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Hi GMATNinja,
I am confused between B and D and i chose D as the answer.
Can you please explain what is wrong with D?

Thanks a lot for your help.
Let's take another look at the conclusion of the argument:
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Hence, the herb's high histidine production must be the key feature that allows it to grow in metal-rich soils.
From the passage, we know that a certain herb can survive in metal-rich soils. The conclusion of the passage states that this survival ability is due to the herb's histidine production. The correct answer choice to evaluate this argument should raise a question that, if answered, would shed more light on whether histidine is truly the "key feature" that allows the herb to grow in toxic soil.

Let's take a look at answer choice (D):
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(D) Whether growing the herb in soil with high concentrations of the metals will, over time, reduce their concentrations in the soil
This answer choice is interesting -- if the herb reduces the amount of metals in the soil over time, then maybe later generations of the herb do not need any special adaptations to soil with toxic metals.

However, we know from the evidence in the passage that the herb can survive in toxic soil. Even if later generations do not have to do so, we still need to know whether the herb is able to survive because of its histidine production or some other factor.

In other words, even if the metals in the soil are gradually reduced over time, how did the first generation of the herb survive in the toxic soil? Answering the question raised in answer choice (D) would not clarify role of histidine in the herb's survival, so it does not help us evaluate the argument in the passage. Eliminate (D).

I hope that helps!

GMATNinja, I thought that even while growing it was reducing the floors metals, therefore it would have it's small habitable place. This was such a good answer for me... I've seen all of your videos and thought that I had this one...
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Hi GMATNinja,
I am confused between B and D and i chose D as the answer.
Can you please explain what is wrong with D?

Thanks a lot for your help.
Let's take another look at the conclusion of the argument:
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Hence, the herb's high histidine production must be the key feature that allows it to grow in metal-rich soils.
From the passage, we know that a certain herb can survive in metal-rich soils. The conclusion of the passage states that this survival ability is due to the herb's histidine production. The correct answer choice to evaluate this argument should raise a question that, if answered, would shed more light on whether histidine is truly the "key feature" that allows the herb to grow in toxic soil.

Let's take a look at answer choice (D):
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(D) Whether growing the herb in soil with high concentrations of the metals will, over time, reduce their concentrations in the soil
This answer choice is interesting -- if the herb reduces the amount of metals in the soil over time, then maybe later generations of the herb do not need any special adaptations to soil with toxic metals.

However, we know from the evidence in the passage that the herb can survive in toxic soil. Even if later generations do not have to do so, we still need to know whether the herb is able to survive because of its histidine production or some other factor.

In other words, even if the metals in the soil are gradually reduced over time, how did the first generation of the herb survive in the toxic soil? Answering the question raised in answer choice (D) would not clarify role of histidine in the herb's survival, so it does not help us evaluate the argument in the passage. Eliminate (D).

I hope that helps!

GMATNinja, I thought that even while growing it was reducing the floors metals, therefore it would have it's small habitable place. This was such a good answer for me... I've seen all of your videos and thought that I had this one...
It’s important to remember that the argument’s conclusion is NOT that the certain herb can grow in metal-rich soils. Rather, the conclusion is that “the herb's high histidine production must be the key feature that allows it to grow in metal-rich soils.” So, we need an answer choice to help evaluate whether the high histidine production is what allows growth in metal-rich soils.

With that in mind, let’s think about (D) another way: If growing the herb in soil with high concentrations of metals will reduce their concentrations in the soil, then we know that the herb reduces the concentration of metals. But we still don’t know whether the high histidine production allows that reduction. In other words, is the high histidine production the key feature behind the reduction of metals, or is it something else? We simply don’t know, and thus (D) doesn’t help evaluate the argument.

On the other hand, if growing the herb in soil with high concentrations of metals will NOT reduce their concentrations in the soil, we know that the herb does not reduce the concentration of metals. But the herb is still able to thrive in metal-rich soils, and the passage simply said that histidine renders metals chemically inert (not chemically reactive), which is different than reducing the concentration of metals altogether. So, either way, (D) does not help us evaluate whether the high histidine production is the key feature behind the plant’s ability to grow in metal-rich soils. Eliminate (D).

I hope that helps!
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"A certain cultivated herb is one of a group of closely related plants that thrive in soil with high concentrations of metals that are toxic to most other plants."

I missed that all of the herbs in this group thrives in the soil. I thought that only this "certain herb" was the one in this group that thrives in this type of soil. I should have been more careful and noticed the S-V-agreement. As a result, I did not get why B was relevant. Maybe the other plants in this group did not even grow in this type of soil.
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"A certain cultivated herb is one of a group of closely related plants that thrive in soil with high concentrations of metals that are toxic to most other plants."

I missed that all of the herbs in this group thrives in the soil. I thought that only this "certain herb" was the one in this group that thrives in this type of soil. I should have been more careful and noticed the S-V-agreement. As a result, I did not get why B was relevant. Maybe the other plants in this group did not even grow in this type of soil.


you can also reach to B if you stick to conclsuion:
Hence, the herb's high histidine production must be the key feature that allows it to grow in metal-rich soils.

in short, you need to find a reason why on earth high histidine production could be feature to grow in such a soil
I missed too B in first case , but when i compared with other options, I could see remotely that in B , we are going to check similar other plants that grow in such a environment.
So it means this plant is not just one such plant. - this informaiton can be verfified from argument " group".
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GMATNinja VeritasKarishma - please help!!

Got it WRONG TWICE! (E & A)

E) whether the concentration of histidine in the growing herb declines as the plant approaches maturity

My Logic - I thought "Maturity" here means plant dying off, so as the plant dies off the histidine concentration reduces, meaning it starts reacting with the metal and that in turn causes the plant to reach Maturity or die off!

A) Whether the herb can thrive in soil that does not have high concentrations of toxic metals.

My Logic - Maybe it is the Metal that is helping this plant to grow and it will die off in other types of healthy soil? Maybe there is something else that is within the metal soil that helps this plant to grow this is the environment, if we test this in other soil, we may know that
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GMATNinja VeritasKarishma - please help!!

Got it WRONG TWICE! (E & A)

E) whether the concentration of histidine in the growing herb declines as the plant approaches maturity

My Logic - I thought "Maturity" here means plant dying off, so as the plant dies off the histidine concentration reduces, meaning it starts reacting with the metal and that in turn causes the plant to reach Maturity or die off!

Maturity means different things in different contexts but with plants, it often means when they gain full height and start bearing fruit etc.
If you thought that maturity is "dying off", it is all the more reason to reject the option. If the plant is dying, then histidine and everything else will shut down. Then metals or no metals has on impact. The point is what happens when the plant is planted in the soil. Does it flourish or not.

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A) Whether the herb can thrive in soil that does not have high concentrations of toxic metals.

My Logic - Maybe it is the Metal that is helping this plant to grow and it will die off in other types of healthy soil? Maybe there is something else that is within the metal soil that helps this plant to grow this is the environment, if we test this in other soil, we may know that

What the herb does in healthy soil is irrelevant. Stay within the scope of the argument. We are discussing what it does in toxic soil.
If it doesn't thrive in healthy soil, it could be because of any N number of things.
If it does thrive in healthy soil, no help to our argument anyway.

The question is this - Is histidine the thing that helps the herb to thrive in toxic soil?
Focus on the answer to this only. Yes it is or no it isn't.
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Hi All,

Argument : Hence the herb's high histidine production MUST BE THE KEY FEATURE THAT allows it to grow in metal rich soils.

To evaluate the argument, we need to check whether the so called group of plants - of which herb is a member, has the same characteristic.
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Why can't the answer be option D. The argument says that the chemical renders metal chemically inert in test tubes. Therefore, it would be useful to know whether they do the same in the soil, out in mother nature. There could be some factors in nature that prevent it from rendering the metals neutral. Hence, it would be useful to know if the soil's metal content did decrease.

Option B talks about other plants producing histidine. How does that have anything to do with the herb in question? I understand that the herbs are closely related, but they could be using different mechanisms for surviving the metal content in the soil.

I feel both options are equally correct.
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Why can't the answer be option D. The argument says that the chemical renders metal chemically inert in test tubes. Therefore, it would be useful to know whether they do the same in the soil, out in mother nature. There could be some factors in nature that prevent it from rendering the metals neutral. Hence, it would be useful to know if the soil's metal content did decrease.

Option B talks about other plants producing histidine. How does that have anything to do with the herb in question? I understand that the herbs are closely related, but they could be using different mechanisms for surviving the metal content in the soil.

I feel both options are equally correct.
For an explanation of (D), have you checked out this post and this post?

Those posts also contain some thoughts on (B), but here's one additional thing to consider: the author concludes that histidine MUST be the key feature that allows the herb to thrive. But what if the other herbs DON'T have high histidine, and yet they still thrive? That would certainly cast doubt on the author's conclusion. On the other hand, if all of the related herbs DO have high histidine, it would support that conclusion.

While you're right that info about the other herbs wouldn't 100% prove or disprove the author's conclusion, that's fine! We're just looking for the option that would be "most important to determine" to evaluate the argument. (B) would have important implications for the author's conclusion, and that's enough to choose (B).

I hope that helps!
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Hi zhanbo ReedArnoldMPREP - i chose (C) unfortunately. This is an evaluate question so the OA must strengthen/weaken. Option (C) i thought did that

Thoughts on where i might be going wrong when I create these 2 branches for option (C) ?

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(C) - Branch 1 - the herb's high level of histidine production is associated with an unusually low level of production of some other amino acid - Weaken

This weakens the conclusion because this branch showcases another possible reason (i.e. LOW LEVEL of OTHER amino acids) as the cause for why why metals to go inert

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(C) Branch 2 - the herb's high level of histidine production is NOT associated with an unusually low level of production of some other amino acid - Strengthen

This strengthens the conclusion because this ELIMINATES another reason (i.e. LOW LEVEL of amino acids) as the reason for why metals go inert
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Thoughts on where i might be going wrong IanStewart when I create these 2 branches for option (C) ?

The only amino acid we know makes metals inert is histidine. That's singled out as a special feature of histidine. There's no reason to think all amino acids, or even any of them besides histidine, have this property. I think that's what you've assumed, though, when you created your two branches.
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Thoughts on where i might be going wrong IanStewart when I create these 2 branches for option (C) ?

The only amino acid we know makes metals inert is histidine. That's singled out as a special feature of histidine. There's no reason to think all amino acids, or even any of them besides histidine, have this property. I think that's what you've assumed, though, when you created your two branches.

Thank you IanStewart - yes i assumed OTHER amino acids woluld also make metals inert.

Just to deepen my analysis -- lets say OTHER amino acids DEFINITELY did make metals inert.

Would you agree then -- the 2 branches would be the following

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High levels of histadine is associated with low levels of other amino acids == this strengthens because we know histadine is likely the cause
High levels of histadine is associated with high levels of other amino acids == this should weaken because now the other amino acid is likely the cause


Would you say, then it would helpfull to evaluate (C ) if we knew for sure -- other AMINO ACIDS definitely did make metals inert.

Curious on your thoughts.
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Just to deepen my analysis -- lets say OTHER amino acids DEFINITELY did make metals inert.

Yes, if we knew histidine was just one of many amino acids that make toxic metals inert, and if it was possible that plants produced those other amino acids too, then we'd be less sure that histidine was the "key feature" (the claim of the argument's conclusion) that explains how this plant survives. If we wanted to be sure histidine was the key to its survival, we'd then become interested in whether the plant produces some other amino acid that might be more important. But we're a long way from that situation in this question, as it's written.
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I have one doubt.

We have to evaluate that "Hence, the herb's high histidine production must be the key feature that allows it to grow in metal-rich soils."
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Argument clearly states that "A certain cultivated herb is one of a group of closely related plants that thrive in soil with high concentrations of metals that are toxic to most other plants".

The information in option B provides that others of closely related groups produces the amino acids. How does this information impact the conclusion? if you say no, this clearly states that the other group doesn't have capability to grow in metal rich area. but it will not affect that herb's high histidine production must be the key feature that allows it to grow in metal-rich soils.


I think you have misunderstood the argument a bit. Here is what it says:

Argument:

- A certain cultivated herb is one of a group of closely related plants that thrive in soil with high concentrations of metals that are toxic to most other plants.

So this herb is one of a group of plants. All plants in this group of plants thrive in soil with high concentration of metals. These metals are toxic to most other plants.

- Agronomists studying the growth of this herb have discovered that it produces large amounts of histidine, an amino acid that, in test - tube solutions, renders these metals chemically inert.

We are given that this herb produces histidine which makes these metals inactive.

Conclusion: The herb's high histidine production must be the key feature that allows it to grow in metal-rich soils.

We don't really know what makes the herb flourish in high metal soil. It could be histidine or it could be that it produces 10 other chemicals which allow it to flourish in metal rich soil. Since all these plants are closely related and only they are the ones who thrive in metal rich soils, it is likely that they have some common feature that helps them thrive. We are guessing its histidine. How do we find out whether our claim holds value?
If we evaluate whether the other plants in the group also produce histidine, it helps us. How? If other plants also produce lots of histidine, it becomes more likely that histidine is the one which helps these plants thrive. If other plants do not produce histidine, it becomes likely that they all produce some other chemical which helps them thrive.
Hence (B) helps us evaluate "what is it that allows this herb to grow in metal-rich soils?"

Answer (B)

KarishmaB
Thank you for your thorough analysis. I realized that this question has been discussed at nauseam, but I am still confused as to what Choice (C) is saying and why it is incorrect. Would you be able to share your view on this?

Thank you again :)
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Great question because it warrants close attention to detail. Almost like an RC passage!

Like others have mentioned, I believe the only thing pointing towards option B is the statement A certain cultivated herb is one of a group of closely related plants that thrive in soil with high concentrations of metals We're talking about plants that thrive in toxic metal soil conditions. Hence, knowing whether the other plants in the group also produce Histidine is critical to evaluate the conclusion (which is: the herb's high histidine production must be the key feature that allows it to grow in metal-rich soils)
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A certain cultivated herb is one of a group of closely related plants that thrive in soil with high concentrations of metals that are toxic to most other plants. Agronomists studying the growth of this herb have discovered that it produces large amounts of histidine, an amino acid that, in test-tube solutions, renders these metals chemically inert. Hence, the herb's high histidine production must be the key feature that allows it to grow in metal-rich soils.

In evaluating the argument, it would be most important to determine which of the following?


(A) Whether the herb can thrive in soil that does not have high concentrations of the toxic metals

(B) Whether others of the closely related group of plants also produce histidine in large quantities

(C) Whether the herb's high level of histidine production is associated with an unusually low level of production of some other amino acid

(D) Whether growing the herb in soil with high concentrations of the metals will, over time, reduce their concentrations in the soil

(E) Whether the concentration of histidine in the growing herb declines as the plant approaches maturity



Conclusion:
Herb's histidine allows it to grow in metallic soil.

Premises:
Metallic soil is toxic to most plants but not to herb and others in herb's family.
Herb produces histidine.
In test tubes, histidine neutralizes metals.

Before we even look at the answer choices, two big things stick out:
1. This one herb produces histidine. The one herb along with family members thrive in metallic soil. Do the others also produce histidine. If not, there must be some other explanation for why the other family members also thrive.
2. Could there be some reason histidine acts differently in nature than it does in test tubes? If it doesn't neutralize metals in nature, there must be some other explanation for why herb thrives.

Let's look at the answer choices:
(A) Whether the herb can thrive in soil that does not have high concentrations of the toxic metals
A lot of plants thrive in a lot of non-metallic environments. Whether this one does or not doesn't say anything about why this one also thrives in metallic environments. Eliminate.
(B) Whether others of the closely related group of plants also produce histidine in large quantities
If the other plants don't produce histidine but still thrive in metallic soil, there must be some other cause, at least for them. Maybe that other cause also applies to the herb. Keep it.
(C) Whether the herb's high level of histidine production is associated with an unusually low level of production of some other amino acid
How would low levels of other amino acids impacted our hypothesis that histidine helps this herb thrive in metallic soil? And this certainly wouldn't help resolve the issue of determining whether what's true of the herb is true for the rest of the family. Eliminate.
(D) Whether growing the herb in soil with high concentrations of the metals will, over time, reduce their concentrations in the soil
Hmm, that might help explain whether the histidine has a similar impact on metals in nature as it does in test tubes. But there's also the chance that these soils were metallic in the first place because there's something making them metallic. If that other factor persists, it might cause the soil to stay just as metallic, so just because the soil is just as metallic wouldn't tell us whether the histidines are doing their thing. Eliminate.
(E) Whether the concentration of histidine in the growing herb declines as the plant approaches maturity
Maybe it only needs histidine in its formative stages. Histidine could be critically important early on and not at all later. This wouldn't tell us whether histidine is important early on. Eliminate.

Answer choice B.
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Hi Team,

Could some expert correct me if my analysis on option E is wrong?

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A certain cultivated herb is one of a group of closely related plants that thrive in soil with high concentrations of metals that are toxic to most other plants. Agronomists studying the growth of this herb have discovered that it produces large amounts of histidine, an amino acid that, in test-tube solutions, renders these metals chemically inert. Hence, the herb's high histidine production must be the key feature that allows it to grow in metal-rich soils.

(E) Whether the concentration of histidine in the growing herb declines as the plant approaches maturity

I think that E in some way helps us if we answer YES to the question: it weakens the belief that histidine is the key feature that allows the plants to grow in metal-rich soils, since it does not anymore produce high histidine production as the concentration of histidine declines.

However, when we answer NO to the question, it does not strengthen the belief that histidine must be the key feature since it does not have any impact on the conclusion.

For that reason we can reject choice E.

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