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I started studying in March, I took the MGMAT class live online. I recently scored 700 on my Kaplan prep test and 710 on Manhattan's CAT . I took the test today and scored

IR : 6
Q: 32
V:37
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I did not study for IR, Can someone help me shed light on what happened?

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Hi Mco100,

I'm sorry to hear that Test Day didn't go as well as planned. When these types of score drops occur, the two likely "causes" involve either something that was unrealistic during practice or something that was surprising (or not accounted for) on Test Day. If you can answer a few questions, then we should be able to figure this out:

When you took your CATs:
1) Did you take the ENTIRE CAT each time (including the Essay and IR sections)?
2) Did you take them at home?
3) Did you take your CATs in the same "order" as you took the sections on the Official GMAT?
4) Did you take your CATs at the same time of day as when you took the Official GMAT?
5) Did you ever do ANYTHING during your CATs that you couldn't do on Test Day (pause the CAT, skip sections, take longer breaks, etc.)?
6) Did you ever take a CAT more than once? Had you seen any of the questions BEFORE?

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Mco100 wrote:
I started studying in March, I took the MGMAT class live online. I recently scored 700 on my Kaplan prep test and 710 on Manhattan's CAT . I took the test today and scored

IR : 6
Q: 32
V:37
580

I did not study for IR, Can someone help me shed light on what happened?


Hi Mco100,

First of all mock scores except GMATPrep are not so reliable. But it is clear that there were issues in Quant section. When we score well in mocks but test day gives a really different picture then ESR can help you know the mistakes.

To know how ESR looks like and howmuch helping can it be, please see this - http://gmatclub.com/forum/information-on-new-gmat-esr-report-beta-221111.html

Upload your ESR on the abobe link to get it reviewed by experts. You will then know what so different happened at the test day.

Please ask if there is any specific information i can help you with. :)
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EMPOWERgmatRichC wrote:
Hi Mco100,

I'm sorry to hear that Test Day didn't go as well as planned. When these types of score drops occur, the two likely "causes" involve either something that was unrealistic during practice or something that was surprising (or not accounted for) on Test Day. If you can answer a few questions, then we should be able to figure this out:

When you took your CATs:
1) Did you take the ENTIRE CAT each time (including the Essay and IR sections)?
2) Did you take them at home?
3) Did you take your CATs in the same "order" as you took the sections on the Official GMAT?
4) Did you take your CATs at the same time of day as when you took the Official GMAT?
5) Did you ever do ANYTHING during your CATs that you couldn't do on Test Day (pause the CAT, skip sections, take longer breaks, etc.)?
6) Did you ever take a CAT more than once? Had you seen any of the questions BEFORE?

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1. Skipped IR and Essay on last two CATs
2. 2 in the office, 700 at home, 710 in the office
3. Took the first two in the old order, took the 700 scores in the same order at test Q, V, IR, E
4. No. Took real exam at 8am earliest I've ever taken any cat
5. Never paused, took longer on exam day q 1
6. No

At Test I felt confident I was getting it right. In 700 scores I felt I was failing it. Got frozen on 1st question in quant on exam, not because I did not know it

CAT 1 - 5/9/17 Manhattan
Q 36 V 30 finished on time

CAT 2 - 06/07/2017 Manhattan
IR 0 Q 33 V 30

CAT 3 - 06/24/2017 Manhattan
IR 0 Q 27 V 36 Did not finish on time, guessed rush on last 6 in Q ran out of time on last 3

CAT 4 - Kaplan 07/08/2017
IR 5 Q45 V 41 finished on time, least nervous

CAT 5 - Manhattan 07/21/2017
IR 1.63 Q41 V 45 finished on time

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Hi Mco100,

From your prior post, there were a couple of 'red flags' in terms of how you took your CATs. Before we discuss those issues though, I have a few additional questions about the lead-up to Test Day and Test Day itself:

1) What did you do in the 3 days before your GMAT?
2) How did you sleep the night before your Test?
3) How long was the ride to the Test Center from your home?
4) Were there any distractions at the facility or during the Test?
5) What did you do during the two 8-minute breaks?
6) Did you finish any sections early?
7) Did you have to rush to finish any sections (and guess on questions just to finish on time)?

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EMPOWERgmatRichC wrote:
Hi Mco100,

From your prior post, there were a couple of 'red flags' in terms of how you took your CATs. Before we discuss those issues though, I have a few additional questions about the lead-up to Test Day and Test Day itself:

1) What did you do in the 3 days before your GMAT?
2) How did you sleep the night before your Test?
3) How long was the ride to the Test Center from your home?
4) Were there any distractions at the facility or during the Test?
5) What did you do during the two 8-minute breaks?
6) Did you finish any sections early?
7) Did you have to rush to finish any sections (and guess on questions just to finish on time)?

GMAT assassins aren't born, they're made,
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Hi Mco100, I recommend that you start taking real GMATPrep tests, as they are a much better gauge of your actual GMAT score than Kap. or Manhattan tests (or any third-party tests for that matter). Taking full, uninterrupted and appropriately timed practice tests is of course important as well, as others have noted.

Also, providing an ESR would help us experts immensely. I can tell you from your score of Q32 that your Quant preparation let you down big time. You must have struggled on the crucial first 10-12 questions of the Quant...and it's all downhill from there, no matter how well you perform on the remainder of the section. Yes, you can still order an ESR, even if you've cancelled your score!

Some GMAT test-takers do see score variations of 100 points or more. They are simply inconsistent by nature. If you can score 710 once, then you can do so again. However, you might need several tries to get there--and you can't trust a best-guess score from a synthetic, third-party test.

Remember that you get up to 8 lifetime GMAT attempts. Try, try again.

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Mco100 wrote:
mcelroytutoring what do you recommend?


Hi Mco100, I recommend that you start taking real GMATPrep tests, as they are a much better gauge of your actual GMAT score than Kap. or Manhattan tests (or any third-party tests for that matter). Taking full, uninterrupted and appropriately timed practice tests is of course important as well, as others have noted.

Also, providing an ESR would help us experts immensely. I can tell you from your score of Q32 that your Quant preparation let you down big time. You must have struggled on the crucial first 10-12 questions of the Quant...and it's all downhill from there, no matter how well you perform on the remainder of the section. Yes, you can still order an ESR, even if you've cancelled your score!

Some GMAT test-takers do see score variations of 100 points or more. They are simply inconsistent by nature. If you can score 710 once, then you can do so again. However, you might need several tries to get there--and you can't trust a best-guess score from a synthetic, third-party test.

Remember that you get up to 8 lifetime GMAT attempts. Try, try again.

mcelroytutoring I took the official GMAT Prep exam today. I got

Results
Q:47 I had less than 30 seconds for the final 4-5 questions and guessed them before that I random guessed 2-3 before I spent a lot of time on the first question. Flasshback nerves
V:34 I finished with 4 minutes left
660

Also see the chart I included from excel for all past exams

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