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While some academicians believe that business ethics should be integrated into every business course, others say that students will take ethics seriously only if it would be taught as a separately required course.

Issue: Verb form

Analysis:
1. The non-underlined part of the sentence presents the scenario as definite condition with the use of "will" which should be complemented by simple form form (rather than modal "would")
2. In the underlined part, "only" should be places before "if" for clear meaning.


A) only if it would be taught as a separately required course
- Use of modal "would" is incorrect

B) only if it is taught as a separate, required course

C) if it is taught only as a course required separately
- Misplaced "only" - changes the meaning

D) if it was taught only as a separate and required course
- Incorrect verb tense with "was"
- Misplaced "only" - changes the meaning


E) if it would only be taught as a required course, separately
- Use of modal "would" is incorrect (Incorrect verb tense)
- Misplaced "only" - changes the meaning


Answer: (B)
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Can someone please explain why there is no "and" between "separate" and "required"? It is not clear to me grammatically?

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Can someone please explain why there is no "and" between "separate" and "required"? It is not clear to me grammatically?

Thx for your time in advance.


egmat has provided an example for similar query in the thread above.
IMO this use is permitted with adjectives. In MGMAT SC , chapter 13 question # 27 "....its brasher , more frenetic rival."
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While some academicians believe that business ethics should be integrated into every business course, others say that students will take ethics seriously only if it would be taught as a separately required course.

A) only if it would be taught as a separately required course
B) only if it is taught as a separate, required course
C) if it is taught only as a course required separately
D) if it was taught only as a separate and required course
E) if it would only be taught as a required course, separately

Can someone explain why the adverb 'separately' in C is wrong? Thanks!

Source: OG Verbal review, Q78.


A is wrong as use of would is wrong
B is correct
C Use of only as a modifier is incorrect
D use of was and only incorrect
E again use of only is incorrect and the meaning is changed
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Although I got this wrong - The correct choice is 'B'.

OE: Conditional constructions require specific verb tenses. For a present condition, like this debate between academicians, the subordinate clause introduced by if uses the present indicative, and the main clause uses the future tense: y will happen (main clause) only if x happens (subordinate clause). Logically, the course is to be both separate and required, so the two adjectives should equally modify the noun and thus be separated by a comma: separate, required course.

A, D, and E are out - The verb tense in the if clause is incorrect.
C is out - The placement of only distorts the meaning; it should precede if. A course required separately is unclear.
Left with 'B' - correct.
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Hello daagh
In this question, there are two items in a list used without comma. It seems awkward? Please can you help me understand.
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Separate and required are called coordinate adjectives and do not require a conjunction between them. A comma will suffice. B the correct grammatical structure.

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Hi
This was a very informative post. :thumbup:
I want to add one thing- Cumulative adjectives are generally not separated by comma.

Punctuating Coordinate Adjectives and Cumulative Adjectives
"Using commas with multiple adjectives is another challenge; fortunately, the rules are straightforward.
1. Can you put the word and between the adjectives and have the sentence still make sense?2. Can you reverse the order of the adjectives and have the sentence still make sense?
If you can do those two things, then use a comma between the adjectives because each adjective is describing the noun. These are called coordinate adjectives.
Aardvark is a hairy and small animal.
Aardvark is a small and hairy animal.Aardvark is a small, hairy animal.
You can use and between the adjectives and reverse the order in the examples above, so you use a comma.

"When your adjectives don't meet the above criteria--when you can't reverse the order or put and between them and have them still make sense--they are called cumulative adjectives. They are adjectives that build on each other, and you don't put a comma between them. For example, in the following sentence, you can't change the order of the adjectives four, green, and Easter:
Squiggly found four green Easter eggs.
Squiggly found green four Easter eggs. (yuck!)
Squiggly found Easter green four eggs. (yuck!)Squiggly found green Easter four eggs. (yuck!)
Remember, you can test whether you're dealing with cumulative or coordinate adjectives by checking if it's possible to switch them around."

Source:https://www.thoughtco.com/what-is-cumulative-adjectives-1689815

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To whom so ever it may concern; On this topic, I have a small note to add

Coordinate adjectives are adjectives that modify a single noun and are not joined by any conjunctions. For example, we say an amazing, mammoth procession. The adjectives ‘amazing and mammoth’ both refer to the procession and are not joined the usual ‘and’. A comma is used to separate both the adjectives, In effect it means an amazing and mammoth procession.

You can use coordinate adjectives only when the adjectives can individually modify the same noun as in the above case. More importantly even if you reverse the order of the adjectives, it should mean the same thing. Whether it is an amazing mammoth procession or a mammoth amazing procession, it means the same.

On the contrary try to reverse the order of the adjectives in the following cases.

I am longing for a hot, lemon tea; I am longing for a lemon, hot tea.

The previous, stout woman cooking in the kitchen is my wife; the stout, previous woman cooking in the kitchen is my wife

You can see the absurdity of reversing the order of the adjectives in the above cases. These are called cumulative adjectives.

Separate, required are coordinate adjectives modifying 'course'. They are legitimate

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The difference between (B) and (C) is the placement of 'only', which changes the meaning. Let's start with (B).

B) only if it is taught as a separate, required course

The meaning of 'ethics will only be taught if...' is that the other alternative would be to not teach ethics. Notice the placement of 'only' is right before 'taught.'

C) if it is taught only as a course required separately

Here the debate is no longer whether ethics will be taught, but how it will be taught. Essentially (C) is saying that ethics will not be taught as a combined course or an integrated course, or any course for that matter. It will taught only as a separate course. This changes the original meaning of the sentence.

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Dear experts,
although it is marked as sub-600 question, i struggle with this one.
It is hard for me to fingure out what "only" modifies.
Does it modify "take seriously"? or "if it is taught"? or "as a sperate,required separately" ?

Anyone help?

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HI zoezhuyan
Let me try to explain.

B)only if it is taught as a separate, required course- in this only refers the course, the separate/exclusive course.

C)if it is taught only as a course required separately- in this only modifies the method of teaching, as if the course is already there.

hence B is right.

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ChrisLele wrote:
The difference between (B) and (C) is the placement of 'only', which changes the meaning. Let's start with (B).

B) only if it is taught as a separate, required course

The meaning of 'ethics will only be taught if...' is that the other alternative would be to not teach ethics. Notice the placement of 'only' is right before 'taught.'

C) if it is taught only as a course required separately

Here the debate is no longer whether ethics will be taught, but how it will be taught. Essentially (C) is saying that ethics will not be taught as a combined course or an integrated course, or any course for that matter. It will taught only as a separate course. This changes the original meaning of the sentence.

Hope that helps!


Dear experts,
although it is marked as sub-600 question, i struggle with this one.
It is hard for me to fingure out what "only" modifies.
Does it modify "take seriously"? or "if it is taught"? or "as a sperate,required separately" ?

Anyone help?

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ChrisLele wrote:
The difference between (B) and (C) is the placement of 'only', which changes the meaning. Let's start with (B).

B) only if it is taught as a separate, required course

The meaning of 'ethics will only be taught if...' is that the other alternative would be to not teach ethics. Notice the placement of 'only' is right before 'taught.'

C) if it is taught only as a course required separately

Here the debate is no longer whether ethics will be taught, but how it will be taught. Essentially (C) is saying that ethics will not be taught as a combined course or an integrated course, or any course for that matter. It will taught only as a separate course. This changes the original meaning of the sentence.

Hope that helps!


Dear experts,
I picked up C because, I thought:
business ethics are integrated into every business course, in another words, business ethics are not seprate courses, they are combined with every courses.
in the second part of the sentence, others suggest that business ethics be taught as a seperate, required courses.

the focus of this sentence is debate between integrated courses and seprated courses.

I guess i must miss something.
Please point out my thoughts.

Thanks in advance

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zoezhuyan,

your understanding is right.

zoezhuyan wrote:
ChrisLele wrote:
The difference between (B) and (C) is the placement of 'only', which changes the meaning. Let's start with (B).

B) only if it is taught as a separate, required course

The meaning of 'ethics will only be taught if...' is that the other alternative would be to not teach ethics. Notice the placement of 'only' is right before 'taught.'

C) if it is taught only as a course required separately

Here the debate is no longer whether ethics will be taught, but how it will be taught. Essentially (C) is saying that ethics will not be taught as a combined course or an integrated course, or any course for that matter. It will taught only as a separate course. This changes the original meaning of the sentence.

Hope that helps!


Dear experts,
I picked up C because, I thought:
business ethics are integrated into every business course, in another words, business ethics are not seprate courses, they are combined with every courses.
in the second part of the sentence, others suggest that business ethics be taught as a seperate, required courses.

the focus of this sentence is debate between integrated courses and seprated courses.

I guess i must miss something.
Please point out my thoughts.

Thanks in advance

Have a nice day
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zoezhuyan,

your understanding is right.

Dear experts,
I picked up C because, I thought:
business ethics are integrated into every business course, in another words, business ethics are not seprate courses, they are combined with every courses.
in the second part of the sentence, others suggest that business ethics be taught as a seperate, required courses.

the focus of this sentence is debate between integrated courses and seprated courses.

I guess i must miss something.
Please point out my thoughts.

Thanks in advance

Have a nice day
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[/quote]

Sorry i did not express clear,
the focus of this sentence is debate between integrated courses and separated courses.
So "only" should modify the courses, -- only as a course separated, required course,

C looks good.

But C is incorrect,

I am confused.

Please help

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Hii
As per my interpretation, at present the business course is not in their course structure.
But As per C, it seems that the Business is also a subject in the course structure, but the requirement is to teach it separately.
this seems the flaw here

B)only if it is taught as a separate, required course- in this only refers the course, the separate/exclusive course.

C)if it is taught only as a course required separately- in this only modifies the method of teaching, as if the course is already there.

GMATNinja, please help

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zoezhuyan,

your understanding is right.

Dear experts,
I picked up C because, I thought:
business ethics are integrated into every business course, in another words, business ethics are not seprate courses, they are combined with every courses.
in the second part of the sentence, others suggest that business ethics be taught as a seperate, required courses.

the focus of this sentence is debate between integrated courses and seprated courses.

I guess i must miss something.
Please point out my thoughts.

Thanks in advance

Have a nice day
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Sorry i did not express clear,
the focus of this sentence is debate between integrated courses and separated courses.
So "only" should modify the courses, -- only as a course separated, required course,

C looks good.

But C is incorrect,

I am confused.

Please help

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Going into the meaning aspect, let us analyze B first.
Meaning:
B) Only if it is taught as a separate (as an exclusive), required (mandatory or compulsory) course. So there are two adjective elements to complete the original intent, i.e.: exclusive and compulsory.
C: if it is taught only as a course required separately- here the word required does not convey compulsoriness. C carries only one of the two intents namely 'exclusiveness'. Here the word 'required' is not meaning compulsoriness. To that extent, the original meaning is fractured. This is just a ploy of vocabulary.
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Hii
As per my interpretation, at present the business course is not in their course structure.
But As per C, it seems that the Business is also a subject in the course structure, but the requirement is to teach it separately.
this seems the flaw here

B)only if it is taught as a separate, required course- in this only refers the course, the separate/exclusive course.

C)if it is taught only as a course required separately- in this only modifies the method of teaching, as if the course is already there.

GMATNinja, please help

zoezhuyan wrote:
gmatbusters wrote:
zoezhuyan,

your understanding is right.

Dear experts,
I picked up C because, I thought:
business ethics are integrated into every business course, in another words, business ethics are not seprate courses, they are combined with every courses.
in the second part of the sentence, others suggest that business ethics be taught as a seperate, required courses.

the focus of this sentence is debate between integrated courses and seprated courses.

I guess i must miss something.
Please point out my thoughts.

Thanks in advance

Have a nice day
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Sorry i did not express clear,
the focus of this sentence is debate between integrated courses and separated courses.
So "only" should modify the courses, -- only as a course separated, required course,

C looks good.

But C is incorrect,

I am confused.

Please help

Have a nice day
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Seems i am still struggling with this one.
I am not sure where i missed.

Thanks in advanced
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