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Please help! Is the first sentence "Yellow jacket......" the legendary Nominative absolute or absolute phrase that can be added in front or at the end of the sentence to modify WASP? That is why the sentence is not a run on and not making "...social wasp, wasp..." weird?
No. That is the main subject-verb pair. The second wasps that you see is the one that is a modifier (for social wasps).

Yellow jackets number among the 900 or so species of the world's social wasps, wasps that live in a highly cooperative and organized society consisting almost entirely of females—the queen and her sterile female workers.
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kritikumari, I don't think the they (plural) is ambiguous. It's wrong, because the actual meaning is that it is the society (singular) that consists.
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hey GMATNinja could you please explain why option E is wrong

The first issue with (E) is the parallelism, as described in this post (and others).

Yes, we can use ", and" to connect two independent clauses. But if that's the case here, the first of those independent clauses is: "Yellow jackets number among the 900 or so species of the world's social wasps, living in a society that is highly cooperative, organized." See the problem there? We would need to replace the comma between "cooperative" and "organized" with an "and" (just as you'd write "Tim likes to eat pizza and bagels," not "Tim likes to eat pizza, bagels").

The other problem with (E) is the "-ing" modifier, "living in a society..." What does that modify? At first glance, it seems to modify the entire preceding clause ("Yellow jackets number..."). Are we trying to say that just yellow jackets live in such societies? Nope -- we're trying to say that social wasps in general live in such societies.

I hope that helps!
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The usage of relative pronoun 'which' whenever appears to modify incorrectly/ambiguously, has always been highlighted in the official guide explanations.

But while i was going through the explanation of this very question , the official guide didn't not identify the usage as incorrect. (It just didn't address 'which' for options C and D)

The little i have understood about the usage of 'which' is that it modifies preceding Noun or sometimes even far of nouns, but it does not modify the entire clause.

As per me, I would have eliminated 'which means ' on the basis of usage and abiguity.

Could you please Explain for this little finding of mine in regard to the Official Guide?

For starters, the official guide explanations were written years -- and often a couple of decades -- after the original question was created. So the OG explanations often aren't a great reflection of the question-writers' intent, and in general, it's worth taking those explanations with a grain of salt.

In this case, the test for whether "which" is correct is twofold:

    1) Is the modifier beginning with "which" reasonably close to the noun it modifies?
    2) Does the verb in the modifier agree in number with the noun it describes?

With that in mind, take another look at the relevant portion in (C): "Yellow jackets number among the 900 or so species of the world’s social wasps, which means they live in a highly cooperative and organized society." The verb "means" is singular, so we know that the phrase beginning with "which" needs to modify a singular noun. But there aren't any singular nouns that "which" could possibly modify, so (C) is incorrect. (D) has the exact same problem.

And yes, you're correct that in most cases, "which" should modify the nearest noun. That's not a strict rule, though: as long as "which" modifies a nearby noun, it can be OK -- but the modifier needs to actually make sense and adhere to basic subject-verb agreement rules. And in (C) and (D), it simply doesn't.

I hope that helps!


GMATNinja - Love that test, as there is often a lot of confusion around the use of "which". I wonder if this test can applied to any other modifiers as well?
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Could you please help:

"Yellow jackets number among the 900 or so species of the world’s social wasps,"_________
Isn't the subject here yellow jackets, instead of wasps?
And, isn't : of the world’s social wasps, a prepositional phrase?
Based on the same, would options A, B starting with wasps refer to the correct subject?

Here, have an example:

    "Tim is fond of vintage clothing, clothing that cannot be found at any retail stores."

The phrase "clothing that cannot be found..." clearly describes "vintage clothing," not the subject of the sentence ("Tim").

The same is true in (A) and (B). There is no need for the modifier after the comma to describe the subject of the sentence. In fact, that would be awfully confusing -- if we wanted to modify the subject, we would probably want to stick the modifier right after "yellow jackets". The word "wasps" is repeated to indicate that the comma-separated modifier is giving us more information about the "social wasps" mentioned just before the modifier.

I hope that helps!
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Hi EducationAisle

In option E, doesn't the pronoun "it" refers to society ? It makes sense too as it gives us the information that the society consists of all females.

No problem with "it".

E is not parallel. Notice that E says:

....a society that is highly cooperative, organized, and it consists of almost all females

So, the sentence is: a society that is X, Y, and Z.

X: highly cooperative
Y: organized, and
Z: it consists of almost all females

X, Y, and Z are not grammatically similar here: X and Y are adjective phrases, while Z is an entire clause.

Phrases and clauses are generally not parallel.
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Is THAT also used to modify noun/ pronoun?[/b]

Hi Mansha, "that", when used as a relative pronoun, will always modify a noun or a noun phrase.

For example:

This is the car that I drive.

"that" is modifying the noun "car".

p.s. Our book EducationAisle Sentence Correction Nirvana discusses modifier issues of "that", their application and examples in significant detail. If you or someone is interested, PM me your email-id; I can mail the corresponding section.
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Experts, 1 Quick question : Is THAT also used to modify noun/ pronoun?

Quick answer: Yes!
"That" has various uses, one of them is being used as a relative pronoun. Relative pronouns such as that, which, who, whom refer to nouns/pronouns.
    Who: Refers to a person (as the verb’s subject)
    Whom: Refers to a person (as the verb’s object)
    Which: Refers to an animal or thing
    What: Refers to a nonliving thing
    That: Refers to a person, animal, or thing
You can read more about the usage of that by Clicking here.

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That: Refers to a person, animal, or thing

Would be interesting to see an example in which that is referring to a person.
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Dear Experts,

I am trying to find the actual and strong reason why (A) is wrong.
Although "they" may be ambiguous, "they" can logically refer to wasps because we are talking about wasps and "wasps" is the nearest noun.

However. pronoun ambiguity is not an absolute rule. I'm not sure whether stronger reason to eliminate (A) is that "wasp consist almost entirely of females - the queen and her sterile female workers" doesn't make sense. (Hey, wasps should consist of Male and Female!) It should be a society that consists of ____
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Dear Experts,

I am trying to find the actual and strong reason why (A) is wrong.
Although "they" may be ambiguous, "they" can logically refer to wasps because we are talking about wasps and "wasps" is the nearest noun.

However. pronoun ambiguity is not an absolute rule. I'm not sure whether stronger reason to eliminate (A) is that "wasp consist almost entirely of females - the queen and her sterile female workers" doesn't make sense. (Hey, wasps should consist of Male and Female!) It should be a society that consists of ____


The explanation about the modifier "where" above is a great one.

There is another issue I could point out, though it's not as clear as that one. If we allow 'they' to clearly refer to the 'wasps,' the meaning is strange: "The wasps consist almost entirely of females."

'consists' means to be 'made up of.' So this is saying "The wasps (themselves) are made up of females." I want to say the GROUP of wasps (or, here, the 'society' of wasps) is made up of females. The wasps themselves are made up of... wasp body parts and organs and stuff.
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B: Yellow jackets number among the 900 or so species of the world's social wasps, wasps that live in a highly cooperative and organized society consisting almost entirely of...

Isn't this a run-on sentence?
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Yellow jackets number among the 900 or so species of the world's social wasps, wasps living in a highly cooperative and organized society where they consist almost entirely of females—the queen and her sterile female workers.

A. wasps living in a highly cooperative and organized society where they consist almost entirely of
B. wasps that live in a highly cooperative and organized society consisting almost entirely of
C. which means they live in a highly cooperative and organized society, almost all
D. which means that their society is highly cooperative, organized, and it is almost entirely
E. living in a society that is highly cooperative, organized, and it consists of almost all

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Yellow jackets number among the 900 or so species of the world's social wasps, wasps that live in a highly cooperative and organized society consisting almost entirely of females—the queen and her sterile female workers.


GMATNinja It sounds odd to say social wasps, wasps that live. Could you clarify the modifier in this problem?
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Yellow jackets number among the 900 or so species of the world's social wasps, wasps living in a highly cooperative and organized society where they consist almost entirely of females—the queen and her sterile female workers.

A. wasps living in a highly cooperative and organized society where they consist almost entirely of
It's the society that consists of females, not "wasps" consist of females.

B. wasps that live in a highly cooperative and organized society consisting almost entirely of
cooperative and organized are parallel
consisting correctly modifies society

E. living in a society that is highly cooperative, organized, and it consists of almost all

Not sure the exact error in (C) & (D) but I'm going to take a shot at them


C. which means they live in a highly cooperative and organized society, almost all
society, almost all females. There are no modifiers describing society. "almost all female" doesn't make sense.

D. which means that their society is highly cooperative, organized, and it is almost entirely

their society: wasps' society or Yellow jackets' society ?
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I agree with answer and explanation. But what my previous knowledge tell me about absolute phrase is as below.
Independent clause, noun + verb-ed/ing.
noun + verb-ed/ing is absolute phrase.
Now with my understanding I rewrite this sentence in following manner.
wasps living in a highly cooperative and organized society consisting almost entirely of

Please appraise my understanding. And let me know where I am wrong to get clarity in concept.
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The usage of relative pronoun 'which' whenever appears to modify incorrectly/ambiguously, has always been highlighted in the official guide explanations.

But while i was going through the explanation of this very question , the official guide didn't not identify the usage as incorrect. (It just didn't address 'which' for options C and D)

The little i have understood about the usage of 'which' is that it modifies preceding Noun or sometimes even far of nouns, but it does not modify the entire clause.

As per me, I would have eliminated 'which means ' on the basis of usage and abiguity.

Could you please Explain for this little finding of mine in regard to the Official Guide?
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Actually, GMAC allows "where" to be used for societies, https://gmatclub.com/forum/many-population-studies-have-linked-a-high-salt-diet-to-high-rates-of-49782.html.

E)
"Living" implies that this is happening right now -- or during the timeframe of the sentence, whenever that might be -- but not necessarily at other times.
"That live" implies a general/permanent fact.
This sentence is clearly trying to give a general description of the way wasps live, so "that live" is better. -- Ron
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