study of magpie attacks in Australia indicates that 98 percent of men and 75 percent of women who were born in the country, by the time they reached adulthood had been attacked by birds.

My point is: shouldn't there be a comma after the "by the time they reached adulthood"?
I totally agree with your previous examples because they use the parenthetical construction, but in this specific case the lack of the commas doesn't transform the phrase into two incomplete constructions?

What do you think sayantanc2k?
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Thanks sayan,
I always saparate clauses with the comma, good to know that it doesn't always mean that they're two separate clauses!

Btw, do you have any example of such "nested" principal clauses?

Regards,
Densetsu

Sorry for the typo..... should be "such embedding of independent clause....". Following is a simple example:

John, who is known for his whimsical decisions, has become the operation manager.

The dependent clause "who is known for his whimsical decisions" is embedded within the main clause.

Nonetheless it is possible to embed even main clause within another using "-.......-". Following is an example from OG13:

Although heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year, appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins - they are often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises—heirlooms are more flavorful and thus in increasing demand.

e) The first detailed study of magpie attacks in Australia indicates that 98 percent of men and 75 percent of women who were born in the country, by the time they reached adulthood had been attacked by birds.

My point is: shouldn't there be a comma after the "by the time they reached adulthood"?
I totally agree with your previous examples because they use the parenthetical construction, but in this specific case the lack of the commas doesn't transform the phrase into two incomplete constructions?

What do you think sayantanc2k?

Yes, I do agree with you in that they are incomplete constructions, since the first does not have a verb and the second does not have a subject.

Nonetheless in my opinion a comma after "by the time they reached adulthood" does not really change much: we would still have two incomplete constructions as without a comma.

A comma is generally used after a long introductory prepositional phrase, but not used after a short one. Some grammarians suggest that less than 5 words is categorized as a short phrase and more as a long:

By the time I reached the accident site, the vehicle was towed way.
By afternoon I finished my work.

Per the above rule there should be a comma after "by the time they reached adulthood". However the 2 incomplete constructions remain incomplete and does not depend on the presence of the comma.

Whatsoever, even with the comma after "by the time they reached adulthood", I would consider the whole sentence as one construction (one subject - one verb) with a misplaced prepositional phrase.
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I got C as the answer..but have a doubt... Born ----> first action ....So can we eliminate options with simple past attached "born" when there is Had + verb ...No other action can precede birth right??....option C corrects it..
Reached adulthood_ had been attacked_ I think these two are required. Because born is understood.

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But if one includes "were"with born then grammatically had been action will precede...In C this is corrected....In a number of options were born is used..My Q was ...These options can be eliminated directly right?

Not really - The past participle "born" (or the verb "were born") is not a part of the sequence. The sequence is between "time" (in "by the time") and "had been attacked". Compare with the following:

By 2010 the company had grown by 100%... the sequential relation is between "2010" and "had grown". You may add a modifier (e.g. "established in 2005") to "the company", but that modifier does not play a role in the tense of "had grown".)

Similarly, the core sequence here is:
..by the time they reached adulthood, 98 percent of men and 75 percent of the women (born in the country) had been attacked by the birds...

The modifier within bracket does not play a role in the tense of "had been attacked".
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Hello gmatclub members,

during quizzing some official guide questions I stumbled across a question including relative pronouns.
Is it considered as incorrect to use e.g. "who" or "that" after a plural noun (e.g. "woman and men")?

The question was following:
The first detailed study of magpie attacks in Australia indicates that by the time they had reached adulthood, 98 percent of men and 75 percent of women born in country have been attacked by the birds.

a) by the time they had reached adulthood, 98 percent of men and 75 percent of women born in country have been attacked by the birds.
b) by the time they reach adulthood, 98 percent of men and 75 percent of women, who were born in the country, had been attacked by birds.
c) by the time they reached adulthood, 98 percent of men and 75 percent of the women born in the country had been attacked by the birds.
d) 98 percent of the men and 75 percent of the women that were born in the country were attacked by the birds by the time they reach adulthood.
e) 98 percent of men and 75 percent of women who were born in the country, by the time they reached adulthood had been attacked by birds

There were some comments about this issue, but as there are other flaws in the incorrect answers, I'm not sure whether this initially questioned issue is commonly valid. I did also some research on websites dealing with English grammar. There are always examples with nouns that resemble a single person - but of course this doesn't clear the issue, if it is invalid to use it with plural nouns.
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Is it considered as incorrect to use e.g. "who" or "that" after a plural noun (e.g. "woman and men")?
Hi ChrisL1988, relative pronouns relating to plural nouns is not considered as incorrect, but considered as is incorrect (the correct idiom is just considered, not considered as :) )

Coming back to the original question, all relative pronouns can relate to either singular or plural nouns.

There are numerous official examples available. For example:

In theory, international civil servants at the United Nations are prohibited from continuing to draw salaries from their own governments; in practice, however, some governments merely substitute living allowances for the paychecks of their employees who have been assigned to the United Nations.

Notice that who is relating to plural nouns employees.

p.s. Our book EducationAisle Sentence Correction Nirvana discusses Relative pronouns, their application and examples in significant detail. Have attached the corresponding section of the book, for your reference.
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My only problem with option C is the pronoun "they". Though it logically refers to men and women, it comes before the noun, in which case, is n't it having ambuiguity in referrent, as "they" could point to magpie attacks.

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Still very confused about e) why is it wrong.

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My only problem with option C is the pronoun "they". Though it logically refers to men and women, it comes before the noun, in which case, is n't it having ambuiguity in referrent, as "they" could point to magpie attacks.

Please help

Thanks

Hey hellosanthosh2k2 ,

My friend, I think you are missing the Modifier + comma rule. It says, Whenever you have a modifier followed by a comma, the modifier must refer to the subject of the independent clause.

So, since the modifier has "they", it must refer to the subject of the independent clause after comma (98 percent of men and 75 percent of the women).

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Still very confused about e) why is it wrong.

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Hey Johnnywantover700 ,

E is a blunder here. I will show you how. :)

Look at the tenses. E says

Some % of men and women had been attached by birds. Now, look at the tense of "who were born in the country".

Now, I hope you know the rules of past perfect tense. Let me know if you don't.

So, considering those rules, What the sentence implies is that they were first attacked and then they were born. This is illogical.

Ideally, we should not use "who were" and make the sequencing of getting attacked and reaching adulthood in order. But this is what E is not doing.

Does that make sense?
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My only problem with option C is the pronoun "they". Though it logically refers to men and women, it comes before the noun, in which case, is n't it having ambuiguity in referrent, as "they" could point to magpie attacks.

Please help

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Hi hellosanthosh2k2!

I can jump in for Mike here :-) It looks like abhimahna already answered your question here -- when there is a modifier followed by a comma, the modifier refers to the subject of the independent clause. It is perfectly fine for the noun to come before the pronoun, since there is a comma there :-)

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I want to understand why "they" in the answer choices is not referring to magpie and hence wrong. How is its antecedent men and women which too is a compound subject?
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I want to understand why "they" in the answer choices is not referring to magpie and hence wrong. How is its antecedent men and women which too is a compound subject?
The meaning expressed dictates that "they" must refer to "men and women" rather than to "magpie attacks."

"They" appears in the context of "by the time they reached adulthood." Since magpie attacks would not reach adulthood, "they" clearly does not refer to "magpie attacks."

Therefore "they" must refer to the other possible referent, "men and women."
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Hi MartyTargetTestPrep generis I am not sure that option C is correct. Let me explain my concerns.

(C) Study ... indicates that by the time they reached adulthood, 98 percent of men and 75 percent of the women born in the country had been attacked by the birds.

Comma usually separates a non-essential modifying piece and in our particular case the piece after comma is essential, because the sentence will loose any sense if the part after comma were removed. This is why I feel that C is a shaky option, it would have been better without the comma. And I am quite sure I saw official OG questions which had no comma in similar situations.

What are your thoughts?
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