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Cesky
Joined: 28 Nov 2017
Last visit: 22 May 2020
Posts: 19
Location: United States (NY)
Schools: Ross '20 (A) Yale '20 (D) Sloan '20 (D) Johnson '20 (M) Stern '20 (A) CBS '20 (D) Haas '20 (D)
GMAT 1: 760 Q47 V47
GPA: 3.2
Schools: Ross '20 (A) Yale '20 (D) Sloan '20 (D) Johnson '20 (M) Stern '20 (A) CBS '20 (D) Haas '20 (D)
GMAT 1: 760 Q47 V47
Posts: 19
Hi all,
Apologies for a bit of repetition. A lot of this content had been a part of a recent thread I posted on Ross v. Stern, but now I have also been accepted at Johnson with a full-tuition scholarship. I made an attempt at negotiation at Ross and Stern to no avail and have zero $ from either school.
I have lived in NYC for the last six years and have worked in nonprofit management/consulting. I want to pursue 'regular' management/strategy consulting. I will shoot for the big 4 but would likely be happy at a smaller firm as well. I am also interested in environmental and social impact, and while I don't necessarily expect that those will factor into my first job out of business school, I do think they will factor in the longer term.
Ross
-Very solid approach to the consulting track, seems like a well-oiled machine
-Strong presence of environmental and social impact related opportunities
-MAP seems wonderful, a chance to travel AND complete a substantive, 7-week consulting project as opposed to some of the fluffier travel opportunities at most schools [I will definitely take advantage of one or two fluffier opportunities as well though]
-Network seems very supportive and enthusiastic
-Where people go after graduation is quite varied (Chicago, Seattle, NYC, and SF all have at least 10% but nowhere has more than 21%), which is both a strength due to potential variety and maybe also a weakness (no one location where Ross is king)
-Ann Arbor seems fine, I'm not in love with it
Stern
-It's in NYC! I'm pretty tied to this city. On the one hand, a break doesn't sound bad. On the other, I will likely want to be in NYC post-school.
-In-semester internships and networking with companies in NYC are opportunities that won't exist in the same way at Ross
-Environmental and social impact opportunities are certainly there but don't seem as ingrained as they are at Ross
-I get the impression that the consulting track is weaker than at Ross, but still not too shabby
-Being in a big city, it seems like more people have more of a life outside of business school, which I kind of see as a weakness in terms of network strength and trying new things (could be tempted to fall back on the friends/support system that I already have, although having that support system is a nice thing of course- hard to say if this is a positive or negative I suppose)
Johnson
-The scholarship probably takes a significant amount of stress/pressure off of my life for the next decade (plus I can travel more during b school)
-If I burn out on management consulting quickly, there will be less pressure to stay due to finances
-Don't mind getting out of the city for school and it seems like a tight-knit community which is nice
-They have the Center for Sustainable Global Enterprise, which is right up my ally with social/environmental impact + business
-I do have concerns about the quality of firms recruiting from Johnson. While I'm not dead set on MBB, it doesn't seem like a great sign that BCG doesn't appear to come on-campus at all (despite being a top 5 employer at Ross). Similarly, Bain's pre-MBA diversity program doesn't include Johnson despite including some usually lower ranked programs like UNC and Georgetown
-Seems to be going through/have gone through a somewhat turbulent time. Their dean just stepped down and I believe their careers services had a large overhaul recently (I suppose/hope that one is for the better). I feel the jury is out on whether there is positive or negative momentum at the moment, which makes me nervous
-Despite some of my doubts, they have had a pretty good ranking performance recently
So basically, the obvious thing to do would be to take the money. I just want to make sure I'm not shooting myself in the foot by doing so.
Apologies for a bit of repetition. A lot of this content had been a part of a recent thread I posted on Ross v. Stern, but now I have also been accepted at Johnson with a full-tuition scholarship. I made an attempt at negotiation at Ross and Stern to no avail and have zero $ from either school.
I have lived in NYC for the last six years and have worked in nonprofit management/consulting. I want to pursue 'regular' management/strategy consulting. I will shoot for the big 4 but would likely be happy at a smaller firm as well. I am also interested in environmental and social impact, and while I don't necessarily expect that those will factor into my first job out of business school, I do think they will factor in the longer term.
Ross
-Very solid approach to the consulting track, seems like a well-oiled machine
-Strong presence of environmental and social impact related opportunities
-MAP seems wonderful, a chance to travel AND complete a substantive, 7-week consulting project as opposed to some of the fluffier travel opportunities at most schools [I will definitely take advantage of one or two fluffier opportunities as well though]
-Network seems very supportive and enthusiastic
-Where people go after graduation is quite varied (Chicago, Seattle, NYC, and SF all have at least 10% but nowhere has more than 21%), which is both a strength due to potential variety and maybe also a weakness (no one location where Ross is king)
-Ann Arbor seems fine, I'm not in love with it
Stern
-It's in NYC! I'm pretty tied to this city. On the one hand, a break doesn't sound bad. On the other, I will likely want to be in NYC post-school.
-In-semester internships and networking with companies in NYC are opportunities that won't exist in the same way at Ross
-Environmental and social impact opportunities are certainly there but don't seem as ingrained as they are at Ross
-I get the impression that the consulting track is weaker than at Ross, but still not too shabby
-Being in a big city, it seems like more people have more of a life outside of business school, which I kind of see as a weakness in terms of network strength and trying new things (could be tempted to fall back on the friends/support system that I already have, although having that support system is a nice thing of course- hard to say if this is a positive or negative I suppose)
Johnson
-The scholarship probably takes a significant amount of stress/pressure off of my life for the next decade (plus I can travel more during b school)
-If I burn out on management consulting quickly, there will be less pressure to stay due to finances
-Don't mind getting out of the city for school and it seems like a tight-knit community which is nice
-They have the Center for Sustainable Global Enterprise, which is right up my ally with social/environmental impact + business
-I do have concerns about the quality of firms recruiting from Johnson. While I'm not dead set on MBB, it doesn't seem like a great sign that BCG doesn't appear to come on-campus at all (despite being a top 5 employer at Ross). Similarly, Bain's pre-MBA diversity program doesn't include Johnson despite including some usually lower ranked programs like UNC and Georgetown
-Seems to be going through/have gone through a somewhat turbulent time. Their dean just stepped down and I believe their careers services had a large overhaul recently (I suppose/hope that one is for the better). I feel the jury is out on whether there is positive or negative momentum at the moment, which makes me nervous
-Despite some of my doubts, they have had a pretty good ranking performance recently
So basically, the obvious thing to do would be to take the money. I just want to make sure I'm not shooting myself in the foot by doing so.
stoiczoan
Joined: 23 Nov 2016
Last visit: 04 May 2022
Posts: 190
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Location: United States
Schools: Booth '21 (M)
GMAT 1: 770 Q49 V47
GPA: 3.5
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09 Feb 2018, 18:49
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Cesky
This looks a little straightforward to me. You should go to Ross! (even with the extra cost)
Below is why -
- Your goals are realllyy well aligned with Ross. Strategy consulting + environmental/social impact.
- Like you said, NYU is slightly lower than Ross on both those attributes
- Take a break from NYC. You'll learn and grow more in a new environment, and the bonding at Ross is pretty amazing.. (much better than NYU due to the nature of school/university location)
- If I were you, I wouldn't consider Cornell at all.. even with the money. I have the same goal - strategy consulting, and I decided not to apply to Cornell because they really don't have any real strength in that area (compared to Ross, and even NYU). Like you mention, things right now are a little wobbly with the administrative changes, and that's not a good sign.. maybe things will settle down in a couple of years..
You will only go through this experience once. Make it count!
Go to Ross!
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Joined: 14 Sep 2013
Last visit: 16 Dec 2019
Posts: 251
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Concentration: Marketing, Strategy
Schools: Owen '16 (M)
GMAT 1: 720 Q44 V44
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Cesky
You can get Big 4 out of Johnson probably just as easy as you can out of Ross or Stern. Since it suits your goals just fine, there is NO REASON to pay an extra $120k+ for the same degree. I'd say you especially don't want the added financial burden if you do end up going the social impact route--which presumably won't have the same ROI as many standard MBA career paths.
Take the money. Enjoy Ithaca!
Good luck.
