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Great thanks. For critical reasoning do you agree with the popular opinion of practicing LSAT critical reasoning and Reading comprehension questions?

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Great thanks. For critical reasoning do you agree with the popular opinion of practicing LSAT critical reasoning and Reading comprehension questions?

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I never used LSAT materials for GMAT Prep, but this guy did and here is what he thought about it: lsat-books-for-gmat-verbal-prep-97191.html
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Thanks a lot bb that is helpful :-)

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Congratulations on achieving an outstanding score following an excellent score! It's even more impressive that you didn't use any books or courses for strategies. You must be one of those people that simply "get" the GMAT.

What was your Quant/Verbal breakdown by the way? Did I miss it somewhere?
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Congratulations on this amazing improvement!

Your post was very inspiring for me, I hope to go through a similar process soon.
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I scored a 760 on GMAT yesterday! :)

In my first attempt, I scored 710(V49,Q38). I had practiced the OG and taken GMATPrep Tests. I consistently scored 720 in those tests.
After the attempt, however, I was advised by multiple people to re-take the GMAT since the median score of some of my target schools was greater than 710.

Here's the story of my GMAT re-take!

When I started preparing again, I was targeting a score of 750+. However, I knew that I needed to really understand my weakest areas in order to optimize my study plan and score well. I also needed to understand why I could not score more than 710 earlier so that I could avoid the same mistakes.

As a first step, I bought the Enhanced Score Report to understand my weak areas. I also thoroughly went through my prep tests to understand this.
I got to know that in Verbal, SC was my weakest, followed by RC, followed by CR.
In Quant, DS was weaker than PS and Geometry was weaker than Arithmetic. However, I was kind of satisfied with 49 in Quant and decided to focus more on Verbal.

As a second step, I analyzed the mistakes from last time:
1. Whenever I used to study, I always wanted to "finish" it which meant that I was trying to go too fast, focusing more on the number of questions done rather than understanding the concepts behind them.
2. I never timed my practice.
3. I never studied the solutions of the questions that I got right.
4. I did not give enough practice tests.

Here's the plan that I made for my second attempt:
1. Timed Practice Sets: I started doing timed sets of 10 questions (20 mins max) each by keeping a timer and timing each question. For each question, I would create a matrix such as XXX-- which meant that A,B,C are definitely wrong and I'm confused between D,E and then circle the final answer. I realized eventually that out of 5, 3 options are mostly absolutely wrong and can be discarded very quickly.
2. Reading Solutions: After each timed set, I would spend 30-40 minutes studying the solutions. I would pay close attention to the 2 options that I got confused with and how the book is deciding which one is correct.
3. Underlining key concepts: As I studied, I kept underlining key concepts, idioms etc. I used to re-read them every 3-4 days in order to revise.
4. Attempting wrong questions: Whenever I got any question wrong, I would mark it with a star. Every 3-4 days, I would create a timed set out of the questions that I got wrong in the last couple of days. This gave me a chance to re-read their solutions, understand again and helped me to not repeat my mistakes.
5. Taking Practice Tests: I bought the GMAT official Practice Tests Set 1 and 2 both. In total, I had 6 official tests now. I also bought Manhattan Prep's 6 practice tests. I scored 720 on official GMAT practice test when I had started studying again and then consistently scored 760 on all the rest of the 5 official tests. However, I took 3 manhattan prep tests and never scored above 670. I realized that the Quant was quite difficult in comparison to official tests and QG and hence I decided to stick to official material and not focus on manhattan.

Eventually, I was able to identify the "type" 70-80% of the questions that appeared in the test and broadly knew the approach that I needed to follow. This was true for both quant and verbal. I also knew the type of questions that I would get wrong and hence should not waste my time on. This was very critical to manage my time on the actual GMAT. I skipped (guessed the answers) in some of these questions and did not waste my time on them. I used this saved time on some of the other questions that I knew I would get right. In the end, I had 2-3 minutes of spare time in both Quant and Verbal and no panic.

I only used the official guide, the official verbal review and official quant review for my preparation. Against popular advice, I did not take any other study material or study classes. I believe these are great resources if studied well.
Apart from the guide, I did spend time on GMATClub reading about other people's experiences and improving my strategy. I feel this helped me lot and hence I wanted to write this post. :)

I wish all of you best of luck for your GMAT!

Thanks for your detail approach. Congrats on the great score! I have few questions to ask -

    1. Did you book the ESR before the exam or can you do it after exam too?
    2. What do you mean by these : " I was able to identify the "type" 70-80% of the questions that appeared in the test" Does it mean that you were able to identify the level of difficulty?
    3.Considering you didn't study any other material, what would you say about the various rules in verbal that help in SC. Those aren't given in OG
    4.Were you naturally good in Verbal?
    5. Before giving a mock test, what things would you mainly prepare. What was your startegy and mindset before giving mock test?
    5.A What did you do in last 5 days of your tests?
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I think you have missed to mention all the resources used to learn the various topics / strategies before you first attempt and it is not clear to us what you used to get here. Only one recommendation stands out - Use Only official Sources for practice but what did you use for learning the content?
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Congratulations on achieving an outstanding score following an excellent score! It's even more impressive that you didn't use any books or courses for strategies. You must be one of those people that simply "get" the GMAT.

What was your Quant/Verbal breakdown by the way? Did I miss it somewhere?

It is written in his profile GMAT 1 : 760 Q49 V42.
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I think you have missed to mention all the resources used to learn the various topics / strategies before you first attempt and it is not clear to us what you used to get here. Only one recommendation stands out - Use Only official Sources for practice but what did you use for learning the content?

I didn't use any other resource to learn the topics/strategies. First time around, I had just practiced OG but didn't read the solutions, second time I read all the solutions. I did not use any other material to prepare.
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I scored a 760 on GMAT yesterday! :)

In my first attempt, I scored 710(V49,Q38). I had practiced the OG and taken GMATPrep Tests. I consistently scored 720 in those tests.
After the attempt, however, I was advised by multiple people to re-take the GMAT since the median score of some of my target schools was greater than 710.

Here's the story of my GMAT re-take!

When I started preparing again, I was targeting a score of 750+. However, I knew that I needed to really understand my weakest areas in order to optimize my study plan and score well. I also needed to understand why I could not score more than 710 earlier so that I could avoid the same mistakes.

As a first step, I bought the Enhanced Score Report to understand my weak areas. I also thoroughly went through my prep tests to understand this.
I got to know that in Verbal, SC was my weakest, followed by RC, followed by CR.
In Quant, DS was weaker than PS and Geometry was weaker than Arithmetic. However, I was kind of satisfied with 49 in Quant and decided to focus more on Verbal.

As a second step, I analyzed the mistakes from last time:
1. Whenever I used to study, I always wanted to "finish" it which meant that I was trying to go too fast, focusing more on the number of questions done rather than understanding the concepts behind them.
2. I never timed my practice.
3. I never studied the solutions of the questions that I got right.
4. I did not give enough practice tests.

Here's the plan that I made for my second attempt:
1. Timed Practice Sets: I started doing timed sets of 10 questions (20 mins max) each by keeping a timer and timing each question. For each question, I would create a matrix such as XXX-- which meant that A,B,C are definitely wrong and I'm confused between D,E and then circle the final answer. I realized eventually that out of 5, 3 options are mostly absolutely wrong and can be discarded very quickly.
2. Reading Solutions: After each timed set, I would spend 30-40 minutes studying the solutions. I would pay close attention to the 2 options that I got confused with and how the book is deciding which one is correct.
3. Underlining key concepts: As I studied, I kept underlining key concepts, idioms etc. I used to re-read them every 3-4 days in order to revise.
4. Attempting wrong questions: Whenever I got any question wrong, I would mark it with a star. Every 3-4 days, I would create a timed set out of the questions that I got wrong in the last couple of days. This gave me a chance to re-read their solutions, understand again and helped me to not repeat my mistakes.
5. Taking Practice Tests: I bought the GMAT official Practice Tests Set 1 and 2 both. In total, I had 6 official tests now. I also bought Manhattan Prep's 6 practice tests. I scored 720 on official GMAT practice test when I had started studying again and then consistently scored 760 on all the rest of the 5 official tests. However, I took 3 manhattan prep tests and never scored above 670. I realized that the Quant was quite difficult in comparison to official tests and QG and hence I decided to stick to official material and not focus on manhattan.

Eventually, I was able to identify the "type" 70-80% of the questions that appeared in the test and broadly knew the approach that I needed to follow. This was true for both quant and verbal. I also knew the type of questions that I would get wrong and hence should not waste my time on. This was very critical to manage my time on the actual GMAT. I skipped (guessed the answers) in some of these questions and did not waste my time on them. I used this saved time on some of the other questions that I knew I would get right. In the end, I had 2-3 minutes of spare time in both Quant and Verbal and no panic.

I only used the official guide, the official verbal review and official quant review for my preparation. Against popular advice, I did not take any other study material or study classes. I believe these are great resources if studied well.
Apart from the guide, I did spend time on GMATClub reading about other people's experiences and improving my strategy. I feel this helped me lot and hence I wanted to write this post. :)

I wish all of you best of luck for your GMAT!

Thanks for your detail approach. Congrats on the great score! I have few questions to ask -

    1. Did you book the ESR before the exam or can you do it after exam too?
    2. What do you mean by these : " I was able to identify the "type" 70-80% of the questions that appeared in the test" Does it mean that you were able to identify the level of difficulty?
    3.Considering you didn't study any other material, what would you say about the various rules in verbal that help in SC. Those aren't given in OG
    4.Were you naturally good in Verbal?
    5. Before giving a mock test, what things would you mainly prepare. What was your startegy and mindset before giving mock test?
    5.A What did you do in last 5 days of your tests?


1. I booked the ESR after the exam. I don't think we can book it before the exam but I am not sure. In any case, it is needed after the exam only and you get it instantaneously.
2. " I was able to identify the "type" 70-80% of the questions that appeared in the test" By this I meant that there are certain types of questions that appear in the exam for sure. e.g. in Quant: work time problems (X takes Y hours to do something..). Based on practice, I knew there were only 3 types of work time problems that could appear so in the mock tests/real tests, it took me <1min to solve them since I already knew the approach. Similarly, with time I started identify patterns in Verbal too - eg in SC, for most questions, I was able to reject 3 options out of 5 in 30-40 secs just because I had seen similar problems.
3. I felt that every rule that is tested in GMAT is available in OG in solutions. When I read solutions, I would make notes, find patterns etc. and with time I started learning those concepts.
4. I scored a 38 in Verbal first time, so won't say I was naturally good. I did not have a formal education of English grammar but had been an avid reader before.
5. I would not particularly prepare anything for a mock test as it was an ongoing preparation. I would however, make sure that I take the prep test like the real test. I would attempt the AWA, IR in all tests. I would also not take more than 8 mins of breaks just like the real test. That's because in my first attempt I realized that GMAT makes you tired by the time you reach verbal and your concentration drops. So I aimed to prepare myself for it.
6. In the last 5 days, I took a prep test every alternate day and analyzed my mistakes. I also re-did all the questions that I had done wrong in my practice of OG and read their solutions again. I did not do anything else in the last 5 days. On the last day, I just went through my underlined notes in OG and relaxed.
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I scored a 760 on GMAT yesterday! :)

In my first attempt, I scored 710(V49,Q38). I had practiced the OG and taken GMATPrep Tests. I consistently scored 720 in those tests.
After the attempt, however, I was advised by multiple people to re-take the GMAT since the median score of some of my target schools was greater than 710.


4. I scored a 38 in Verbal first time, so won't say I was naturally good. I did not have a formal education of English grammar but had been an avid reader before.

Thank you for your detailed reply. I think you interchanged the marks of your first attempt, it should be Q49 V38.
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