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A. 39
B. 30
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D. 27
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Which of the following best approximates the value of q if 5^28 + 3^11 = 5^q ?
(A) 39
(B) 30
(C) 28
(D) 27
(E) 17


The answer has to be at least 28 since you are adding something to 5^28.

Note that 3^11 is much much smaller than 5^28 so adding it will not change the value of 5^28 much. If it is hard to visualize, think of it this way:

The next possible answer is 5^30 which is greater than 5^28
5^30 = 25*5^28

But
5^28 + 5^28 = 2*5^28
Even if we add 5^28 to 5^28, all we get is 2*5^28 which is much much smaller than 25*5^28
In fact, what we are actually adding is only 3^11 so 5^28 + 3^11 must be much closer to 5^28. Hence its value must be approximately 5^28.
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Which of the following best approximates the value of q if \(5^{28}+3^{11}=5^q\)?

A. 39
B. 30
C. 28
D. 27
E. 17

Note that we need approximate value of \(q\). Now, \(5^{28}\) is much, much, much bigger than \(3^{11}\). So adding \(3^{11}\) to \(5^{28}\) will be closer to \(5^{28}\) then to \(5^{29}\), basically \(3^{11}\) is negligible in this case. So \(q\approx{28}\).

Answer: C.
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Which of the following best approximates the value of q if 5^28 + 3^11 = 5^q ?
(A) 39
(B) 30
(C) 28
(D) 27
(E) 17


Pay attention to the funda here that 3^11 is much less than 5^28 (obviously its superlarge number)

hence q can be approximated to 28.

ANALOGY: suppose you need to add 10...... trillion to 100 then obviously the result after addition can be approximated to 10......trillion.

Hence C
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Which of the following best approximates the value of q if \(5^{28}+3^{11}=5^q\)?

A. 39
B. 30
C. 28
D. 27
E. 17

Note that we need approximate value of \(q\). Now, \(5^{28}\) is much, much, much bigger than \(3^{11}\). So adding \(3^{11}\) to \(5^{28}\) will be closer to \(5^{28}\) then to \(5^{29}\), basically \(3^{11}\) is negligible in this case. So \(q\approx{28}\).

Answer: C.



Bunuel, my approach for this question was:

I approximated \(3^{11}\) to \(30^{10}\) and thus \(3^{11}\) = \(5*6^{10}\) ----> factor ---> \(5^{10}\) (\(5^{18}\) + 6) .. Since the addition in the parenthesis is minescule, we can ignore it. And thus we have \(5^{10}\) * \(5^{18}\) = \(5^{28}\) .... so q = 28

But obviously 30^10 is about a third of the size of 3^11 so I do not know if these operations work in general. Do they?
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Bunuel wrote:
Question should read:

Which of the following best approximates the value of q if \(5^{28}+3^{11}=5^q\)?

A. 39
B. 30
C. 28
D. 27
E. 17

Note that we need approximate value of \(q\). Now, \(5^{28}\) is much, much, much bigger than \(3^{11}\). So adding \(3^{11}\) to \(5^{28}\) will be closer to \(5^{28}\) then to \(5^{29}\), basically \(3^{11}\) is negligible in this case. So \(q\approx{28}\).

Answer: C.



Bunuel, my approach for this question was:

I approximated \(3^{11}\) to \(30^{10}\) and thus \(3^{11}\) = \(5*6^{10}\) ----> factor ---> \(5^{10}\) (\(5^{18}\) + 6) .. Since the addition in the parenthesis is minescule, we can ignore it. And thus we have \(5^{10}\) * \(5^{18}\) = \(5^{28}\) .... so q = 28

But obviously 30^10 is about a third of the size of 3^11 so I do not know if these operations work in general. Do they?


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I solved it this way:

\(5^2^8+3^1^1=5^q\)

\(3^3=27\) which is pretty close to \(5^2\)
\(3^1^1\) is 3 times \(3^3\) and one time \(3^2\) thus we can approximate to 3 times \(5^2\) and one 5

\(5^2^8+5^7=5^7(5^2^1+1)\).

we can conclude that the best approximation is \(5^2^8\) since \(5^2^1+1\) is a little bit more than \(5^2^1\). and \(5^7\) times (a little bit more than \(5^2^1\)) = around \(5^2^8\)

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Which of the following best approximates the value of q if \(5^{28} + 3^{11} = 5^q\) ?
(A) 39
(B) 30
(C) 28
(D) 27
(E) 17


\(5^{28} + 3^{11} = 5^q\)

Or, \(5^{28}( 1 + \frac{3^{11}}{5^{28}}) = 5^q\)

Since, \(\frac{3^{11}}{5^{28}} << 1\), the term \((1 + \frac{3^{11}}{5^{28}})\)can be approximated to 1.

Thus, \(5 ^ {28} = 5 ^q\)

Or, \(q = 28\).

Answer: (C)

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Which of the following best approximates the value of q if 5^28+3^11=5^q ?

A. 39
B. 30
C. 28
D. 27
E. 17


We have: 5^28+3^11=5^q
==> because 3^11 > 0 --> 5^q MUST be equal or greater than 5^28 ==> q MUST be equal or greater than 28
==> Option D and E are out immediately.

Divide both sides by 5^q and q >= 28
We have:
5^(28-q) + 3^11/5^q = 1

Because q >= 28 ==> 3^11/5^q = 0.0000xyz that is very small, we can ignore it.
Thus, 5^(28-q) must be approximate 1
==> 28-q = 0 ==> q is approximate 28
C is the answer.

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Which of the following best approximates the value of q if \(5^{28}+3^{11}=5^q\)?

A. 39
B. 30
C. 28
D. 27
E. 17

Note that we need approximate value of \(q\). Now, \(5^{28}\) is much, much, much bigger than \(3^{11}\). So adding \(3^{11}\) to \(5^{28}\) will be closer to \(5^{28}\) then to \(5^{29}\), basically \(3^{11}\) is negligible in this case. So \(q\approx{28}\).

Answer: C.


I thought it this way:\(3^11=5^q-5^28\).Now if we take\(q>28\),we'll be able to take out \(5^28\) common from RHS;that cannot equal \(3^11\).And if we take \(q<28\),We'll get -ve RHS;that again cannot equal \(3^11\).
So the closest value can be \(q=28\) only.But can this question be there in the GMAT?Even the closest/aprox. value in this case is quite far away!
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Which of the following best approximates the value of q if 5^28+3^11=5^q ?

A. 39
B. 30
C. 28
D. 27
E. 17


Raise to the power (1/10) to both the sides we will get:

5^2.8 + 3^1.1 = 5^q/10

3^1.1 is negligible as compared to 5^2.8 hence q = 28
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Option D & E can be neglected as the power would either be SAME or increase

Try to close in the powers of both the expressions

Consider \(5^{28}\)

\(= 5^{4*7}\)

\(= (5^4)^7\)

\(= 625^7\)

\(625^7\) is a huge number as compared to \(3^{11}\); so addition of the later will not have any significant effect to the exponent

Answer = C
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I solved it in this way:

5^28+3^11=5^q ?

3^2 = 27~ 5^2

So we can write 3^11 = 5^7

Now

5^28+5^7=5^q

5^7 (5^21 + 1) = 5^q => We can ignore 1 as it is much smaller than 5^21
5^28 = 5^q => q= 28 Hence C
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Which of the following best approximates the value of q if 5^28 + 3^11 = 5^q ?
(A) 39
(B) 30
(C) 28
(D) 27
(E) 17


The answer has to be at least 28 since you are adding something to 5^28.

Note that 3^11 is much much smaller than 5^28 so adding it will not change the value of 5^28 much. If it is hard to visualize, think of it this way:

The next possible answer is 5^30 which is greater than 5^28
5^30 = 25*5^28

But
5^28 + 5^28 = 2*5^28
Even if we add 5^28 to 5^28, all we get is 2*5^28 which is much much smaller than 25*5^28
In fact, what we are actually adding is only 3^11 so 5^28 + 3^11 must be much closer to 5^28. Hence its value must be approximately 5^28.


great explanation...I tried to solve it by logic..and eliminated right away D and E. A is way too much. Between B and C, went with B..now I see why I did the mistake..
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Smita04 wrote:
Which of the following best approximates the value of q if 5^28 + 3^11 = 5^q ?
(A) 39
(B) 30
(C) 28
(D) 27
(E) 17


The answer has to be at least 28 since you are adding something to 5^28.

Note that 3^11 is much much smaller than 5^28 so adding it will not change the value of 5^28 much. If it is hard to visualize, think of it this way:

The next possible answer is 5^30 which is greater than 5^28
5^30 = 25*5^28

But
5^28 + 5^28 = 2*5^28
Even if we add 5^28 to 5^28, all we get is 2*5^28 which is much much smaller than 25*5^28
In fact, what we are actually adding is only 3^11 so 5^28 + 3^11 must be much closer to 5^28. Hence its value must be approximately 5^28.


great explanation...I tried to solve it by logic..and eliminated right away D and E. A is way too much. Between B and C, went with B..now I see why I did the mistake..


B could've been easily eliminated as for increasing another power of 5, you will need to atleast multiply that number by 5 atleast. 3^11 can be approximated to (3^6)^2 and 3^6 will give you 5^4 so you will end up getting almost 5^8 and this when added to 5^28 will still not do anything.
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Here is how i solved it up=>
5^q=5^28+3^11
I didn't realise that 3^11 was negligible when saw this statement.
So i followed as -->
3^3=5^2(approx)
hence 5^q=(5)^28+5^7(approx)=> 5^75^21+1
Here i neglected 1 and wrote 5^q=5^28
hence q=28(approx)

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40 seconds approach:

Let's see if there is a pattern:

5^1 + 3^1 = 8 (Roughly close to 5^1)
5^2 + 3^2 = 34 (Roughly close to 5^2)
5^3 + 3^3 = 152 (Roughly close to 5^3)
...
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and so on. We can see that 3 is pretty much negligible in this case and doesn't really add much to the power of 5. Therefore:
5^28 + 3^11 is close enough to 5^28 or option C!
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