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Upset by the litter around her neighborhood, the idea of after-school cleanups were substitutes for detention by Jane.


(A) the idea of after-school cleanups were substitutes for detention by Jane

(B) after-school cleanups were ideas for substitution for detention suggested by Jane

(C) Jane suggested the after-school cleanup as a substitute for detention

(D) Jane suggested that detention be substituted as after-school cleanups

(E) the after-school cleanup was suggested to be a substitute for detention by Jane
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Re: Upset by the litter around her neighborhood, the idea of after-school [#permalink] New post  30 Aug 2018, 01:45
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There's no such thing as a subjunctive verb. The subjunctive mood is a form used to convey certain meanings. If the thing someone is suggesting/demanding/requiring etc. is a clause or an action that is performed on an object, we use the subjunctive:

I suggest that you wear sunscreen.
The protesters demanded that the statue be removed.

If the thing we're suggesting/demanding/etc. is just a noun, the subjunctive is not used:

They suggested a surprise party.
I demand a raise.
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Re: Upset by the litter around her neighborhood, the idea of after-school [#permalink] New post  Updated on: 30 Aug 2018, 02:30
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Upset by the litter around her neighborhood, the idea of after-school cleanups were substitutes for detention by Jane.


(A) the idea of after-school cleanups were substitutes for detention by Jane

(B) after-school cleanups were ideas for substitution for detention suggested by Jane

(C) Jane suggested the after-school cleanup as a substitute for detention

(D) Jane suggested that detention be substituted as after-school cleanups

(E) the after-school cleanup was suggested to be a substitute for detention by Jane
Who is upset?
Jane
Eliminate A, B, E

Suggest is a subjunctive mood indicator - - - > can use subjunctive but D uses wrong meaning. We want to substitute detention with clean ups and not vice versa

Answer seems C

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Re: Upset by the litter around her neighborhood, the idea of after-school [#permalink] New post  29 Aug 2018, 22:28
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Upset by the litter around her neighborhood, the idea of after-school cleanups were substitutes for detention by Jane.


(A) the idea of after-school cleanups were substitutes for detention by Jane

(B) after-school cleanups were ideas for substitution for detention suggested by Jane

(C) Jane suggested the after-school cleanup as a substitute for detention

(D) Jane suggested that detention be substituted as after-school cleanups

(E) the after-school cleanup was suggested to be a substitute for detention by Jane


+1 for D


(A) the idea of after-school cleanups were substitutes for detention by Jane

(B) after-school cleanups were ideas for substitution for detention suggested by Jane

(C) Jane suggested the after-school cleanup as a substitute for detention

(D) Jane suggested that detention be substituted as after-school cleanups --> Pronoun 'her' is closer to Jane. Subjunctive word 'Suggested' takes the word 'be' correctly

(E) the after-school cleanup was suggested to be a substitute for detention by Jane
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Re: Upset by the litter around her neighborhood, the idea of after-school [#permalink] New post  29 Aug 2018, 22:54
OA is given as C .
Does 'suggest' does not always need a 'That' after it as it gives a subjective mood ?
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Re: Upset by the litter around her neighborhood, the idea of after-school [#permalink] New post  29 Aug 2018, 23:23
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OA is given as C .
Does 'suggest' does not always need a 'That' after it as it gives a subjective mood ?


i think you are right, in that the ans is c
and no suggest does not always need to be followed by "that". it can be also used as a non subjunctive verb
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Re: Upset by the litter around her neighborhood, the idea of after-school [#permalink] New post  30 Aug 2018, 00:04
As per subjunctive verbs, suggest should be followed by that + subject+ verb (helping verbs -onlg be)

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Re: Upset by the litter around her neighborhood, the idea of after-school [#permalink] New post  30 Aug 2018, 00:25
Well suggest is definitely a verb that CAN be used in the subjunctive form. This doesn't mean that the verb is used only as a subjective

For eg-the word "demand" is also a verb that can be used in the subjunctive form and also without.

"he demands more"

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Re: Upset by the litter around her neighborhood, the idea of after-school [#permalink] New post  30 Aug 2018, 01:46
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Re: Upset by the litter around her neighborhood, the idea of after-school [#permalink] New post  30 Aug 2018, 02:02
DmitryFarber wrote:
There's no such thing as a subjunctive verb. The subjunctive mood is a form used to convey certain meanings. If the thing someone is suggesting/demanding/requiring etc. is a clause or an action that is performed on an object, we use the subjunctive:

I suggest that you wear sunscreen.
The protesters demanded that the statue be removed.

If the thing we're suggesting/demanding/etc. is just a noun, the subjunctive is not used:

They suggested a surprise party.
I demand a raise.


Is the answer c, then? As it uses the correct idiom for substitute

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Re: Upset by the litter around her neighborhood, the idea of after-school [#permalink] New post  30 Aug 2018, 02:28
Does anyone know what the idioms for 'substitute are?
The one that I know is substitute x for y. Is "substitute as" valid?
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Re: Upset by the litter around her neighborhood, the idea of after-school [#permalink] New post  30 Aug 2018, 09:06
DmitryFarber wrote:
By the way, this question is definitely not one of ours. It's from Manhattan Review.


Sorry my mistake , Manhattan -Manhattan so tagged it .
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Re: Upset by the litter around her neighborhood, the idea of after-school [#permalink] New post  30 Aug 2018, 09:18
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Upset by the litter around her neighborhood, the idea of after-school cleanups were substitutes for detention by Jane.


(A) the idea of after-school cleanups were substitutes for detention by Jane

(B) after-school cleanups were ideas for substitution for detention suggested by Jane

(C) Jane suggested the after-school cleanup as a substitute for detention

(D) Jane suggested that detention be substituted as after-school cleanups - C better

(E) the after-school cleanup was suggested to be a substitute for detention by Jane


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Upset by the litter around her neighborhood, the idea of after-school [#permalink] New post  06 Sep 2018, 09:04
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Explanation:

This is clearly a question of a dangling modifier. Who or what was upset by the litter? Jane. Therefore, Jane should go immediately after the comma, otherwise the sentence implies that something or someone else was upset by the litter. That leaves us with choices C and D. Choice D changes the meaning and sounds like detention is favored. The word ‘as’ in D is also incorrect. The correct expression is ‘substituted for’. Choice C is the correct answer.
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