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Unlike transplants between identical twins, whose genetic endowment is the same, all patients receiving hearts of other organs must take antirejection drugs for the rest of their lives.

A. Unlike transplants between identical twins, whose genetic endowment is the same
B. Besides transplants involving identical twins with the same genetic endowment
C. Unless the transplant involves identical twins who have the same genetic endowment
D. Aside from a transplant between identical twins with the same genetic endowment
E. Other than transplants between identical twins, whose genetic endowment is the same


In A and B, the phrases beginning Unlike and Besides modify patients, the subject of the main clause; thus A absurdly states that Unlike transplants, patients must take drugs, and B that all patients except for transplants must take drugs.

In B and D the expression identical twins with the same genetic endowment wrongly suggests that only some identical twin pairs are genetically identical.

In E, the construction Other than transplants, all patients must take drugs illogically suggests, as in B, that some patients are transplants.

Choice C, the best answer, solves these problems by using a clause introduces by Unless to describe the exception to the rule and a nonrestrictive clause beginning with who to describe the characteristic attributed to all identical twins.

Answer: C.


Hello Bunuel,

Could you please elaborate the difference between the usage of "with" and "who" as modifiers here.

I fail to understand how the usage of "with" and "who" who render different meaning to the above sentence.

For instance,

The man with 5 candles.
The man who has 5 candles.

I don't think the above 2 sentences imply a different meaning.

Many thanks :-)
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Unlike transplants between identical twins, whose genetic endowment is the same, all patients receiving hearts of other organs must take antirejection drugs for the rest of their lives.

A. Unlike transplants between identical twins, whose genetic endowment is the same
B. Besides transplants involving identical twins with the same genetic endowment
C. Unless the transplant involves identical twins who have the same genetic endowment
D. Aside from a transplant between identical twins with the same genetic endowment
E. Other than transplants between identical twins, whose genetic endowment is the same



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many modifier refer to a noun and modify the total sentence.

when refering to a noun, modifier must do so logically
when modifying a sentence, the modifier must do so logically

besides,aside from, +noun refer to patients. this is not logic.
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The basic take - away from this topic is that, whenever a modifier starts a sentence, it is an adjectival modifier, that has to compulsorily modify the noun that lies just after. The adjectival modifier is always a phrase rather than a clause. In the given case, choices A, B, D, and E use adjectival phrases to introduce their sentences (note the absence of any verb in any of these four introducers). On the contrary, the choice C is a complex sentence with a subordinate clause followed by the main clause. In a complex sentence, there is no modification relation between the two clauses, since both are clauses with their own verbs. That is the reason that C stands out from the rest.
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Good Question. Check for Comparison between patients and any other living being which is stated only in Statement C.
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Unlike transplants between identical twins, whose genetic endowment is the same, all patients receiving hearts of other organs must take antirejection drugs for the rest of their lives.

A. Unlike transplants between identical twins, whose genetic endowment is the same
B. Besides transplants involving identical twins with the same genetic endowment
C. Unless the transplant involves identical twins who have the same genetic endowment
D. Aside from a transplant between identical twins with the same genetic endowment
E. Other than transplants between identical twins, whose genetic endowment is the same


In A and B, the phrases beginning Unlike and Besides modify patients, the subject of the main clause; thus A absurdly states that Unlike transplants, patients must take drugs, and B that all patients except for transplants must take drugs.

In B and D the expression identical twins with the same genetic endowment wrongly suggests that only some identical twin pairs are genetically identical.

In E, the construction Other than transplants, all patients must take drugs illogically suggests, as in B, that some patients are transplants.

Choice C, the best answer, solves these problems by using a clause introduces by Unless to describe the exception to the rule and a nonrestrictive clause beginning with who to describe the characteristic attributed to all identical twins.

Answer: C.


Bunuel,

The use of "who" in option C refers to "those identical twins who have the same genetic endowment", as if there were other twins who did not have the same genetic endowment. However, the logical and intended meaning is that "all identical twins have the same genetic endowment".

Therefore, even if option C is the correct answer, I believe that it still has an error in it.
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Unlike transplants between identical twins, whose genetic endowment is the same, all patients receiving hearts or other organs must take antirejection drugs for the rest of their lives.
(A) Unlike transplants between identical twins, whose genetic endowment is the same
(B) Besides transplants involving identical twins with the same genetic endowment
(C) Unless the transplant involves identical twins who have the same genetic endowment
(D) Aside from a transplant between identical twins with the same genetic endowment
(E) Other than transplants between identical twins, whose genetic endowment is the same


This is the OA:

In A and B, the phrases beginning Unlike and Besides modify patients, the subject of the main In A and B, the phrases beginning Unlike and Besides modify patients, the subject of the main clause; thus A absurdly states that Unlike transplants, patients must take drugs, and B that all patients except for transplants must take drugs. In B and D the expression identical twins with the same genetic endowment wrongly suggests that only some identical twin pairs are genetically identical. In E, the construction Other than transplants, all patients must take drugs illogically suggests, as in B, that some patients are transplants. Choice C, the best answer, solves these problems by using a clause introduces by Unless to describe the exception to the rule and a nonrestrictive clause beginning with who to describe the characteristic attributed to all identical twins.


The use of "who" in option C refers to "those identical twins who have the same genetic endowment", as if there were other twins who did not have the same genetic endowment. However, the logical and intended meaning is that "all identical twins have the same genetic endowment".

Therefore, even if option C is the correct answer, I believe that it still has an error in it.

Can any expert please comment on this observation?
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Unlike transplants between identical twins, whose genetic endowment is the same, all patients receiving hearts of other organs must take antirejection drugs for the rest of their lives.

A. Unlike transplants between identical twins, whose genetic endowment is the same
B. Besides transplants involving identical twins with the same genetic endowment
C. Unless the transplant involves identical twins who have the same genetic endowment
D. Aside from a transplant between identical twins with the same genetic endowment
E. Other than transplants between identical twins, whose genetic endowment is the same

IMO, it is too much hair-splitting to worry whether the relative pronoun ‘who’ and the adverbial 'with' refer to the identical twins that have the same genome or not. For Our SC purpose, we can take so that the relative pronoun ‘who’ does refer to all identical twins. The gist of the topic is that when an organ transplant is undergone, the identical twins are better placed than other mortals are.

Because the latest research (as latest as 2008) shows that, the so-called identical twins can differ in their genetic make-up. Pl. link to the reference below.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... identical/

Since scientific community itself is caught at cross-roads, we can ignore it I believe. There are solid other reasons of faulty comparison to dispense with A, B , D and E.

The official explanation for rejecting B and D seems rather differing.
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Unlike transplants between identical twins, whose genetic endowment is the same, all patients receiving hearts of other organs must take antirejection drugs for the rest of their lives.

A. Unlike transplants between identical twins, whose genetic endowment is the same
B. Besides transplants involving identical twins with the same genetic endowment
C. Unless the transplant involves identical twins who have the same genetic endowment
D. Aside from a transplant between identical twins with the same genetic endowment
E. Other than transplants between identical twins, whose genetic endowment is the same


In A and B, the phrases beginning Unlike and Besides modify patients, the subject of the main clause; thus A absurdly states that Unlike transplants, patients must take drugs, and B that all patients except for transplants must take drugs.

In B and D the expression identical twins with the same genetic endowment wrongly suggests that only some identical twin pairs are genetically identical.

In E, the construction Other than transplants, all patients must take drugs illogically suggests, as in B, that some patients are transplants.

Choice C, the best answer, solves these problems by using a clause introduces by Unless to describe the exception to the rule and a nonrestrictive clause beginning with who to describe the characteristic attributed to all identical twins.

Answer: C.


Bunuel,

The use of "who" in option C refers to "those identical twins who have the same genetic endowment", as if there were other twins who did not have the same genetic endowment. However, the logical and intended meaning is that "all identical twins have the same genetic endowment".

Therefore, even if option C is the correct answer, I believe that it still has an error in it.


A comma before "who" would solve the issue you mentioned (making the succeeding modifier non-essential). However as daagh sir has pointed out, it is probably unnecessary to analyze that point in order to arrive at the correct option.
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906. Unlike transplants between identical twins, whose genetic endowment is the same, all patients receiving hearts or other organs must take antirejection drugs for the rest of their lives.

(A) Unlike transplants between identical twins, whose genetic endowment is the same
(B) Besides transplants involving identical twins with the same genetic endowment
(C) Unless the transplant involves identical twins who have the same genetic endowment
(D) Aside from a transplant between identical twins with the same genetic endowment
(E) Other than transplants between identical twins, whose genetic endowment is the same


Hi Experts,

egmat, mikemcgarry, sayantanc2k

I want to thoroughly understand the difference between the usage of with and who here:

(B) Besides transplants involving identical twins with the same genetic endowment
(C) Unless the transplant involves identical twins who have the same genetic endowment

Please help :)
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906. Unlike transplants between identical twins, whose genetic endowment is the same, all patients receiving hearts or other organs must take antirejection drugs for the rest of their lives.

(A) Unlike transplants between identical twins, whose genetic endowment is the same
(B) Besides transplants involving identical twins with the same genetic endowment
(C) Unless the transplant involves identical twins who have the same genetic endowment
(D) Aside from a transplant between identical twins with the same genetic endowment
(E) Other than transplants between identical twins, whose genetic endowment is the same


Hi Experts,

egmat, mikemcgarry, sayantanc2k

I want to thoroughly understand the difference between the usage of with and who here:

(B) Besides transplants involving identical twins with the same genetic endowment
(C) Unless the transplant involves identical twins who have the same genetic endowment

Please help :)


Elaborating on my confusion and some analysis i did:

Here is the official explanation:
You answered "Unless the transplant involves identical twins who have the same genetic endowment" and that's correct because:
In A and B, the phrases beginning Unlike… and Besides… modify patients, the subject of the main clause; thus A absurdly states that Unlike transplants…, patients…must take…drugs, and B that all patients except for transplants…must take… drugs. In B and D the expression identical twins with the same genetic endowment wrongly suggests that only some identical twin pairs are genetically identical. In E, the construction Other than transplants…, all patients… must take… drugs illogically suggests, as in B, that some patients are transplants. Choice C, the best answer, solves these problems by using a clause introduces by Unless to describe the exception to the rule and a nonrestrictive clause beginning with who to describe the characteristic attributed to all identical twins.

Confusion and Analysis:
As it looks like both of the following have the same meaning, I got confused by the explanation (highlighted), especially for choice correct choice C in which who is termed as nonrestrictive).
(B) Besides transplants involving identical twins with the same genetic endowment
(C) Unless the transplant involves identical twins who have the same genetic endowment

I found one of RON's posts in which he mentions that for "a nonrestrictive clause beginning with who to describe the characteristic attributed to all identical twins." to be true there has to be a comma before "who" in choice . here is the link: https://www.manhattanprep.com/gmat/forums/restrictive-vs-non-restrictive-t25787.html#p96242
Yes that's the concept we have learned about norestrictive or nonessential modifiers.

BUT when i looked up meaning of "who" that says - "used to introduce a clause giving further information about a person or people previously mentioned."
Now this seems to confirm that no comma is required and given official explanation is correct.

I need Experts' opinion on my understanding.

Thanks :)
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906. Unlike transplants between identical twins, whose genetic endowment is the same, all patients receiving hearts or other organs must take antirejection drugs for the rest of their lives.

(A) Unlike transplants between identical twins, whose genetic endowment is the same
(B) Besides transplants involving identical twins with the same genetic endowment
(C) Unless the transplant involves identical twins who have the same genetic endowment
(D) Aside from a transplant between identical twins with the same genetic endowment
(E) Other than transplants between identical twins, whose genetic endowment is the same


Hi Experts,

egmat, mikemcgarry, sayantanc2k

I want to thoroughly understand the difference between the usage of with and who here:

(B) Besides transplants involving identical twins with the same genetic endowment
(C) Unless the transplant involves identical twins who have the same genetic endowment

Please help :)


Elaborating on my confusion and some analysis i did:

Here is the official explanation:
You answered "Unless the transplant involves identical twins who have the same genetic endowment" and that's correct because:
In A and B, the phrases beginning Unlike… and Besides… modify patients, the subject of the main clause; thus A absurdly states that Unlike transplants…, patients…must take…drugs, and B that all patients except for transplants…must take… drugs. In B and D the expression identical twins with the same genetic endowment wrongly suggests that only some identical twin pairs are genetically identical. In E, the construction Other than transplants…, all patients… must take… drugs illogically suggests, as in B, that some patients are transplants. Choice C, the best answer, solves these problems by using a clause introduces by Unless to describe the exception to the rule and a nonrestrictive clause beginning with who to describe the characteristic attributed to all identical twins.

Confusion and Analysis:
As it looks like both of the following have the same meaning, I got confused by the explanation (highlighted), especially for choice correct choice C in which who is termed as nonrestrictive).
(B) Besides transplants involving identical twins with the same genetic endowment
(C) Unless the transplant involves identical twins who have the same genetic endowment

I found one of RON's posts in which he mentions that for "a nonrestrictive clause beginning with who to describe the characteristic attributed to all identical twins." to be true there has to be a comma before "who" in choice . here is the link: https://www.manhattanprep.com/gmat/forums/restrictive-vs-non-restrictive-t25787.html#p96242
Yes that's the concept we have learned about norestrictive or nonessential modifiers.

BUT when i looked up meaning of "who" that says - "used to introduce a clause giving further information about a person or people previously mentioned."
Now this seems to confirm that no comma is required and given official explanation is correct.

I need Experts' opinion on my understanding.

Thanks :)


Your understdning is absolutely correct: "with" and "who have" (without comma) convey the same meaning (a subgroup of twins).
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"unlike", besides", unless, aside, other than turn the meaning of the sentence into different way.
Only C has the original meaning.
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