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Hello there,
First of all, thank you for taking the time to evaluate my profile. My main question is:
How will quitting my consulting job after 3 years to teach English and get involved with start-up's in Europe affect my chances at top European MBA's?
Stats
New York University '12, Economics major, 3.4 GPA
GMAT yet taken, but aiming for 700-730 (got a 2140 on my SAT's so figured that is a good range to aim)
2.5 years at a boutique supply chain/cost-reduction consulting firm
Native fluency in English and Mandarin Chinese
Current Age: 24
Plan to apply either Fall of 2015 or 2016
Background/personal story
My focus is on international and global experience. Born in Taiwan, I moved to the East Coast when I was in elementary school. Always traveled back and forth due to family so I grew up with a very international-oriented focus. I attended NYU and studied abroad in Shanghai and Tokyo. I had a Marketing internship at a global fruits company while in Shanghai and also wrote an Economics paper on Chinese domestic consumption oversaw by a McKinsey consultant. In Tokyo, I had a internship with a consumer insights boutique that wrote reports for Western companies about the Chinese market. In addition, I've also had a CPG Marketing internship in Taipei.
For the past 2.5 years, I've worked very closely with high level stakeholders of 5 well known American companies, and have just been promoted to a Senior Associate Consultant
Post B-School Goals: International business role with base in Europe
- example 1: corporate strategy or marketing role at a European multi-national looking to expand into Asia or America
- example 2: Operations or Marketing at a start-up in Europe
- example 3: Management consulting in Europe
Why Europe?
Clearly, I have many experiences in Asia and America. From a personal growth perspective, it is my goal to have a holistic understanding of societies in Asia, America, and Europe. Given that Europe is a hodge podge of such a varying mix of cultures, societies, political and economic systems, I view it as critical for my understanding of development of societies. Some questions that I want to solve by experience living in:
1. what does the transition from a planned economy to a market economy look like?
2. how does Northern Europe achieve such prosperous, harmonious, and happy societies?
3. how did traditional Southern European powers decline?
Sure these are all questions that can be answered on paper and on the internet, but I'm a boots on the ground type of guy.
Ultimately, I can not pinpoint a concrete business idea or job/industry/role that this experience will bring me in the long run, but it's clear to me that when I am immersed in a foreign environment, my brain is engaged. I have creative parallel ideas and insights shooting off left and right. If I had to guess, the end product 20 years down the line will probably something related to my home - Taiwan. Maybe it will be leading a Taiwanese company into the European/American market, or bridging cultural connections between the Taiwanese and other countries, or maybe something related to Education.
What I plan on doing in Europe
- Teaching English - it's a very close way to learn and understand a society as it's direct interaction students, parents, schools, other educators, etc. In addition, it will certainly bring more experience to my least polished profession skill - presentation skills. Most English teaching jobs I believe do not require more than 20 hours a week, which means I can ...
- Be involved in a start-up - I don't plan on finding a "job" at a start-up as it would complicate the visa situation since I'd be getting paid. If I offer to help out at a start-up for free, given my experience, I find it hard to imagine start-up's would turn free help from an experience business consultant down.
I would basically combine teaching english, which gives me experience to be close to the people, and start-up, which gives me experiences to business activity and actually participating in the market.
Bringing it all back
I think it is useful to separate this move into:
1. Impact on my personal development:
2. Impact on my business school admission profile
There is zero question that I will benefit tremendously from an intellectual, future goal discovery, and experience collecting perspective. However, I look at business school, especially a European one, as quite an important part of my future as it will give me:
1. Formal degree that opens the European and global business door
2. Rock solid European networks
3. Formal education on European business
These are pretty hard to come by without an MBA, especially for an Asian American with little ties to Europe.
How will this move, which takes out 2-3 years of formal business experience as an American consultant working with high brand name clients, impact my probability at landing an acceptance at schools such as LBS, Insead, IESE, and HEC?
Thanks for your help,
First of all, thank you for taking the time to evaluate my profile. My main question is:
How will quitting my consulting job after 3 years to teach English and get involved with start-up's in Europe affect my chances at top European MBA's?
Stats
New York University '12, Economics major, 3.4 GPA
GMAT yet taken, but aiming for 700-730 (got a 2140 on my SAT's so figured that is a good range to aim)
2.5 years at a boutique supply chain/cost-reduction consulting firm
Native fluency in English and Mandarin Chinese
Current Age: 24
Plan to apply either Fall of 2015 or 2016
Background/personal story
My focus is on international and global experience. Born in Taiwan, I moved to the East Coast when I was in elementary school. Always traveled back and forth due to family so I grew up with a very international-oriented focus. I attended NYU and studied abroad in Shanghai and Tokyo. I had a Marketing internship at a global fruits company while in Shanghai and also wrote an Economics paper on Chinese domestic consumption oversaw by a McKinsey consultant. In Tokyo, I had a internship with a consumer insights boutique that wrote reports for Western companies about the Chinese market. In addition, I've also had a CPG Marketing internship in Taipei.
For the past 2.5 years, I've worked very closely with high level stakeholders of 5 well known American companies, and have just been promoted to a Senior Associate Consultant
Post B-School Goals: International business role with base in Europe
- example 1: corporate strategy or marketing role at a European multi-national looking to expand into Asia or America
- example 2: Operations or Marketing at a start-up in Europe
- example 3: Management consulting in Europe
Why Europe?
Clearly, I have many experiences in Asia and America. From a personal growth perspective, it is my goal to have a holistic understanding of societies in Asia, America, and Europe. Given that Europe is a hodge podge of such a varying mix of cultures, societies, political and economic systems, I view it as critical for my understanding of development of societies. Some questions that I want to solve by experience living in:
1. what does the transition from a planned economy to a market economy look like?
2. how does Northern Europe achieve such prosperous, harmonious, and happy societies?
3. how did traditional Southern European powers decline?
Sure these are all questions that can be answered on paper and on the internet, but I'm a boots on the ground type of guy.
Ultimately, I can not pinpoint a concrete business idea or job/industry/role that this experience will bring me in the long run, but it's clear to me that when I am immersed in a foreign environment, my brain is engaged. I have creative parallel ideas and insights shooting off left and right. If I had to guess, the end product 20 years down the line will probably something related to my home - Taiwan. Maybe it will be leading a Taiwanese company into the European/American market, or bridging cultural connections between the Taiwanese and other countries, or maybe something related to Education.
What I plan on doing in Europe
- Teaching English - it's a very close way to learn and understand a society as it's direct interaction students, parents, schools, other educators, etc. In addition, it will certainly bring more experience to my least polished profession skill - presentation skills. Most English teaching jobs I believe do not require more than 20 hours a week, which means I can ...
- Be involved in a start-up - I don't plan on finding a "job" at a start-up as it would complicate the visa situation since I'd be getting paid. If I offer to help out at a start-up for free, given my experience, I find it hard to imagine start-up's would turn free help from an experience business consultant down.
I would basically combine teaching english, which gives me experience to be close to the people, and start-up, which gives me experiences to business activity and actually participating in the market.
Bringing it all back
I think it is useful to separate this move into:
1. Impact on my personal development:
2. Impact on my business school admission profile
There is zero question that I will benefit tremendously from an intellectual, future goal discovery, and experience collecting perspective. However, I look at business school, especially a European one, as quite an important part of my future as it will give me:
1. Formal degree that opens the European and global business door
2. Rock solid European networks
3. Formal education on European business
These are pretty hard to come by without an MBA, especially for an Asian American with little ties to Europe.
How will this move, which takes out 2-3 years of formal business experience as an American consultant working with high brand name clients, impact my probability at landing an acceptance at schools such as LBS, Insead, IESE, and HEC?
Thanks for your help,
14 Jan 2015, 07:42
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NYC471
Hey there,
Super long post there, dude... but that's how I like it... detail-filled.
So first of all, I like what you write.. not just WHAT but also HOW. It's nice to read that your experience with learning, with developing yourself, with the world is more important than your professional experience. It gives a sense of both place and vision which I think the business schools will like.
To answer your main question directly, if you can hit the GMAT in the range you have proposed I think you'll do fine at top European business schools. You might like INSEAD the most cause it really lays on the axis of your Europe/Asia goals... so it's kind of a perfect fit. But any of the other top schools would be just as good.
The only disadvantage I can see here is that for the moment you are a biiit young for Euro programs - the average age at INSEAD is like 29-30. But then again, if you wait till September to apply, that'll make you 26 by matriculation, which will be fine. and if you wait till 2016, then for sure.
I think any of your Post-MBA goals could work. One might be a bit better than the other when you get down to the detail.... but basically "A high-level consultant who can work in three continents" would fit you mighty well.
There was one thing I didn't entirely get - your plan to teach English? Where and actually when should that come in? And how does it fit with your plan? For me, it makes more sense that you continue working till you apply, and then after you graduate, get a job in Europe, rather than taking a tangent into English teaching (although you could do that too, I suppose).
Other than that, things look good.
Let me know if you have any other questions.
Best,
JF
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Hey Jon,
Thanks for the response!
I apologize in advance for another long post, but I hope at least it's interest and different from the other posts!
In regards to your question of why I want to quit my job to teach English in Europe:
1. I want to quit my job because I'm not interested in the functional expertise my firm specializes in - My firm focuses on Procurement consulting. Similar to AT Kearney, Accenture's Procurement practice, etc. Impact is high, yes, we save our clients lots of money and establish better process for them moving forward, all that good stuff. However, procurement as a functional practice and saving large organizations money really is just not my passion. I can not picture myself doing this kind of pure cost-cutting engagement for the next 3 years (if I were to apply fall 2016).
2. I want to move to Europe now and teach English because - I've been in New York for 7 years now, and as someone who is global-minded and seeks a unique life experience and business experience in Europe, I want to follow the path that I know will give me such experiences. Staying at my nice cushy consulting job for the next three years is comfortable, but boring and predictable. Three years of my 20's is high cost. I am certain if I moved to Europe to teach English and try to get into the start-up scene, I will face significant challenges and I will be living life more on the edge, giving me different perspectives and insights about life in general.
Now, specifically why teaching English?
1. Easy visa - As an American citizen I can't really think of another way to get myself to Europe now legally. So yes, it's a Visa issue. I could look for a business job in Europe, but I've looked into it a bit but it seems quite difficult with the whole sponsorship issue.
2. Presentation skill development, learning to command presence in a room, and in-person close interactions with that society
3. Flexibility - Not to mention, most teaching jobs are about 20 hours a week, which gives me enough time to get involved with start-up's.
It seems by your response that you think for my mba admission profile that it would be OK, not particularly advantageous or disadvantageous, if I were to drop my consulting job in mid-late 2015 and teach english/get involved with a start-up? Could you please elaborate a bit more on that? How much do schools value a candidate that identifies his goals in life and actively pursues them? On the other hand, does the loss of 2 years of American consulting experience significantly offsets that?
Thanks again!!
