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Toefl requirement- 109. What if i apply with lower score?

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New post 30 Jun 2016, 00:55
Hi friends,

"The MBA Admissions Board discourages any candidate with a TOEFL score lower than 109 on the iBT, an IELTS score lower than 7.5, or a PTE score lower than 75 from applying " is cited on HBS's page.

If my toefl score is lower than 109, but still above 100, could i still apply HBS?

" discourage" does not mean impossible?
I am from Vietnam. 109 is really my concern. Thank you.
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New post 30 Jun 2016, 01:15
Hey littlegirl,
when I was in Boston I took a tour of HBS and participated in the ensuing Q&A. In the Q&A someone asked the same question you just asked us, and their answer was yes: a score of 109 is required. And their reasoning was, if I recall correctly, that they experienced problems with people who scored lower than 109, meaning those people were not fully able to participate in the class jeopardizing the class experience for the others.

That said I'm sure that if you scored 107 and have an outstanding application they won't bother too much with the two points gap.

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Hi friends,

"The MBA Admissions Board discourages any candidate with a TOEFL score lower than 109 on the iBT, an IELTS score lower than 7.5, or a PTE score lower than 75 from applying " is cited on HBS's page.

If my toefl score is lower than 109, but still above 100, could i still apply HBS?

" discourage" does not mean impossible?
I am from Vietnam. 109 is really my concern. Thank you.


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The 109 is almost an absolute requirement at HBS, and this is why they state that number on their site. By the way, we agree with you that the 109 at HBS is quite high - most other schools have limits that are much lower. For example, at Haas (Berkeley), it is 90.
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ThankDensetsuNo and GyanOne for advices :-D
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ThankDensetsuNo and GyanOne for advices :-D

Never mind, and good luck!

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So you have had some good advice- Harvard says 109 and that must mean they are firm on that- but again if I had a 107 or close I might still try. And I agree 109 is the highest minimum TOEFL I've seen on schools. It is 104 at Chicago Booth, 87!!! at UCLA, 105 at McCombs, 90 at HAAS. Most schools don't actually state a lowest limit but of the schools that do- it seems to most often be around 100.
The applicant pool from Vietnam is also relatively small in comparison with some other countries so you may be a little more latitude for that. If you'd like to discuss this more, we'd be happy to do a free consult on your particular situation. You can go to our website here at StratusPrep to get a free consult. Best of luck to you!
"The MBA Admissions Board discourages any candidate with a TOEFL score lower than 109 on the iBT, an IELTS score lower than 7.5, or a PTE score lower than 75 from applying " is cited on HBS's page.

If my toefl score is lower than 109, but still above 100, could i still apply HBS?

" discourage" does not mean impossible?
I am from Vietnam. 109 is really my concern. Thank you.

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New post 01 Jul 2016, 10:21
Sounds like this question would be more appropriate addressed to a Harvard admission officer.

I would encourage the OP to score at least 109, given that a lower score is explicitly looked down upon.

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Agreed that it is always good to ask the school for guidance, but keep in mind that the "school" is always a collection of individuals and certainly different people might have slight thoughts on grey areas like being very close to a cutoff. But 100% if a school puts details on a website like a minimum TOEFL that this is important.

I am speaking more hypothetically here and not about Harvard but it is good to keep in mind there are general guidelines and then there is each person and their unique situation. My point was simply that let's say a person started five companies with revenues in the 100 millions and let's say they had a 760 GMAT and a 3.9 from a very prestigious international program and they started an NGO that gives fresh water to thousands... If a school saw all that.. Maybe they would look at a person with a TOEFL one point under stated limit... And you will never know unless you apply! But yes Harvard does state a minimum of 109 in TOEFL and it is always best to ask the school when you have a very school specific question!

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Unless you have some sort of handicap, you really should be able to score 109 on the TOEFL if you are capable of surviving Harvard. Classes at HBS are heavily discussion-based, and extracurricular activities are sometimes as intense as classes. You'll absolutely need to speak fluent, academics- and business-oriented English in order to have a good interview, to begin with.

If you have reservations about your English skills, I recommend that you brush up on those skills as soon as possible if you are planning to apply this year.

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littlegirl wrote:
Hi friends,

"The MBA Admissions Board discourages any candidate with a TOEFL score lower than 109 on the iBT, an IELTS score lower than 7.5, or a PTE score lower than 75 from applying " is cited on HBS's page.

If my toefl score is lower than 109, but still above 100, could i still apply HBS?

" discourage" does not mean impossible?
I am from Vietnam. 109 is really my concern. Thank you.


A friend of mine was accepted with a 107 TOEFL to the class of 2018 and he does not have an "extraordinary" profile.

So it is not "109 or bust"

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