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ND and Kelley... Kelley gave me some really good aid and I have spoken with those in my dept... I am certain they can do for me what I need. If no one else blows me away I am going to Kelley and I am quite happy with that decision.
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Yale Destroys Confidence; Aspring Applicant Panics Updated on: 12 Feb 2007, 15:10
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I totally feel the ding, its never a good feeling, specially when you dont have any admits. I have applied to 6 schools and have received 3 dings so far so you know what im going through right now. But unlike some of you I have decided not to apply to a backup as I realized I wont be happy there. I am still confident that one of the remaining would turn into an admit....if not, I am better aware of the whole process and would apply again next year.


p.s. its probably a good time to change the avatar :)
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My point is simply... Find a backup school that you don't really consider to be a big compromise. A place you can be happy going to if you didn't end up going to your top picks.
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Very good point that seems to get lost on here at times.
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Yale Destroys Confidence; Aspring Applicant Panics 12 Feb 2007, 15:11
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Kudos ! I don't believe in safety schools. An MBA is a large investment of time and money . The last thing that I wanted was to feel buyer's remorse after ending up in a school that I am not passionate about.

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I totally feel the ding, its never a good feeling, specially when you dont have any admits. I have applied to 6 schools and have received 3 dings so far so you know what im going through right now. But unlike some of you I have decided not to apply to a backup as I realized I wont be happy there. I am still confident that one of the remaining would turn into an admit....if not, I am better aware of the whole process and would apply again next year.
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It probably depends on where you are at, where you want to be, and what you already have. Could Chicago instantly get me the job, likely without too much stuff on the table to begin with? Certainly. But could I get where I want to go with some other work on the side, in my case CFA and work experience? Yeah. But then again I am not in a position that some people are in. I spoke with one guy on Businessweek's forums who was a Tuck applicant. He was just promoted to an associate director of equity analysis at his firm. For him would anything outside of the very top be any good? No probably not... He needs that extra "ultra-elite" edge. For me a career jump just requires a little extra... I'm almost there on my own... The MBA just kinda kicks it over the edge.
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Interesting situation. Do you feel that you require a full-time MBA for that "little extra" ? It seems that you are looking to advance in your current career path. Given your background, what are yout thoughts on Part-time ?

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It probably depends on where you are at, where you want to be, and what you already have. Could Chicago instantly get me the job, likely without too much stuff on the table to begin with? Certainly. But could I get where I want to go with some other work on the side, in my case CFA and work experience? Yeah. But then again I am not in a position that some people are in. I spoke with one guy on Businessweek's forums who was a Tuck applicant. He was just promoted to an associate director of equity analysis at his firm. For him would anything outside of the very top be any good? No probably not... He needs that extra "ultra-elite" edge. For me a career jump just requires a little extra... I'm almost there on my own... The MBA just kinda kicks it over the edge.
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Internships, internships, internships... And while I have some conceptual experience relative to CFA and so on... investment management is still a big leap from brokerage. Could I maybe pull it off? Yeah, but without an MBA and internships and so on it is gonna take alot of time and onerous steps along the way. Prehaps "a little extra" was an exaggeration. But my point was towards the MBA + other Assets combination resulting in added value.
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Makes sense.

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Internships, internships, internships... And while I have some conceptual experience relative to CFA and so on... investment management is still a big leap from brokerage. Could I maybe pull it off? Yeah, but without an MBA and internships and so on it is gonna take alot of time and onerous steps along the way. Prehaps "a little extra" was an exaggeration. But my point was towards the MBA + other Assets combination resulting in added value.
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Internships, internships, internships... And while I have some conceptual experience relative to CFA and so on... investment management is still a big leap from brokerage. Could I maybe pull it off? Yeah, but without an MBA and internships and so on it is gonna take alot of time and onerous steps along the way. Prehaps "a little extra" was an exaggeration. But my point was towards the MBA + other Assets combination resulting in added value.
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Look, Mark! We agree. I am in the same boat. I have a pretty fancy national network in my field. I was lucky enough to work at a pretty famous organization, and savvy enough to work that freebie for all it's worth. I too want the MBA for a "little extra" to boost my career. I actually really want the basics - accounting, finance, marketing, etc. I have done well enough in my own little corner, but need a better background - particularly on the analytical side - to bring it to the next level. I don't think I need Harvard. I mean, it's nice to impress folks with the fancy name, but really, almost any advanced degree will do for what I want next. So why full-time? Because I've always dreamed of getting that advanced degree and don't want to short-change myself. Because I am young enough that I can walk away from full-time work and devote myself full-time to the wine-tasting club. Because I am ready for one more experience before work becomes the everlasting (till retirement) norm.

And yeah, I really do think I'm going to throw in another app. this is the year. I don't want to wait.
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The fact that I have nothing to do other than to wait for decisions is another reason that I keep thinking about doing a couple more.
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Yale Destroys Confidence; Aspring Applicant Panics Updated on: 12 Feb 2007, 20:00
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yeah, that's another thing. Instead of sitting around and worrying about a total ding across the board, I can actually be doing something about it. If nothing else, I will feel better about being proactive.

BTW, does anyone have vocab to describe dings across the board? If not, I would move that we adopt "shooting the moon" as in Hearts. (For those of you who aren't card players, in hearts you normally try to avoid getting points. However, if you manage to get all the points in a hand, then you get to give all the points to you opponent, which is called Shooting the Moon.)
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I have thought alot about curricular structure... not just in B-schools but also for undergrad (prehaps my MA in Education makes me think this way), but for me I want balance...

I applied (and was dinged :)) to Tuck because I enjoyed the environment up there, but in many respects I don't think that Tuck is specialized enough. Tuck is general management 101. If you wanted to take alot of hardcore finance its not gonna happen at Tuck. In retrospect I feel that I would have been wanting for greater specialization at Tuck.

On the other end of the spectrum is Winsconsin, to which I am applying but now some what reserved about... Why? Too much specialization. They have a highly regarded applied securities analysis program, but what if you got to b-school and suddently decided Marketing was for you? Problem there.

Aside from that I am somewhat against the "free curriculum" both in college and grad school. I know for undergrad places like Brown let you take whatever you want and don't even have minimal subject requirements. I hear alot about b-schools with "a minimal core curriculum," "you can take electives in your first semester!" I'm not for this. I think that one should have some requirements and take some cores they may not appreciate for the sake of being a well rounded business person. You want to go into Marketing and hate corporate financie? If you are a VP in Marketing and I am your CEO, I want to know that you have at least a minimal understanding of how your projects are going to be evaluated in terms of ROI.

I don't think that all schools are created equally. I'm not sure rank always has everything to do with it. For example I would agree with my fellow applicants that UNC is one of the best schools out there... In my field the recruiting at UNC is every bit as good as it is at the very top schools and their program is amongst the best structured. But I do think that when looking below the "top schools" you need to evaluate the recruiting strongly. I don't think the top schools always have the educational advantage, but in many cases they do have the recruiting advantage. So if you are applying to a less than top 10 sort of school... I would email everyone there, I have and I have had responses across the board, and ask them (career services, head of your program) what recruiting looks like for your field. I would also include your profile because it helps them tell you where you will end up in their recruiting range. Do they have a few people to the top companies and alot to companies that you don't want to work for?? If they do... what are your chances of being one to the top companies v. all those ones you don't want to work for. Where do you fit in the relative range of positions.
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Just a little over a month 'till R2 decisions start coming out.

A few months ago, I was planning on taking it easy and having fun, but I can't have fun and jinx the decisions.
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yeah, that's another thing. Instead of sitting around and worrying about a total ding across the board, I can actually be doing something about it. If nothing else, I will feel better about being proactive.

BTW, does anyone have vocab to describe dings across the board? If not, I would move that we adopt "shooting the moon" as in Hearts. (For those of you who aren't card players, in hearts you normally try to avoid getting points. However, if you manage to get all the points in a hand, then you get to give all the points to you opponent, which is called Shooting the Moon.)
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Shooting the moon is kind of opposite, because it looks like you totally suck, and wind scoring big time. How about "Hand me a knife" as in hand me a knife so I can slit my wrists? :)
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Yeah, the analogy only goes half-way. But I still kinda like it. Less morbid than yours....
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Yeah, the analogy only goes half-way. But I still kinda like it. Less morbid than yours....
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I vote for FUBARed the application season. :lol:
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As in, "I FUBARed the whole thing" or "the entire thing is FUBAR?"
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As in, "I FUBARed the whole thing" or "the entire thing is FUBAR?"
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Well, FUBAR is both an adjective and a verb, so make your choice and go ahead. I personally prefer the verb version, i.e.: "I FUBARed the application season", 'cause it conveys the idea of you taking responsibility. On the other hand, FUBAR would be suitable to whine about the process, regardless of what you have achieved.

But I recognize the CAPS / NON CAPS construction may sound awkward.

Hope it helps. L.
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I think we need to take this debate to the people.
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I think we need to take this debate to the people.
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Go ahead, mod, make a poll! :lol:
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