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Ok, just read the most up to date opinion. It basically tells GMAC to stuff it and that $2.35M is plenty of damage. It says nothing about reversing its position on the hard drive issue or shutting down the site. What that means is that there is another set of opinions I haven't found. Something after all this. Dangit, this is getting expensive!
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I'm stumped! The next case they filed was in March 2008 and it looks like it was just to get their money (I also find it interesting that the John Does are all dismissed without prejudice).

"Docket Text: CERTIFICATION OF JUDGMENT FOR REGISTRATION IN ANOTHER DISTRICT received from USDC, Eastern District of Virginia at Alexandria Division, case number 1:07cv605-LMB/BRP, DEFAULT JUDGMENT AND ORDER that the plaintiff Graduate Management Admission Council recover of the defendant Lei Shi the sum of $2.35 million, plus $219,538.43 in costs and reasonable attorneys fees and ORDERED that John Does 1-5 be and are DISMISSED without prejuce as defendants from this civil action, entered in the sending district on 1/7/2008. Entered in this district on 3/26/2008., filed by Plaintiff Graduate Management Admission Council. [MD JS-6 Case Terminated.] (et)"

In other words, I can't find any record of when the judge actually issued an order to shut down the site or give up the hard drives.
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Thanks for the updates, rhyme!
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Dont expect much more I have to work now :)

but first... I'm going to call their lawyer and see if I cant get a copy of whatever the last opinion was.
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Rhyme- if you see in PACER, GMAC did file a complaint against scorechase.com (GMAC vs Saxena) as well but it looks like the case was either dismissed or settled.
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Rhyme- if you see in PACER, GMAC did file a complaint against scorechase.com (GMAC vs Saxena) as well but it looks like the case was either dismissed or settled.
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Yea, but thats a different case. I was looking for the opinion in this case that actually said GMAC.COM had a right to the hard drive. That doesn't appear to exist.
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Actually thats not true. Read page 2 of the response document uploaded by rhyme. In this document, GMAC specifically names the materials that it wants to be removed from scoretop. GMAC specifically mentions the 1000SC document by name. Now, its anyone's guess if GMAC only suspected these documents to contain live questions or whether they actually determined that live questions were present in that document. There is also the possibility that GMAC is claiming copyright infringement because some OG questions were posted in the document.

I am re-uploading the response document again.


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That's my guess as well.

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I think it is just a collection of questions from a lot of sources, including the OG.

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You know, that sounds eerily familiar. I completely ignored it (scouts honor), mainly b/c I never heard of it and didn't care to go to yet another crappy website.

Could the 1000 series be the original, or dated JJs?
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Actually thats not true. Read page 2 of the response document uploaded by rhyme. In this document, GMAC specifically names the materials that it wants to be removed from scoretop. GMAC specifically mentions the 1000SC document by name. Now, its anyone's guess if GMAC only suspected these documents to contain live questions or whether they actually determined that live questions were present in that document. There is also the possibility that GMAC is claiming copyright infringement because some OG questions were posted in the document.

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Good find nc. I think they are talking about copy right infringement here as they do not say "live" questions when talking about 1000SC. They do talk about the "live" ones separately. Atleast thats my interpretation.
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Another example as to why this forum is head and shoulders the best around...

Thanks for the investigative work Rhyme.. I am going to sit back and read the PDFs now.

From what you mentioned, it seems that GMAC is huffing and puffing more than willing to act. It will be interesting to see if there are any opinions that state the hard-drive must be turned over?

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Another example as to why this forum is head and shoulders the best around...

Thanks for the investigative work Rhyme.. I am going to sit back and read the PDFs now.

From what you mentioned, it seems that GMAC is huffing and puffing more than willing to act. It will be interesting to see if there are any opinions that state the hard-drive must be turned over?

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Well, it's looking like all scare tactics to me based on reviewing what Rhyme has posted.

No hard drive (or access to payment records), no way to revoke test-taker scores who used scoretop.
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The BW article says that GMAC is in possession of the hard drives and has control of the site
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Yes, there seems to be a bit of discrepancy there. The Judge's ruling states that ST did not have to turn over anything, but GMAC says it has everything...
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Talking about investigative powers, you should read the 800 GMAT post by some troll. He was brought to knees by some awesome critical reasoning by GMAT clubbers...I think that thread is still around somewhere.

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The document that Rhyme posted is from March '08. GMAC has come out with its statement on June 20th. So, something could have happened in the last 3 months for the ruling to have been overturned.



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The BW article says that GMAC is in possession of the hard drives and has control of the site
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Disinformation is a great tool to create fear.
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I hope they're not just fearmongering and something actually comes out of this~
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It cost me $13 more dollars to find the damn thing, but...

See paypalorder.pdf first...

and then see 18-13.

Although it doesnt say that they get access to his hard drive, clearly the discovery process included access to some information, and most notably, access to his paypal account. It may well be that they got that during the discovery process. If so, I wonder why they didn't introduce additional evidence from discovery in the docs, but maybe I missed something.

I talked to the district court in VA, and they tell me the case is complete and PACER is up to date. That begs the question, how did they get it shut down? I'm now thinking that they probably just sent a letter to the registrar and had it done.

The only other explanation is that the california case included such data. I've blown another 24 cents finding out, only to be given a PDF that stated:

"THIS DOCUMENT CONTAINS NON-PUBLIC INFORMATION PURSUANT TO THE E-GOVERNMENT ACT OF 2002 AND IS RESTRICTED FROM PUBLIC VIEWING"

I have absolutely not clue what in the heck could be in there that is non public, and I've skimmed through the e-government act of 2002, and I can't find anything in there that would explain that answer. All I can think of is that maybe it contains information from the FBI investigation, which I've discovered is actually ongoing. Thats the last possibility - maybe the data from the server was procured by the FBI as part of their investigation and they may have shared the results ?

And that ladies, is where I stop. $25 into it ... no more money!
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Great stuff Rhyme :)

So now this begs the question- where do the VIP users come into the picture? So far they dont seem to have to have access to that information, unless it is in that March 08 unavailable documents or in the HD. Well, they could still have access to the paypal account I guess.

Also, in that exhibit 12, they state that he has received over $300,000 in payments. Assuming all of them are from this, then there are 10,000 users implicated in this right?
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Awesome stuff rhyme.

+25 kudos as compensation!
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