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Hi everyone,

I understand I'm probably a dreamer, but I just submitted my application to round 3.

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FR, 32, WE: 9 (Automotive/PE/Internet)
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Strong LORs (or so I hope).

Anyone believes in me?
Or is it just a desperate plea?

Thanks for your feedbacks.

Note: I have plenty of good reasons for applying in round 3, but none that adcom would be interested in...
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For those who were curious, I was just contacted by Dee herself after she read this forum! Had a great conversation and am really excited about HBS :-)
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huh? HRH reads the forum
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Hi everyone,

I understand I'm probably a dreamer, but I just submitted my application to round 3.

Profile:
FR, 32, WE: 9 (Automotive/PE/Internet)
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Gmat: 750 / Toefl: 114
Strong LORs (or so I hope).

Anyone believes in me?
Or is it just a desperate plea?

Thanks for your feedbacks.

Note: I have plenty of good reasons for applying in round 3, but none that adcom would be interested in...
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anything is possible..i was told Harvard was a stretch by someone...she didn't get into Harvard herself
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tohin, all the best with the application! You have a pretty strong profile. I hope you beat the R3 odd and get in!
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I just submitted to R3 as well. The good thing about this one is that its very fast compared to the others. We get to know our decision in a little over a month and probably will hear about interviews in two weeks. Personally, I dont give a peanut about what they say regarding the difficulty of R3 with respect to other rounds. We all have a good shot at it and perhaps the same probability. Maybe the ratio of seats available to total R3 applicants remains roughly the same as the other rounds and we are just deluded to think that its more difficult only because fewer seats are left.

Dee (HRH) . If you are reading this can you confirm or deny this? :) Its worth a shot asking, seeing that she reads the board haha
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fsaq: I believe odds are much lower in round 3 than in previous rounds (I'd say 2/3 lower, based on a few posts I read - roughly 100 spots for 3000 applications). I'd be happy to be proven wrong.

In any case, at this stage, dice are rolled. We made an informed decision and know it's going to be tough. On the other end, being admitted could feel even better.

Good luck to you and our fellow 3rd rounders.
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fsaq: I believe odds are much lower in round 3 than in previous rounds (I'd say 2/3 lower, based on a few posts I read - roughly 100 spots for 3000 applications). I'd be happy to be proven wrong.

In any case, at this stage, dice are rolled. We made an informed decision and know it's going to be tough. On the other end, being admitted could feel even better.

Good luck to you and our fellow 3rd rounders.
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Cannot agree with you more... Good luck.. we can keep each other motivated and optimistic through the wait time... Lets cross our fingers and pray for the best!

I think if we are good enough... we will be admitted irrespective of round!
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All, WL communication just went out from Eileen this morning (about 15 mins ago):

March 31, 2011
Hello Everyone:
It's Eileen Chang from the MBA Admissions Board at HBS.
I'd like to welcome those candidates receiving this correspondence for the first time. This is a regular update I send out at the beginning of each month to give all of you an update on our Admissions process. I realize we are a day shy of April 1, but given that a lot has happened this week, I felt it was important to reach out earlier.
For those of you from Round 2 who haven't yet confirmed your place on our waitlist via the online poll, we appreciate your doing so as soon as possible.
Round 2 decision notifications were released on Tuesday. We also admitted approximately 50 Round 1 waitlist candidates on Tuesday. Now, with the addition of candidates from Round 2, our waitlist currently stands at around 100 candidates.
Our final Round 3 submission deadline is today and we will begin reviewing Round 3 applications tonight.
By the end of the day today, we will have received all applications that will be considered for the Class of 2013. In the immediate term, we will be focusing on our Round 3 applicants. I anticipate that at the end of April, we will begin actively reviewing our waitlist. If there will be decisions made before the end of April, I will be in touch to let you know what to expect.
Although we do not want to make guarantees as to the exact date when you will likely hear a decision from us on your application, we do want to emphasize that we will keep a waitlist as long as there is a reasonable expectation that space may be available in the class. In terms of setting expectations, the majority of decisions on waitlist candidates are made before June 1.
Finally, it is very important that you keep your contact information updated through the ApplyYourself system. If at any time you would like to withdraw from the waitlist, please email us and let us know.
We appreciate your cooperation. If you have any questions, please contact my colleague Dana Scalisi, who works with me in managing the waitlist.
Thank you for your cooperation.
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I am waitlisted w/o interview and my waitlist letter said I was deferred for further consideration in R3, and would receive an interview request if they're interested, whenever R3 interview requests go out. My guess is that, based off Eileen's e-mail just now, those WLers who interviewed will hear in May sometime, but those who didn't interview will probably hear in 2 weeks whether they are to receive an interview, along with any other R3 applicants.
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on the admission blog, for a previous year, they said they will accept applications as long as they were submitted on the last date, 31st march this year, even if it is not submitted by noon.

Anyone has any sense on this? I have not been able to submit my application for round 3 yet. need another 2-3 hours.
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on the admission blog, for a previous year, they said they will accept applications as long as they were submitted on the last date, 31st march this year, even if it is not submitted by noon.

Anyone has any sense on this? I have not been able to submit my application for round 3 yet. need another 2-3 hours.
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I think I remember hearing someone submitting it 5-10 mins late and was still considered for R2, but don't know about 2-3 hours.
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Its past 12:00 and round 3 countdown has begun! TICK TOCK... next stop interview invites!
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Has anyone submitted their app past 12:00 and got submission confirmations?
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Here's some back of the envelope analysis for the WL's

Let's assume Admit of 1050 people this year, out of which about 900 Accept (Class of 2012 Stats)
Fact: There were a total of 150 wait listed (R1 & R2) [Since 100 exist now and 50 were admitted], So let's assume 75 from R1 and 75 from R2

More assumptions:
Round 1: Admitted ~450 ( & 75 WL)
Round 2: Admitted ~450 (Fact: includes 50 waitlisted from Round 1- This makes sense, ~90% yield so they took 50 from the WL)
(The yield will be higher because the 50 WL's who got in will have a higher yield...)

The above numbers include the 2+2 program admits (100 seats)

Round 3 & the rest of WL's: ~150 or 10% of the class as mentioned in the HBS Statement (Depending on the quality of the R3 applicants vs. WL's let's assume ~100 for R3, this means 50 potential seats for 100 WL's)


The economy is somewhat better than last year, so it's safe to assume a slightly lower yield this year. Based on the above I'll give us WL's slightly above a 50%. If you've interviewed, you're probably have a higher chance. Good luck!

PS I'm not a consultant, so feel free to have a field day with this ;)
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Warsh’s J’accuse against HBS Prof Porter


https://www.projo.com/opinion/contributo ... 94b25.html
whole story, told in great detail– including thumbnail history of Porter and Monitor–worth a look. Warsh is polymath and muckracker and has a PhD in economics, plus deep knowledge of Harvard scandals.

David Warsh: Harvard star prof’s sleazy deals with Gadhafi
01:00 AM EDT on Thursday, March 31, 2011
https://is.gd/67UNBd
We now know that Gadhafi’s son bribed his way into his Ph.D. from the London School of Economics; that Monitor Group had been paid to help him write his dissertation there (much of which apparently turns out to have been plagiarized, anyway); that the Libyan government was paying Monitor $250,000 a month for its services; that, according to The New York Times, Libya’s sovereign-wealth fund today owns a portion of Pearson PLC, the conglomerate that publishes the Financial Times and The Economist; that the whole deal quietly fell apart two years later.

, , , ,In a statement last week, Monitor wrote that “just a few years ago many saw a period of promise in Libya.” That was certainly true in Cambridge. What dissenting Libyans in Tripoli witnessed was a parade of well-paid visitors flattering their half-mad dictator, and a squad of Harvard-connected consultants bent on creating a “National Security Organization” for the government, designed to augment the existing security apparatus with a new corps of MBA-trained personnel officers.

I’m not going to hold my breath waiting for Porter to give some evidence of contrition about his mission to Tripoli. Sir Howard Davies may have resigned as director of the LSE (“The short point is that I am responsible for the school’s reputation and that has suffered”), but being a Harvard professor apparently means never having to say you’re sorry.

David Warsh, a former writer for The Wall Street Journal, Forbes and The Boston Globe, is proprietor of economicprincipals.com
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Here's some back of the envelope analysis for the WL's

Let's assume Admit of 1050 people this year, out of which about 900 Accept (Class of 2012 Stats)
Fact: There were a total of 150 wait listed (R1 & R2) [Since 100 exist now and 50 were admitted], So let's assume 75 from R1 and 75 from R2

More assumptions:
Round 1: Admitted ~450 ( & 75 WL)
Round 2: Admitted ~450 (Fact: includes 50 waitlisted from Round 1- This makes sense, ~90% yield so they took 50 from the WL)
(The yield will be higher because the 50 WL's who got in will have a higher yield...)

The above numbers include the 2+2 program admits (100 seats)

Round 3 & the rest of WL's: ~150 or 10% of the class as mentioned in the HBS Statement (Depending on the quality of the R3 applicants vs. WL's let's assume ~100 for R3, this means 50 potential seats for 100 WL's)


The economy is somewhat better than last year, so it's safe to assume a slightly lower yield this year. Based on the above I'll give us WL's slightly above a 50%. If you've interviewed, you're probably have a higher chance. Good luck!

PS I'm not a consultant, so feel free to have a field day with this ;)
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So you're saying that 2+2'ers who were admited 2 years ago are already included in the 450 numbers? So you're saying that approximately 400 people were admitted in each of R1 and R2 then.

The other thing is I wonder why the WL is so small this year compared with those of previous years (200-250) after R2.
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You forgot to include R1 waitlisters who were dinged in your analysis. It'll lower your WL yields to something more reasonable. Sorry to be a debbie downer!
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So you're saying that 2+2'ers who were admited 2 years ago are already included in the 450 numbers? So you're saying that approximately 400 people were admitted in each of R1 and R2 then.

The other thing is I wonder why the WL is so small this year compared with those of previous years (200-250) after R2.[/quote]

Exactly, I'm making that assumption based on the HBS update saying "90% of the class is determined by the end of R2" So it's safe to assume ~800 seats have been filled. I had no insight as to the # of WLs in previous years thanks for that.

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You forgot to include R1 waitlisters who were dinged in your analysis. It'll lower your WL yields to something more reasonable. Sorry to be a debbie downer!

Sure, some R1 WLs were Dinged. So maybe there are more WLs per round, but all the WLs got an e-mail stating that there are 100 people on the WL. So the total number of WLs is the same. Are you saying there are less open spots?
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So you're saying that 2+2'ers who were admited 2 years ago are already included in the 450 numbers? So you're saying that approximately 400 people were admitted in each of R1 and R2 then.

The other thing is I wonder why the WL is so small this year compared with those of previous years (200-250) after R2.

Exactly, I'm making that assumption based on the HBS update saying "90% of the class is determined by the end of R2" So it's safe to assume ~800 seats have been filled. I had no insight as to the # of WLs in previous years thanks for that.

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You forgot to include R1 waitlisters who were dinged in your analysis. It'll lower your WL yields to something more reasonable. Sorry to be a debbie downer!

Sure, some R1 WLs were Dinged. So maybe there are more WLs per round, but all the WLs got an e-mail stating that there are 100 people on the WL. So the total number of WLs is the same. Are you saying there are less open spots?
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I like the analysis, some more thoughts:

1. Assume 900 is the target matriculating class size this year (895 in 2005, 937 in 2011, 903 in 2012) based on 1000 admits
2. Working back from 900, 810 spots (90%) will be taken by (a) 2+2 (100), (b) R1 (355), and (c) R2 (355), which leaves only 90 spots (10%) for R3 and WLers

Question: Is this 90% too low for this year as there were no 2+2's in previous years? Also, what's the source of the 100 2+2 number, could it be higher?

Based on the above, should the number be 90 instead of 150 spots left for R3 and WLers? Obviously no idea what the % share is for each respective pool, but this is what it looks like:

- 68 R3 (75% of 90 spots); 22 WL
- 45 R3 (50% of 90 spots); 45 WL
- 23 R3 (25% of 90 spots); 67 WL

Sandy - what's your view independent of these numbers given that WL numbers from previous years were higher?
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R3 applicants can you update the google document in the 1st page with your information to keep track of all of us?
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