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\(x\) and \(y\) are positive integers. What is the remainder when \(x\) is divided by \(2^2\)?

(1) \(y = 7\)

(2) \(x = 3^{78y}\)

Originally posted by blitzkriegxX on 17 Dec 2018, 01:09.
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Hi i would like to know why ans is B here...since third digit is missing how can one determine what wud b the reminder? please explain
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Hi SWAPNILP
I don't want to provide the official explanation soo soon. Wanted to give a chance for others to think as well. :)

Also it is not a digit. It is (78 multiplied by y)

But here is a very big clue for you-
In Gmat a lot of problems depend on pattern recognision. So check the patterns when powers of 3 are divided by 4 mentioned in the question stem.

Edit- oops! Looks like chetan2u gave an awesome response (maybe a little too soon :D).

Originally posted by blitzkriegxX on 17 Dec 2018, 08:02.
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Hi i would like to know why ans is B here...since third digit is missing how can one determine what wud b the reminder? please explain

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\(x\) and \(y\) are positive integers. What is the remainder when \(x\) is divided by \(2^2\)?

(1) \(y = 7\)

(2) \(x = 3^{78y}\)


Hi..
78y is not a 3-digit number but 78*y and you can say this because it is given that y is a positive integer.

so let us see the question..

(1) \(y = 7\)
Nothing about y..
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(2) \(x = 3^{78y}\)
Now, you should check few multiples of 3 and you will find a pattern ..
3^1 divided by 4 leaves 3 as remainder
3^2 =9 leaves 1 as remainder
3^3=27 leaves 3 as remainder and so on.. so pattern is 3,1,3,1...
\(x = 3^{78y}\), and this has an even power 78y, so answer will be that remainder is 1...
sufff

B

Ofcourse other way is binomial expansion.. \(x = 3^{78y}=(4-1)^{78y}\)...
In expansion. all terms except \((-1)^{78y}\) will be multiple of 4, so remainder = \((-1)^{78y}=1\)
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SWAPNILP wrote:
Hi i would like to know why ans is B here...since third digit is missing how can one determine what wud b the reminder? please explain

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\(x\) and \(y\) are positive integers. What is the remainder when \(x\) is divided by \(2^2\)?

(1) \(y = 7\)

(2) \(x = 3^{78y}\)


Hi..
78y is not a 3-digit number but 78*y and you can say this because it is given that y is a positive integer.

so let us see the question..

(1) \(y = 7\)
Nothing about y..
insuff

(2) \(x = 3^{78y}\)
Now, you should check few multiples of 3 and you will find a pattern ..
3^1 divided by 4 leaves 3 as remainder
3^2 =9 leaves 1 as remainder
3^3=27 leaves 3 as remainder and so on.. so pattern is 3,1,3,1...
\(x = 3^{78y}\), and this has an even power 78y, so answer will be that remainder is 1...
sufff

B

Ofcourse other way is binomial expansion.. \(x = 3^{78y}=(4-1)^{78y}\)...
In expansion. all terms except \((-1)^{78y}\) will be multiple of 4, so remainder = \((-1)^{78y}=1\)


thanks chetan2u
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Hi SWAPNILP
I don't want to provide the official explanation soo soon. Wanted to give a chance for others to think as well. :)

But here is a very big clue for you-
In Gmat a lot of problems depend on pattern recognision. So check the patterns when powers of 3 are divided by 4 mentioned in the question stem.

Edit- oops! Looks like chetan2u gave an awesome response (maybe a little too soon :D).



Hi blitzkriegxX,
I wanted to clarify on 78y as a 3-digit number or a product 78*y.
I think in that process, the solution too came out. :)
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Hi blitzkriegxX,
I wanted to clarify on 78y as a 3-digit number or a product 78*y.
I think in that process, the solution too came out. :)



Hey chetan2u
No worries. :)
And you're right. I did mean the product 78*y.
Is this how the product part is expressed in official gmat questions?
Or should I edit my question to 78*y ?
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Hi blitzkriegxX,
I wanted to clarify on 78y as a 3-digit number or a product 78*y.
I think in that process, the solution too came out. :)



Hey chetan2u
No worries. :)
And you're right. I did mean the product 78*y.
Is this how the product part is expressed in official gmat questions?
Or should I edit my question to 78*y ?


Hi..
you are perfectly fine with the way you have written, 78y would mean product unless specified otherwise, and y as positive integer also makes it much more clearer, because if 78y were a 3-digit number, y would be a digit, and not integer.
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What is the question source?

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I wanted to clarify on 78y as a 3-digit number or a product 78*y.
I think in that process, the solution too came out.


By this you mean the solution is B as well? 3^{(195·4)+1}, 3^{(195·4)+2}
I confused the exponents and thought it was a third digit and so selected C
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What is the question source?

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I wanted to clarify on 78y as a 3-digit number or a product 78*y.
I think in that process, the solution too came out.


By this you mean the solution is B as well? 3^{(195·4)+1}, 3^{(195·4)+2}
I confused the exponents and thought it was a third digit and so selected C


Yes, I mean answer is B..
Tye initial statement says that X and y are integers. So if y is an integer, 78y would mean 78*y.
Had it been given that y is a digit, it could have been a 3-digit number. But, here too it is generally given that 78y is a 3-digut number or 78y is an integer etc
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Apologies, I wasn't clear. I meant in the scenario that it is a 3 digit number of 78[y]. Hence the \(3^{(195·4)+1}, 3^{(195·4)+2}\) when y =1 and y=2 and so on, is the answer still B?
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Apologies, I wasn't clear. I meant in the scenario that it is a 3 digit number of 78[y]. Hence the \(3^{(195·4)+1}, 3^{(195·4)+2}\) when y =1 and y=2 and so on, is the answer still B?


No, then the answer will be C.
Reason is that we are dividing X by 2^*2 or 4..
Now X is 3 to the power something.

When you divide 3 with odd power that is 3^1 or 3^3 or 3^781, the remainder will always be 3..
But with even power that is 3^2 or 3^782, the remainder will be 1..
So we have to know whether y is even or odd..

Statement I tells us that it is odd, hence remainder is 1

Thus combined the two statements are sufficient

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But how one can know whether 78y (a three digit no.) or 78*y? It's second time that i got confused in these problems.
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