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ratinarace wrote:
the equation has 3 intervals 2, 3 , and 5. i.e 4 segments x<2, 2<x<3, 3<x<5, 5<x.

1) When X>5 none of the brackets will change the sign and hence
(x-2)-(x-3) = (x-5)-------> x=6 ..We accept this solution as it satisfies the equation.

Now since we know x=6 is one of the solution we know the answer could be C or D

2) When 3<x<5 here (x-5) will change the sign
(x-2)-(x-3) = -(x-5) ------>x=4 ..We accept the solution as 3<4<5

We can stop solving here as the only set consisting both 6 and 4 is set C hence correct answer is C


Hi,

I have a doubt on this

How can we say X>5 none of the brackets will change the sign and When 3<x<5 here (x-5) will change the sign?

Wat is it to define this?
Please help me in this

Thanks in advance.


Hi rrsnathan,
The eqn :
|x-2|-|x-3|=|x-5|
is about modulus function.

The modulus always takes the magnitude i.e.
|2| = 2 and also |-2| = 2,
so you can see that for negative expression y ; |y | = - (y)
which is same as changing the sign , to make it positive

So,when x>5, all the modulus expression
|x-2|,|x-3|and |x-5| are positive,so we need not change sign

when 3<x<5,
|x-2| is positive , |x-3| is positive and |x-5| is negative,
so we need to change the sign for |x-5| i.e. |x-5| = - (x-5)

That's why the equation
|x-2|-|x-3|=|x-5|
becomes (x-2) -(x-3) = - (x-5) this is what Ratinarace meant, although explained confusingly

Hope above example clears your doubt :)

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Why can we not plug in the answer choices into the question stem to solve that way?



Exactly!! you dont need to solve this one. Just plug in one option from each set and check if it works. Option A and D have 8 so plug it in and check that whether it works. It does not so discard A and D. Option B and E have 5 so plug it in. Again it does work. So we are left with option C. Dont even bother checking if all the values in option C work. Select C and move on.
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WholeLottaLove wrote:
Why can we not plug in the answer choices into the question stem to solve that way?



Exactly!! you dont need to solve this one. Just plug in one option from each set and check if it works. Option A and D have 8 so plug it in and check that whether it works. It does not so discard A and D. Option B and E have 5 so plug it in. Again it does work. So we are left with option C. Dont even bother checking if all the values in option C work. Select C and move on.


I don't understand why you chose to ignore options (A) and (D) just because they had a value which is not a solution of x.

Read the question again: Which of the following sets includes ALL of the solutions of x that will satisfy the equation:... ?

This means the option which gives the correct answer "includes" all the solutions of x but it could also have other numbers which are not solutions of x.
The answer is (C) which includes both solutions of x: 4 and 6. But it also has other numbers.

The only way number plugging would work is if you put in every value of (A) - no solutions there. Then check every value of (B) - you get one solution: 4. Now look at the options which have 4. They are (C) and (E). Now check every value of (C). You find that 6 is also a solution. Now see whether (E) has 6. It doesn't. This means option (C) must have all solutions of x since one option has to be correct.
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ratinarace wrote:
the equation has 3 intervals 2, 3 , and 5. i.e 4 segments x<2, 2<x<3, 3<x<5, 5<x.

1) When X>5 none of the brackets will change the sign and hence
(x-2)-(x-3) = (x-5)-------> x=6 ..We accept this solution as it satisfies the equation.

Now since we know x=6 is one of the solution we know the answer could be C or D

2) When 3<x<5 here (x-5) will change the sign
(x-2)-(x-3) = -(x-5) ------>x=4 ..We accept the solution as 3<4<5

We can stop solving here as the only set consisting both 6 and 4 is set C hence correct answer is C



Can anyone please explain why we have changed the sign? I am seriously struggling with this issue in most of the similar problems.
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ratinarace wrote:

2) When 3<x<5 here (x-5) will change the sign
(x-2)-(x-3) = -(x-5) ------>x=4 ..We accept the solution as 3<4<5

We can stop solving here as the only set consisting both 6 and 4 is set C hence correct answer is C


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Can anyone please explain why we have changed the sign? I am seriously struggling with this issue in most of the similar problems.


The sign change is happening due to the assumed range of x.
As x is assumed to between 3 and 5, exclusive, (i.e. 3 < x < 5) the expression (x - 5) will be negative, as x is less than 5.
For that reason (x - 5) is written as - (x - 5).

Hope this answers your query. :-)


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1) Get the checkpoints using the absolute value expressions.
|x-2| tells us that x=2 as one checkpoint
|x-3| tells us that x=3 as another checkpoint
|x-5| tells us that x=5 as last checkpoint

2) Let us test for x where x < 2

|x-2| = |x-5| + |x-3|
-(x-2)= -(x-5) - (x-3)
-x +2 = -x +5 -x +3
x=6 Invalid since x=6 is not x<2

3) Let us test for x where 2 < x < 3

(x-2) = -(x-5) -(x-3)
x-2 = -x+5 -x +3
3x = 10
x = 10/3 Invalid since x=3.3 is not within x = (2,3)

4) Let us test for x where 3 < x < 5

x-2 = x-3 - (x-5)
x-2 = 2
x = 4 Valid

5) Let us test for x where x > 5

x-2 = x-3 + x - 5
-x = -6
x=6 Valid

6) Now let's look for 4 and 6 in the sets of answer choices.

(A) {-6, -5, 0, 1, 7, 8}
(B) {-4, -2, 0, 10/3, 4, 5}
(C) {-4, 0, 1, 4, 5, 6}
(D) {-1, 10/3, 3, 5, 6, 8}
(E) {-2, -1, 1, 3, 4, 5}

Only C has both x=4 and x=6.

Answer: C





Good sir, what if the more than one option had the options 4 & 6, I know it had to have a zero. But other than that, getting 5 & 1. Trial and error at later stages are very tough and time consuming.
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I do not understand the question and the solution at all. Why can't we check for the values by taking out x first?

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Algebra Solution/Opening the 3 Modulus

1st, reorganize the equation so it’s easier to negate the expressions inside the Modulus


[x-2] = [x - 5] + [x - 3]



the Critical Values at which the Expressions inside Each Modulus will Equal = 0 and the Barrier over which the Sign of the expression will Change ——-

Critical Values: X = 2 ; 3 ; 5

———-2——-3————5——


Scenario 1: Range 1: X >/= 5

For the Assumed X Values in this Range, all the “Input” expressions Inside Each Modulus will be NON-Negative



RULE for Opening the Modulus when the Input Expression Inside the Modulus is NON Negative:

When X > 0———- [x] = x

Thus;
(x - 2) = (x - 5) + (x - 3)

x = 6

This is a Valid Solution

Eliminate Answer Choices:

A ; B ; and E

Because they do NOT include x = 6


Scenario 2: Range 2:
3 =/< x < 5

For the Modulus [x - 5], the Input Expression is (-)Negative in this Range


RULE 2 for Opening the Modulus:

When x < 0 ———- [x] = -(x)

****why? Because the OUTPUT of an absolute value Modulus is always NON Negative, we must NEGATE the (-)Negative Input Expression to make it match the positive output.


(x - 2) = -1(x - 5) + (x - 3)

x - 2 = -x + 5 + x - 3

x = +4——VALID Solution.


Thus: 6 and 4 must be part of the Solution Set

Answer -C- is the only answer choice that contains both 6 and 4. You can eliminate every other answer.

Correct Answer must be -C-

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Hi Bunuel Bunuel

I tried to solve it this way.please advise if am wrong

(x-2)-(x-3)= -(x-5)
-1= -x+5
x=6

So no i eliminates set 1,2 and 5 as they don't have 6

(x-2)-(x-3)= (x-5)
-1=x-5
x=4

Hence i eliminated set 4 as it doesn't have 4

Now i am left with set 3 which has both 4&6

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Which of the following sets includes ALL of the solutions of x that will satisfy the equation: ?

|x - 2| - |x - 3| = |x - 5|

(A) {-6, -5, 0, 1, 7, 8}
(B) {-4, -2, 0, 10/3, 4, 5}
(C) {-4, 0, 1, 4, 5, 6}
(D) {-1, 10/3, 3, 5, 6, 8}
(E) {-2, -1, 1, 3, 4, 5}

Hi Bunuel Bunuel

I tried to solve it this way.please advise if am wrong

(x-2)-(x-3)= -(x-5)
-1= -x+5
x=6

So no i eliminates set 1,2 and 5 as they don't have 6

(x-2)-(x-3)= (x-5)
-1=x-5
x=4

Hence i eliminated set 4 as it doesn't have 4

Now i am left with set 3 which has both 4&6

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You should have plugged back x = 6 and x = 4 to check whether they satisfy |x - 2| - |x - 3| = |x - 5| (they do). The point is that it's not clear why you considered only these two cases. By conventional approach you should consider four possible cases, \(x < 2\), \(2 \leq x \leq 3\), \(3 <x \leq 5\) and \(x > 5\), and expand the modulus according to those ranges.

\(|x - 2| - |x - 3| = |x - 5|\)

When \(x < 2\), then we get \(-(x - 2) + (x - 3) = -(x - 5)\)\(^*\), which gives x = 6. Discard because x = 6 is out of the range we consider (\(x < 2\)).
    *Because when \(x < 2\):
    x - 2 is negative, thus |x - 2| = -(x - 2);
    x - 3 is negative, thus |x - 3| = -(x - 3);
    x - 5 is negative, thus |x - 5| = -(x - 5).

When \(2 \leq x \leq 3\), then we get \((x - 2) + (x - 3) = -(x - 5)\)\(^*\), which gives x = 10/3. Discard because x = 10/3 is out of the range we consider (\(2 \leq x \leq 3\)).
    *Because when \(2 \leq x \leq 3\):
    x - 2 is positive (not negative when x = 2), thus |x - 2| = x - 2;
    x - 3 is negative (not positive when x = 3), thus |x - 3| = -(x - 3);
    x - 5 is negative, thus |x - 5| = -(x - 5).

When \(3 <x \leq 5\), then we get \((x - 2) - (x - 3) = -(x - 5)\)\(^*\), which gives x = 4. This solutions is OK because x = 4 is in the range we consider (\(3 <x \leq 5\)).
    *Because when \(3 <x \leq 5\):
    x - 2 is positive, thus |x - 2| = x - 2;
    x - 3 is positive, thus |x - 3| = x - 3;
    x - 5 is negative (not positive when x = 5), thus |x - 5| = -(x - 5).

When \(x > 5\), then we get \((x - 2) - (x - 3) = (x - 5)\)\(^*\), which gives x = 6. This solutions is OK because x = 6 is in the range we consider (\(x > 5\)).
    *Because when \(x > 5\):
    x - 2 is positive, thus |x - 2| = x - 2;
    x - 3 is positive, thus |x - 3| = x - 3;
    x - 5 is positive, thus |x - 5| = x - 5.

So, two values of x satisfy \(|x - 2| - |x - 3| = |x - 5|\): x = 4 and x = 6.

The only set which includes both of these values is (C): {-4, 0, 1, 4, 5, 6}.

Answer: C.
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