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A certain square is to be drawn on a coordinate plane. One
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27 Mar 2007, 18:54
A certain square is to be drawn on a coordinate plane. One of the vertices must be on the origin, and the square is to have an area of 100. If all coordinates of the vertices must be integers, how many different ways can this square be drawn?
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4? one for each quadrant...
I tried using 454590 but the vertex coordinate would be (5sqrt(2), 5sqrt(2)) not integers..
I tried using 306090 but the vertex coordinate would be (5,5sqrt(3)) not integers...
Unless two sides of the square are the x and y axis...hmm....



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Should be A.
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I think answer should be 4, one square for each quadrant.
Fig is the master of coordinate geometry...Fig!!! please save us
Poster of this question please edit your post' subject and add ATTN:Fig to catch his attention



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My approach is bit different.
Try to find the possible vertices,
1. Set1  4 squares, one in each quadrant. Vertices (0,0) (0,10) (0,10) (10,0) (10,0)
2 Set2  Rotate the set 1 of the squares in clockwise so that the the vertex of (10,0) becomes (8,6). There will be 4 squares with this orientation.
3 Set3 Rotate the set1 squares further so that the the vertex of (10,0) becomes (6,8).There will be 4 squares with this orientation.
Hence there will be 4+4+4 = 12 squares.
It's hard to imagine that way without putting it diagrammatically.
Attached is the diagram. It;s not accurate but will certainly help you visualizing the squares orientation.



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E for me.
12 ways to draw the square.
4 like you all say plus another because
when the side of the square which willbe drawn diagonally such that coordinate x = 6 and y=8, forming a right triangle.
Plus another 4 when x & y interchange values
ie
when x=8 & y=10,
the side of the square will be 10.



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(E) for me ... Is it really a GMAT question
First of all, the square pocesses 4 sides of 10.
Let set:
o Point 1 : (x1,y1)
o Point 2 : (x2,y2) : diagonally opposed to the vertice on 0(0,0)
o Point 3 : (x3,y3)
Then, we have:
o x1^2+y1^2 = 100
o x3^2+y3^2 = 100
o x2^2+y2^2 = 200
Also, notice that y1/x1, y2/x2 and y3/x3 are the slopes of the equation passing by 0(0,0) and respectively the point 1, 2 and 3.
By the property of a square, we know that the sides 01 and 03 are perpendicular. Thus, we have:
o y1/x1 * y3/x3 = 1
Also, by properties of vectors, notice that:
o x2 = x1+x3
o y2 = y1+y3
But how could we obtain 100 with 2 integers?
o 8^2 + 6^2 = 100
o 10^2 + 0^2 = 100
Also, there are symetries that recreate similar squares by coordonates of integers in other quadrans.
To solve this issue, we should consider only 1 cadran and we should not exchange values of x1 and y1 : x1 to be equal to y1 and y1 to be equal x1 Indeed, it recreates only another point 3.
Arbitrarly, I choose the cadran 1.
How many square are done from x1 > 0 and y1 > 0 (Cadran 1)?
o If x1 = 8 and y1 = 6, then:
> x3=6 and y3=8 and x2 = 2 and y2 = 14
or
> x3=6 and y3=8 and x2 = 14 and y2 = 2
>>>> 2
Then, how many square possesses 2 sides : one on X and one on Y axes?
>>>> 4 : 1 by cadran.
Finally,
we have : 4*2 + 4 = 12
Originally posted by Fig on 28 Mar 2007, 14:50.
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Summer3 wrote: I think answer should be 4, one square for each quadrant. Fig is the master of coordinate geometry...Fig!!! please save us Poster of this question please edit your post' subject and add ATTN:Fig to catch his attention
.... A bit overstated :p
Originally posted by Fig on 28 Mar 2007, 14:54.
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Re: how many squares in a plane
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amd08 wrote: A certain square is to be drawn on a coordinate plane. One of the vertices must be on the origin, and the square is to have an area of 100. If all coordinates of the vertices must be integers, how many different ways can this square be drawn? 4 6 8 10 12
Such a square must have a point P(x,y) that is sqrt(200) from the origin
i.e. x^2+y^2=200 where x and y are integers
x=sqrt(200y^2)
y could be 2,10,14
So, I guess there will be 12 such squares
Let's confirm:
Let's look at the squares in an organized way. Let P(x,y) be the vertex of the side OP we would encounter if we started at the y axis and looked clockwise. How many such pairs (x,y) are there? x=sqrt(100y^2), where x and y are both integers, so we can make a chart:
y ..... x
0..........10
6...........8
8...........6
10.........0
So P(x,y) must be one of {(0,10),(6,8),(8,6),(10,0), (8,6), (6,8),(0,10), (6,8),(8,6),(10,0),(8,6),(6,8)} Thus there are 12 squares, confirming the simplier method above



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No Fig, I did not overstate
Could you please give the figures from your favorite webpage showing these squares?
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indeed its E. Thanks!



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At least, I can try
I have represented the point that I epressed from 1 (x1,y1) in the cadran 1 and I have added the special square with 1 and 3 on X & Y axes to give a point 2 in cadran 1.
As u can see, by mirroring with X and Y axes of the figure, we obtain the other squares in cadran II, III and IV.
And also, to avoid confusion, we should not flip X1 > Y1 and Y1 > X1 because we recreate a point 3 and so a square already considered.
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wow!! nice Fig!!!
Thanks!



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Fig's explanation is good. There is also a visual way to do this:
First, if one vertex is on integer coordinates, then all of them will be. You can draw a picture and use geometric similarities to see this. Thus, the problem reduces to rotating a vertex adjacent to the origin in a circle, and counting the times it passes through an integer coordinate. This then, will give (going counterclockwise) (10,0), (8,6), (6,8), (0,10), (6,8), ... (8,6) for a total of 12.



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I think GMAT doesn't ask for the whole solution but want you to find the trick.
Trick is to find points on circle (origin 0,0 and radius 10).
Equation of circle
x^2 + y^2 = 10
how many times both x and y will be integers?
only when x and y (6,8) and (0,10)
so there are 12 points
(0,10), (10,0) (0,10) (10,0)
(6,8) (8,6) (8,6) (6,8) (6,8) (8,6) (8,6) (6,8)
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ps_dahiya wrote: I think GMAT doesn't ask for the whole solution but want you to find the trick.
Trick is to find points on circle (origin 0,0 and radius 10). Equation of circle x^2 + y^2 = 10
how many times both x and y will be integers? only when x and y (6,8) and (0,10) so there are 12 points (0,10), (10,0) (0,10) (10,0) (6,8) (8,6) (8,6) (6,8) (6,8) (8,6) (8,6) (6,8)
Ans : 12
Small correction,
Equation of Circle:
x^2 + y^2 = r^2 = 10^2 = 100 (If center of the circle is at origin)
However, indeed a good approach.
 Brajesh



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