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"We havé total possibilities N =3^4"
Hi VeritasKarishma, I always get confused by this. Can you explain.

Why can't it be like this: First secretary can have any/all of the four reports, second secretary can have any/all of the four reports, and third secretary can have any/all of the four reports,

So, we have 4 options for first secretary, 4 options for second secretary, and 4 options for third secretary.

So, total number of possibilities = 4^3 (and not 3^4).

Can you guide me what is wrong with the above logic?

It depends on what the question asks for: Here, the report1 can be sent to any secy. So report1 can be given away in 3 ways.
Again, report 2 can be given to any secy so report 2 can be given out in 3 ways. and same for reports 3 and 4.

Try to do it the other way around. Secy1 can get any one of the 4 reports in 4 ways (but hey, he may get no reports too; or may get 2 of the 4 reports or 3 or the 4 reports or all 4 reports! In each case, other secy's will have options dependent on what secy1 got)
Now the question has become a nightmare!

If it is confusing, here is a thumb rule - the thing that has to be distributed goes up in the exponent.
Since reports have to be distributed, and there are 4 of them, we get 3^4.
Always check whether the logic is correct - you never know how the questions are worded.
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'1 and 3' - Choose one report in 4C1 ways and give it to one secretary in 2C1 ways. The other secretary gets the other 3 reports.
Hi VeritasKarishma, so, we have 4 reports and 3 secretaries. The question is: in how many ways can we give 1 report to 1 secretary and 3 reports to the other secretary?

Why can the solution not be the following:

1 report to 1 secretary in 4C1*3C1 ways

3 reports to the other secretary in 2C1 ways (2C1 because there are two secretaries left and anyone of them will get the remaining 3 reports).

So, ways in which we can give 1 report to 1 secretary and 3 reports to the other secretary = 4C1*3C1*2C1 = 24.

But apparently this is not correct. Where am I going wrong?

Notice the sentence right above it:

In how many ways can you give 4 reports to only 2 secretaries? Choose the 2 secretaries in 3C2 ways. Each secretary must get at least one report so you can distribute them in 2 ways:
'1 and 3' - Choose one report in 4C1 ways and give it to one secretary in 2C1 ways. The other secretary gets the other 3 reports.

Before you give 1 and 3 away, you selected 2 secy in 3C2 ways. Now you have 2 secys who must get all 4 reports, one gets 1 and the other gets 3.
Now revisit the rest of the solution.
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can someone tell me how the total no of outcomes are 3^4 ?

each secretary can max be given 4 reports so the total outcome should be 4^3 right ?

please correct me where if i am missing any logic
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can someone tell me how the total no of outcomes are 3^4 ?

each secretary can max be given 4 reports so the total outcome should be 4^3 right ?

please correct me where if i am missing any logic

Your approach is equivalent to 3 reports being distributed to 4 people.

Remember that each report is being HANDED out to a person.

Each report then can go to any one of 3 people. 3 choices.

So 3 choices x 3 choices x 3 choices x 3 choices = 81 ways of distributing the reports.


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KarishmaB Maa'm , Why did you not select the secretary  in 2 c 1 ways like you did in the first case ? Please check the highlighted part.
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Hi,
I have Big troubles with this question.
We havé total possibilities N =3^4
Then we can say that the probability to give at least one report to each secretary is the opposite of giving no report to at least one secretary.
So evaluating this proba :
-ways to choose 1 secretary among 3 (she will not be assigned any report)=3
-ways to affect 4 reports to 2 secretaries (it can be just one if ever) : examples (1122) assigns 2 first reports to secretary 1 and two last one to secretary 2. There are 2^4 possibilities (1111,1112,1122,....)

So result is 1-(3*2^4)/3^4=11/27.

The true result is 12/26.... Could you explain where is my mistake ?
Thanks a lot
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"We havé total possibilities N =3^4"

What are these total possibilities? They are the ways in which the 4 reports can be distributed among 3 secretaries so that all reports may go to one secretary, the reports may be distributed among 2 secretaries or they may be distributed among all 3. So such cases are included (4, 0, 0), (0, 4, 0), (2, 2, 0), (1, 3, 0), (1, 1, 2), etc

In how many ways can you give 4 reports to only 1 secretary? You choose the secretary who will get the reports in 3C1 = 3 ways

In how many ways can you give 4 reports to only 2 secretaries? Choose the 2 secretaries in 3C2 ways. Each secretary must get at least one report so you can distribute them in 2 ways:
'1 and 3' - Choose one report in 4C1 ways and give it to one secretary in 2C1 ways. The other secretary gets the other 3 reports.
or
'2 and 2' - Choose 2 reports in 4C2 ways and give to the first secretary. The other secretary gets the other two reports.
Total number of ways is 3C2 * (4C1*2C1 + 4C2) = 42 ways


Note that in your method 2^4 is incorrect. It includes the ways in which all 4 reports go to one secretary.

So this means that in 3 + 42 = 45 ways, at least one secretary gets no report. In the rest of 81 - 45 = 36 ways, each secretary gets at least one report.

Required Probability = 36/81 = 12/27
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KarishmaB Maa'm , Why did you not select the secretary  in 2 c 1 ways like you did in the first case ? Please check the highlighted part.
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Hi,
I have Big troubles with this question.
We havé total possibilities N =3^4
Then we can say that the probability to give at least one report to each secretary is the opposite of giving no report to at least one secretary.
So evaluating this proba :
-ways to choose 1 secretary among 3 (she will not be assigned any report)=3
-ways to affect 4 reports to 2 secretaries (it can be just one if ever) : examples (1122) assigns 2 first reports to secretary 1 and two last one to secretary 2. There are 2^4 possibilities (1111,1112,1122,....)

So result is 1-(3*2^4)/3^4=11/27.

The true result is 12/26.... Could you explain where is my mistake ?
Thanks a lot
Marie
"We havé total possibilities N =3^4"

What are these total possibilities? They are the ways in which the 4 reports can be distributed among 3 secretaries so that all reports may go to one secretary, the reports may be distributed among 2 secretaries or they may be distributed among all 3. So such cases are included (4, 0, 0), (0, 4, 0), (2, 2, 0), (1, 3, 0), (1, 1, 2), etc

In how many ways can you give 4 reports to only 1 secretary? You choose the secretary who will get the reports in 3C1 = 3 ways

In how many ways can you give 4 reports to only 2 secretaries? Choose the 2 secretaries in 3C2 ways. Each secretary must get at least one report so you can distribute them in 2 ways:
'1 and 3' - Choose one report in 4C1 ways and give it to one secretary in 2C1 ways. The other secretary gets the other 3 reports.
or
'2 and 2' - Choose 2 reports in 4C2 ways and give to the first secretary. The other secretary gets the other two reports.
Total number of ways is 3C2 * (4C1*2C1 + 4C2) = 42 ways


Note that in your method 2^4 is incorrect. It includes the ways in which all 4 reports go to one secretary.

So this means that in 3 + 42 = 45 ways, at least one secretary gets no report. In the rest of 81 - 45 = 36 ways, each secretary gets at least one report.

Required Probability = 36/81 = 12/27
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Because both secys get 2 reports each and we are selecting the reports so we cannot select the secys. 

Secys - X, Y
Reports - A, B, C,D

4C2 is the number of ways in which you can give secy X any 2 of the 4 reports. AB or AC or AD or BC or BD or CD. The secy Y gets the other 2 reports in each case. Everything is accounted for. Why would we multiply by 2?

But in case of 1 and 3 reports, I select a secy in 2C1 ways (say I select X) and give her 1 report in 4C1 ways. The other secy gets the other 3 reports.
But till  now, the roles have not reversed Secy X has not got 3 reports. So multiplying by 2 is necessary.­
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Departments : A,B,C,D
Secretaries : 1,2,3
As per the ques , one of the secretaries will have to type for 2 depts and the other two for 1 dept each.
Which means 2 dept. will give their report to 1 secy and the other two depts will give their report to the other 2 secys (1 each).
No. of ways to club the depts in the form of 2,1,1 = 6. (AB, C, D) (AC, B,D) (AD, B, C) (BC, A, D) (BD, A, C) (CD, A,B)
No. of ways of distributing the reports to 3 secys = 3!.
Therefore total no. of favorable cases = 6x3! = 36.
Total possible cases = 3^4 ( each dept can give its report to any of the secys).

Probability = 36/(3^4) = 4/9

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There are three secretaries who work for four departments. If each of the four departments have one report to be typed out, and the reports are randomly assigned to a secretary, what is the probability that all three secretary are assigned at least one report?

A. 8/9
B. 64/81
C. 4/9
D. 16/81
E. 5/9
total outcomes = 3*3*3*3=81 because each file can be given to each of three secretaries

Favourable outcomes:

One secretary will get 2 reports and the other 2 will get 1 each

The secretary who gets 2 reports can be chosen in 3C1 ways
The two reports that are assigned to the chosen secretary can be chosen in 4C2 ways
remaining 2 reports to be chosen be assigned to the remaining 2 secretaries in 2! ways

Favourable outcomes = 3C1*4C2*2! = 36

Probability = 36/81 =4/9

Answer: Option C
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