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hey Eddy,

I can understand your pain man. I must say that I am just as miffed at UW as you are because of their utter lack of concern for other people's problems. I have been saying a lot of things about UW in this thread but I think I have now had enough of UW. Actually I have been waiting for my I-20 to arrive so I can apply for the visa as soon as possible. I have couple of other admits from RSM and NUS and I need to decide on them pretty soon. UW has been telling me to wait for a couple of weeks more for the last 8 weeks and now they are telling me to wait for another week. I cannot afford to take the risk of not getting a visa and also having my offers from other schools being declined at the same time.

I think I will have to now give up on UW and enroll at NUS. This would be really sad because I was really for UW due to a number of reasons. Lets see what happens though but I guess what I am trying to say here is that UW really managed to piss of good candidates.
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Sorry to hear it 700.

To the other folks - This is the sort of thing I was trying to get at previously in my posts about the schools "laid back personality".
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Well its way beyond 'laid back' I must say. It's like they are trained to irritate the wits out of prospective candidates .... and only a chosen few who have nurtured their patience through meditation can treat this path of matriculating from UW.

I felt awful rejecting the admission offers from other schools I had, because they had been so nice and friendly. In fact, they sent out emails wishing me all the best with my future plans. UW (Sunni and Anna) on the other side did not even bother to respond to my email.

I see a stark difference in the administrative operations of UW and Georgia Tech... Georgia Tech keeps sending snail mails and emails to help the candidates understand the traditions and culture at Tech. They have even started a portal that is updated monthly .. kind of a 'back to school guide' .. and yes I got my I-20 3 weeks after I paid my acceptance fees !
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"laid back" was me being ironic(al?). :-D Here we have 2 candidates turning down thee school in no small part due to the less than stellar welcome wagon. bah! Get with it foster.
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westsider,

its not because of the bad welcome that I was thinking about turning down Foster. It's the situation that they have put me in that has made me feel that way. I mean I had sent in my confirmation cheque almost around 2.5 months ago hoping that I would receive my I-20 in time to apply for the visa. I had planned it that way because UW is my first choice school. I had planned that once I had the visa decision done with, I would decide on the offers from the other schools. Now due to Foster's "laid back attitude", I had to decline an offer from one school and I am now having to pay around $2000 to confirm my seat at another school so that if my visa outcome is not good then I will have atleast that school to go to. So in case, everything turns out well and I come to Foster, I will have to let go of the $2000. In essence Foster will manage to wipe out 2000$ from the $16000 it has promised me in scholarship.

Blah blah............ I must be sounding like a sorry boy huh!!! I just wanted to blurt everything out to get lighter. Afterall, we (people going to B school) out of all people should know that "Life is not fair afterall". :wink:
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Yeah 700, I am on the same page as you. If you look back a few months i got a couple of folks excited about my less than positve views on the subject :-D

Anyhow, good point about life not being fair. If it was, I wouldn't be in my current dead-end job! hahaha :lol:
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Yep, as I said to westsider before, I can't stand the complaints. These boards tend to become complaint sessions, and I don't think it is constructive at all. The blog lends to being hypercritical, intolerant, and demanding. It is the vocal minority. That is why I stopped participating in the board.

If you are going to go to your second school because of the school (not MBA) staff's delay, then that is your loss. It is not even late. Try talking to the person who has control over the paper work or finding a solution to the problem. Personally, I think that you are shooting yourself in the foot.

I am sure you will find something to complain about at the school where you end up. But, be careful because the people you will be complaining about are the same people who will be helping you later. Good luck!
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llmll,

I get your point mate!!! As I said, we out of all people should know that "Life is not fair".
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hey guys! any updates?

I just submitted a applicant update essay for my WL status. anyone decide for/against UW?
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Congratulations to all GMATClub members who will be enrolling at the UW this fall. I am a 2009 full time student and have been meaning to write a debrief on my first year for some time.

Coming from someone who just finished the first half of the program, I would like to provide some rants and raves about the Foster MBA program.

1. In line with some of the earlier posts, UW is indeed a competitive (in a collaborative sense) school. Our admissions requirements are strict and expect to come in contact with VERY bright people every day. My classmates taught me as much, if not more, than my professors over the past year. We have lawyers, engineers, entrepreneurs, linguists, even doctors in our program.

2. (Core) faculty is top brass. Our strategy professor last quarter visited from INSEAD, marketing professor hails from Kellogg and finace professor in Harvard minted. Even management is taught by staff from Stanford. I have heard that second year is hit and miss, but core classes are filled with superstars: Hill, Boulos, Fong, Turner and Koski just to name a few. Get to know your staff, take them to brunch or dinner whenever possible because these people are connected!

3. Foster on campus recruiting, especially informational interviews begin in October, so be ready to start looking for an internship early on. We are the biggest class on record (117 students) and almost everybody locked in an offer for the summer. 2nd years have landed solid roles with reputable Fortune 500 firms locally and abroad. Microsoft alone took seven students this year.

4. The Balmer building is in the process of being rebuilt and expanded to the N4 parking lot. From what I have gathered, $300M+ is being sunk into the project with state-ot-the-art facilities operational by 2012. Get ready to deal with all the jackhammers and earth-moving equiptment. I heard that you 2010s will be moved to the other side of the building to mitigate some of the construction noise.

5. Get ready to work in teams of six people. Teams are picked in advance and usually consist of one speadsheet guru, a quant jock, a marketing-presenter type, two foreign students and one "oddball." I was always the oddball, but somehow there was always a method to the madness. Some teams work great while others have friction due to whatever reasons. I pray you all get good teams, for ALL three quarters. "Aggressive Type A" teams can really bum out a great quarter unless you are solely focused on getting a 3.8.

6. Grades are on a 2.8-3.8 curve, with the mean around 3.4. Rarely does anybody get above a 3.8 or less than a 2.8, although I have heard of each. Work hard, fulfill team committments, attend class and you will pass. If you want a scholarship for 2010, then I suggest you prepare for some long nights and weekends because the case workload is overbearing for some. Then again, if programming spreadsheets and mastering the theory is your objective, then expect hansome support in your second year. BTW, not all scholarships are announced until THE WEEK BEFORE classes begin. There are several $5K nuggets that get distributed in August/September, so don't be discouraged. I got a scholarship with a 640 GMAT, so surely most of the rest of you will as well.

7. If you aren't studying with teammates or participating in club events, then get ready to socialize. UW is big on holding parties in the MBA lounge and local bars on the Avenue (even downtown). There are TG events every other Friday and pub clubs on Thursday nights.

8. Our school is VERY international, but not quite like the "micro United Nations" experience you'd get at INSEAD or Thunderbird. About 40% of the class comes from Asia, most split 50/50 between China and India. Granted we do have a strong Korean presence too. Don't expect to see any internationals from S. America or Europe, not one.

9. Live CLOSE to campus. People who have to bus in everyday from the Eastside or Lynwood spend 2+ hours commuting everyday. Busses are cheap, but they stop frequently and make sharp turns. Besides, Seattle surface streets are AWFUL and it does drizzle a lot in the fall and winter. I live in Ravenna with my wife and we pay $750/month with parking for a small, but comfortable one bedroom apartment. Comb Craigslist carefully for places within a mile of campus. Seriously, over a mile and you will be forced to ride the bus more days than not.

10. Get ready to study hard, play hard and have the time of your life. I aged a lot last year because I probably slept 4-6 hours a night consistently. There were nights when I would have given $20 for an extra hour's sleep but refused to let down team committments. You will soon find that the team comes before youself in most situations. The first quarter is exceptionally challenging because of the 3-4 hour management component that takes up Fridays. This is also the quarter loaded up with managerial econ, stats, accounting, and strategy. If you can make it throught the first quarter, then you will find that winter and spring allow for Fridays off and not quite as rigorous of a schedule.

11. Stay balanced or you will get sick, depressed, and possibly implode at times. This may sound overly dramatic, but I have witnessed multiple occurences of each of the above. For some reason though, people seem to get sick a lot during the fall quarter, so load up on multivitamins and find a way to stay healthy. We have a WORLD CLASS fitness center -- the IMA -- which offers everything from badmitting to indoor rock climbing. We also have bike trails that run adjacent to the campus and extend all the way around Lake Washington. Whatever gets your endorphines pumped, I suggest you develope a routine and stick to it. The people who seemed to handle the stress the best were all disciplined ex-military.

12. Finally, I suggest everybody who intends to matriculate to start (if you haven't already) reading Forbes, BizWeek, WSJ etc and know what is going on in the business world. The first question out of most prof's at 8am is "what is happening in the world of business today?" I suppose that goes without saying, but make sure you understand the bigger picture.

Welcome week (including Jump Start) was by far one of the most exciting times of the program. There are so many cool things going on at once and you don't officially start classes until nearly October. Whatever you do, don't miss the gambling cruise with free drinks and entertainment.

Best of luck all and let me know if I can be of further assistance.

GMATT

@Praet: Sorry for the late response, I have been busting ass getting by one day at a time.
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thanks for the update. It looks like you had worked hard and also had a lot of fun.

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Congratulations to all GMATClub members who will be enrolling at the UW this fall. I am a 2009 full time student and have been meaning to write a debrief on my first year for some time.

@Praet: Sorry for the late response, I have been busting ass getting by one day at a time.
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Amazing inputs given by GMATT73. U covered every aspect of the life at the UW from studies to social life to networking. I guess everybody who got admitted to the UW will have a fair enough idea of what all is instored for us once we enter the premisis of the UW.

GMATT73, few questions which comes to my mind are :
1. What all preparations one has to do before entering a b-school. I mean wt all courses, if any, do u suggest, apart from reading Forbes, BizWeek, WSJ etc, which we should be equpped with ??
2. Are international students facing problems getting interships or jobs because of this recession or everythin depends on the networking skills ??
3. Wt are the chances of getting a TA in the first or second year ??

Thanx
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Hey GMATT73,

Like all your other posts, this one was also top of the line. Like raghav said you have covered all aspects of the school and have given us a very good window into what life at the Foster MBA is going to be like. As always, I salute you and thank you for the wonderfully detailed post. I am a bit scared about the aging part at Foster because I am generally conscious about that. I hope that my yoga will help me avoid it a little bit.
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Amazing inputs given by GMATT73. U covered every aspect of the life at the UW from studies to social life to networking. I guess everybody who got admitted to the UW will have a fair enough idea of what all is instored for us once we enter the premisis of the UW.

GMATT73, few questions which comes to my mind are :
1. What all preparations one has to do before entering a b-school. I mean wt all courses, if any, do u suggest, apart from reading Forbes, BizWeek, WSJ etc, which we should be equpped with ??
2. Are international students facing problems getting interships or jobs because of this recession or everythin depends on the networking skills ??
3. Wt are the chances of getting a TA in the first or second year ??

Thanx
Raghav

hey raghav,

although you have posted the questions to GMATT73 I think I can be of some help with your second question about the recruitment scene for the internationals. I will post an email that Dan Poston at UW wrote back to me about my queries regarding the same. I think it is very forthright and gives a glimpse about what we as internationals can expect at UW. As for the other questions, I hope GMATT73 finds time to reply because he seems to be keeping a really busy schedule.

Dear Shashwat,
Please forgive my delay in responding, but I did not want to answer until I had time to give you a very considered response. As in my newsletter message, I will be very forthright. The post-MBA career goals you discussed in your application are a bit broader than what you describe below. Let me start by talking about consulting specifically, then address the somewhat broader goals of your application essays. From my experience, only 2-3 MBA programs can gain you serious consideration at an international consulting firm based on the school name alone. I would say those schools are Harvard and Stanford, maybe Chicago or Northwestern. That is my own opinion. Even then, and in all other cases, the school name must be supplemented by many other things in your background and your professional qualities that you personally possess. You should know that about one-third of all the applications we receive (and most top schools receive) from applicants in India, Nepal, China, Korea, and many other parts of the world, the candidates say they hope the MBA degree will lead them to a position in a top international consulting firm. In short, the competition is not just high, it is enormous. Candidates think, "If I could just earn an MBA from XXX school I'll be a viable candidate with the very best firms," but so much more is involved. The firms can be exceptionally selective on many, many dimensions. That a candidate comes from a solid MBA program will be only one of those important dimensions. The consulting firm will also look for truly exceptional language ability (speaking English exactly like a U.S. or U.K. native), exceptional analytical skills, and professionalism. The firms will look at candidate's resume for hints that past educational experience and employment experience have developed the person to this very high level. In addition to a great MBA program, firms also like to see world class undergraduate schools on the resume and work experience at internationally recognized companies like IBM, Credit Suisse, or Nestle. So when a school says, "Go to our program because we have sent people to McKinsey or Bain," that does not mean that by going to that school, you will get into those firms. It means there were people from that school, who had the right total combination of things that gave them a chance with McKinsey or Bain. Probably there were many others with the same school on a resume who did not have all the other important factors and qualities required. This is a prestige-driven industry and prestige and style in all ways, not just school name, will help and will matter in the employment game. In your application however, you expressed interest in a broader set of consulting and global corporate positions. The positions with the biggest name consulting firms are few and finite relative to the global interest. However in other areas, the demand is exploding and the opportunities are frankly astounding. In reality, of that one-third of MBA applicants who say they want a job with one of the top consulting firms most will certainly decide to pursue other careers in other types of consulting or with other types of global companies where they have a better fit. Most consultants in the world do not work for the top 3-5 firms. Most consultants work for more specialized firms focused on particular industries, functions or regions. An enormous number of new firms have emerged serving corporations in the economies your mention below - India a China. These firms are less concerned with the academic pedigree of all your schools, and more concerned about your ability to speak different regional languages and dialects and your ability to handle work in very specific functional areas or industries. Jobs with this type of firm are soaring. In most cases, having an excellent education in your home country and having an MBA from a reputable school (doesn't need to be even as well known as Univ of Washington) will carry someone a long way if that person can bring a type of knowledge and skill set that is in high demand. Given your work exp to date, you probably already know what kind of knowledge and capabililties are now in very high demand in India and China. Still more of our MBA graduates from India and China are being employed by international companies that are expanding operations in those countries or who are doing a great deal of business with growing local companies. These international firms are searching the world to find the right new employees to manage the growth opportunities. A person from these regions educated with an MBA in the U.S. is very desirable because he or she has a good grasp of the regional culture and business practices, but also an MBA graduate's understanding of the U.S. and global business practices that guide many of the company's decisions. This is why MBA employment for students from outside the U.S. continues to be so strong at all U.S. MBA programs. My career services director just told yesterday at this point among June 2008 graduates we have only domestic students still looking for a job! The international students are set. Ultimately, you must ask yourself, "Why would someone hire me as a consultant or an employee?" If you believe it will be because you have an MBA from this school or that school, you are dreaming. There are hundreds and hundreds more of such eager, brilliant, young MBAs from great schools than could possibly be employed in two years by a handful of firms. It also cannot be because you think you will study harder, learn more, work harder, be more impressive in an interview, or show more passion to the recruiter. Hundreds of other MBA graduates will offer the same qualities. I believe you create the most opportunity for yourself if you find a way to distinguish yourself beyond external qualities (school, past employer) and generic attributes (eager, hard working.) You must develop unique qualities and characteristics and then find the right employer who really wants exactly the qualities and characteristics that you possess. This sounds difficult, but many of my UW MBA students do it every year. I hope this is helpful. I know it is not what one typically hears from MBA admissions staff. Much easier to say "Whatever you want, you can find it here." Schools routinely point to particular student examples of success knowing that applicants will generalize those examples to themselves. Also, MBA candidates focus intensely on about 10-15 career paths when MBA graduates actually land jobs in hundreds of different types of work. There is much more to all of this than it seems at the beginning. I hope you have many options to consider. I wish you well as you weigh your choices, not only in selecting an MBA program, but later in your post-MBA employment. If I can help more, please ask any time. Good luck.


Raghav, this mail was sent on March 21st 2008. I don't know whether I am being ethical in sharing this mail publicly but if I can be of any help then so be it. It was very helpful for me so I am hoping it helps you. All the best with everything.
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fantastic post 700!
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Anyone considering PT Foster?

Initially I applied to the PT program to appease my biz partners, but knowing that a career transition was pretty likely post mba. But after being admitted last week, a thought crossed my mind: much like a first year mba student who has many employers open their doors to summer work, part-timers must have many of the same employment opportunities.

So why not take advantage of it? Why not try to leverage my UW acceptance to transition to another job and spend the next three years in the classroom, but also “interning?” (note that I’m using interning to define transitional work experience, not in job title or function)

And for those of us who don’t have 21k in savings, the financial picture looks a bit nicer too! ;)

Any thoughts on this? I mean, putting PT MBA candidate on the resume can only help right? I’m tossing out some resumes and talking to some folks, trying to gage what is available—because best case scenario is landing that job that would have been a summer internship, but now instead is full-time year round.

Anyone having similar thoughts?
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also, since i got WL'd at the full time program, i thought it would be pretty funny to write an "applicant update" essay telling them about my recent success getting admitted to the part time program! :)
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