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# Another Cheating Scandal

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23 Jul 2008, 11:21
Thanks for the encouragement about the GMAT. I'm finishing up the PowerScore CR Bible. Going to do another challenge or 2. Look over number properties again. Do some selected problems out of the OG toward the back of each section to hopefully get the hardest of all the sections. then Thursday night Im' going to read back over Chineseburned's guide to AWA. Get a good night's sleep and go see what damage i can do.
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23 Jul 2008, 12:22
Wow that chat was almost entirely useless.
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23 Jul 2008, 12:23
rhyme wrote:
Wow that chat was almost entirely useless.

Seriously.

What's next? palm printing in lieu of finger printing?
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23 Jul 2008, 12:43
kidderek wrote:
Seriously.

What's next? palm printing in lieu of finger printing?

Glad to hear I wasn't the only one who went, "Huh?!" I fail to see how palm prints will be more useful in identifying repeat cheaters any more so than finger prints.
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23 Jul 2008, 18:05
sam77sam7 wrote:
kidderek wrote:
Seriously.

What's next? palm printing in lieu of finger printing?

Glad to hear I wasn't the only one who went, "Huh?!" I fail to see how palm prints will be more useful in identifying repeat cheaters any more so than finger prints.

I also didn't get it. I tried switching fingers on my way back after a break once just to see if it was recording fingerprints or comparing them, and it definitely already compares them. I got a bid fat red X on the screen and the guy says "I said index finger."
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23 Jul 2008, 21:36
rhyme wrote:
I also didn't get it. I tried switching fingers on my way back after a break once just to see if it was recording fingerprints or comparing them, and it definitely already compares them. I got a bid fat red X on the screen and the guy says "I said index finger."

Haha. It's great that you even thought to try it during the test
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24 Jul 2008, 01:34
smkrn wrote:
My guess is that the percentiles won't change as a result of this investigation because GMAC is only going after people that actually made posts about the JJs (either posting questions or posting that they recognized them). My guess is that of the 6000 people that payed for VIP access (that GMAC has record of), a small portion actually made posts that meet the requirements for investigation from GMAC (this is just my guess). If this is accurate, then there probably aren't too many scores that will really be canceled, and probably not enough scores will be canceled to really impact the percentiles. But that's just my opinion.

I agree with that, even if I'm an Arsenal fan.

What bugs me even more is the following:
GMACPegJ: GMAC is limiting its investigation to those individuals who
GMACPegJ: a) posted GMAT questions they saw on their GMAT exam, and
GMACPegJ: b) posted a message on Scoretop confirming that they saw items from the Scoretop website on their GMAT exam.

That's basically saying: "As long as you did not talk online about the real questions that you bought/were given/downloaded you will not be investigated".

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24 Jul 2008, 01:57
Its as simple as this...

GMAC has used this scoretop issue as a warning for potential test takers to refrain from sites where they may potentially pay for live questions and jeopardize their careers.

Despite GMAC's leniency on VIP members who just referred the site , it is certainly not lenient on those who shared test questions or claimed that they saw such questions in their exams, as it will potentially bar them from taking the GMAT in the future. This group will also be a fairly significant in number, as GMAC wouldnt have made so much noise otherwise. Again a substantial part of this group will comprise of students who have graduated , or currently in Business School, and it has yet to be seen on what action is taken against them by B Schools, once theyre notified by GMAC.

Will these students be expelled by B Schools as GMAC has said that there is no way they can retake their GMAT again ?
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24 Jul 2008, 02:17
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Will these students be expelled by B Schools as GMAC has said that there is no way they can retake their GMAT again ?

http://www.stacyblackman.com/2008/07/16 ... ve-to-say/
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24 Jul 2008, 06:21
bhatiagp wrote:
This group will also be a fairly significant in number, as GMAC wouldnt have made so much noise otherwise.

I disagree, I don't think they will end up taking action against too many people. They have made so much noise so as to discourage the common practice (in some areas) of sharing questions.

GMAC has to know it cannot stop people who are truly intent on cheating, as these websites will just go underground, and they have no real way to stop any overseas sites. By making so much noise, it is their best chance to discourage the practice.

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24 Jul 2008, 06:26
Well, I know one of the GSB cheaters, I'll let you guys know if he's still around come the fall.
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24 Jul 2008, 06:44
rhyme wrote:
Well, I know one of the GSB cheaters, I'll let you guys know if he's still around come the fall.

I am sure he will be, I wonder how well known it is about some of these people cheated. I bet some people are very angry with friends of theirs who recommended the site.
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24 Jul 2008, 06:57
rhyme wrote:
Well, I know one of the GSB cheaters, I'll let you guys know if he's still around come the fall.

Did he post questions or just use the JJs? I thought from his blog, he just used JJs.
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24 Jul 2008, 07:03
kidderek wrote:
rhyme wrote:
Well, I know one of the GSB cheaters, I'll let you guys know if he's still around come the fall.

Did he post questions or just use the JJs? I thought from his blog, he just used JJs.

At the bottom of the exhibit he says: "I have posted around 30 MJJs, which I could remember, from my exam today in the 06.06 section".
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24 Jul 2008, 07:53
rhyme wrote:
kidderek wrote:
rhyme wrote:
Well, I know one of the GSB cheaters, I'll let you guys know if he's still around come the fall.

Did he post questions or just use the JJs? I thought from his blog, he just used JJs.

At the bottom of the exhibit he says: "I have posted around 30 MJJs, which I could remember, from my exam today in the 06.06 section".

So I guess we'll know whether GMAC is going to act on their word.
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24 Jul 2008, 10:00
In light of the ScoreTop closure, I thought many of you would find this interesting- someone seems to be taking up where ScoreTop left off. A friend of mine, another GMAT teacher, received an email two days ago. I think the text speaks for itself- it's pasted below. He suspects they found his email address on the web (posted in his ads for GMAT tutoring)- he was certainly never an ST subscriber. He's reported the email to the GMAC legal team.

This was the text of the email- I won't provide the reply-to address.

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To any Gmat examinee, "JJ" means "stimulant". "JJ" is so prevalent now that it is called "jungle juice". "JJ" is from China and India and its original name is "JiJing": The live questions examinee met in the Gmat test.

Actual GMAT test is a big question Bank. 2,000 questions (monthly Bank) are selected from the big Bank each month, and about 80% of them will be replaced in next month. Then if the question NO.768 appeared in the last month GMAT test, it still has probability of 20% to appear this month and 4% next month.

We are professional "JJ" TEAM. All the members in our TEAM have been in "JJ" research for at least two years and each got score 740+ in the live test. Hundreds of Chinese and Indian take the test everyday and many of them get score 700+. Every day, we collect new daily JJ from China and India, tell the difference between the valuable and the useless (too easy, unclear, illogic, wrong etc.), revert the valuable…our target: ONLY PROVIDE ESSENCE.

As we all know,the GMAT monthly live questions are the same all over the world. OK, if 50 persons each provide 20 questions met in the test, to each question (for example NO.768), the probability it is included in the monthly "JJ" is: 1-(1-20/2000)50≈39.5%. In the past one year, our friends who subscribed for "JJ" essence service have greatly boosted their scores!

To show our professional service, we would like to email you daily "JJ" essence for free in the next three days. You can experience the best and the most professional "JJ" service in the world!

Attention: In formal version, you will get about 50-80 new JJ essence questions everyday, in free version, you will get 15 questions.

Thank you very much!

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24 Jul 2008, 10:51
lumone wrote:
I agree with that, even if I'm an Arsenal fan.

Well, thanks! I guess then that we can at least find some more common ground in opposition to your cross-London rivals. My dislike for the Blues seems to grow more everyday...

lumone wrote:
What bugs me even more is the following:
GMACPegJ: GMAC is limiting its investigation to those individuals who
GMACPegJ: a) posted GMAT questions they saw on their GMAT exam, and
GMACPegJ: b) posted a message on Scoretop confirming that they saw items from the Scoretop website on their GMAT exam.

That's basically saying: "As long as you did not talk online about the real questions that you bought/were given/downloaded you will not be investigated".

Ya I really think that sucks that there are probably proportionally a much larger group of individuals that still received unfairly inflated scores by passively watching the ST forums. But I guess in order to protect the arguably innocent, GMAC can only go after those people against whom it has concrete, undeniable evidence.
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24 Jul 2008, 11:30
IanStewart wrote:
In light of the ScoreTop closure, I thought many of you would find this interesting- someone seems to be taking up where ScoreTop left off. A friend of mine, another GMAT teacher, received an email two days ago. I think the text speaks for itself- it's pasted below. He suspects they found his email address on the web (posted in his ads for GMAT tutoring)- he was certainly never an ST subscriber. He's reported the email to the GMAC legal team.

This was the text of the email- I won't provide the reply-to address.

Quote:
To any Gmat examinee, "JJ" means "stimulant". "JJ" is so prevalent now that it is called "jungle juice". "JJ" is from China and India and its original name is "JiJing": The live questions examinee met in the Gmat test.

Actual GMAT test is a big question Bank. 2,000 questions (monthly Bank) are selected from the big Bank each month, and about 80% of them will be replaced in next month. Then if the question NO.768 appeared in the last month GMAT test, it still has probability of 20% to appear this month and 4% next month.

We are professional "JJ" TEAM. All the members in our TEAM have been in "JJ" research for at least two years and each got score 740+ in the live test. Hundreds of Chinese and Indian take the test everyday and many of them get score 700+. Every day, we collect new daily JJ from China and India, tell the difference between the valuable and the useless (too easy, unclear, illogic, wrong etc.), revert the valuable…our target: ONLY PROVIDE ESSENCE.

As we all know,the GMAT monthly live questions are the same all over the world. OK, if 50 persons each provide 20 questions met in the test, to each question (for example NO.768), the probability it is included in the monthly "JJ" is: 1-(1-20/2000)50≈39.5%. In the past one year, our friends who subscribed for "JJ" essence service have greatly boosted their scores!

To show our professional service, we would like to email you daily "JJ" essence for free in the next three days. You can experience the best and the most professional "JJ" service in the world!

Attention: In formal version, you will get about 50-80 new JJ essence questions everyday, in free version, you will get 15 questions.

Thank you very much!

I am sure this is a scam..some persons trying to make quick bucks amidst the new found publicity of JJs. The text of the email seems to be targeted at the US/ western audience and tomtomed JJs in a way which is very similar to advertisings of mysetrious oriental aphrodisiacs and othe gibberishes . I know there are more than 200 languages in India but am sure jijing ( going by the sound here) can't be part of an Indian language vocabulary.
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24 Jul 2008, 12:17
filmcity wrote:
IanStewart wrote:
In light of the ScoreTop closure, I thought many of you would find this interesting- someone seems to be taking up where ScoreTop left off. A friend of mine, another GMAT teacher, received an email two days ago. I think the text speaks for itself- it's pasted below. He suspects they found his email address on the web (posted in his ads for GMAT tutoring)- he was certainly never an ST subscriber. He's reported the email to the GMAC legal team.

This was the text of the email- I won't provide the reply-to address.

Quote:
To any Gmat examinee, "JJ" means "stimulant". "JJ" is so prevalent now that it is called "jungle juice". "JJ" is from China and India and its original name is "JiJing": The live questions examinee met in the Gmat test.

Actual GMAT test is a big question Bank. 2,000 questions (monthly Bank) are selected from the big Bank each month, and about 80% of them will be replaced in next month. Then if the question NO.768 appeared in the last month GMAT test, it still has probability of 20% to appear this month and 4% next month.

We are professional "JJ" TEAM. All the members in our TEAM have been in "JJ" research for at least two years and each got score 740+ in the live test. Hundreds of Chinese and Indian take the test everyday and many of them get score 700+. Every day, we collect new daily JJ from China and India, tell the difference between the valuable and the useless (too easy, unclear, illogic, wrong etc.), revert the valuable…our target: ONLY PROVIDE ESSENCE.

As we all know,the GMAT monthly live questions are the same all over the world. OK, if 50 persons each provide 20 questions met in the test, to each question (for example NO.768), the probability it is included in the monthly "JJ" is: 1-(1-20/2000)50≈39.5%. In the past one year, our friends who subscribed for "JJ" essence service have greatly boosted their scores!

To show our professional service, we would like to email you daily "JJ" essence for free in the next three days. You can experience the best and the most professional "JJ" service in the world!

Attention: In formal version, you will get about 50-80 new JJ essence questions everyday, in free version, you will get 15 questions.

Thank you very much!

I am sure this is a scam..some persons trying to make quick bucks amidst the new found publicity of JJs. The text of the email seems to be targeted at the US/ western audience and tomtomed JJs in a way which is very similar to advertisings of mysetrious oriental aphrodisiacs and othe gibberishes . I know there are more than 200 languages in India but am sure jijing ( going by the sound here) can't be part of an Indian language vocabulary.

JiJing is likely Chinese? At least that was what first popped up in my mind.
Ji (記)- remember
Jing (經)- sacred text/scroll/book/scripture
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24 Jul 2008, 15:29
Haha.. Glad to see I wasn't the only one who was curious about trying that.

I wonder how much longer GMAC's "investigation" is going to take? Considering they have been working on the FBI on this for a couple of years, why aren't they just coming out with their decisions.

rhyme wrote:
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kidderek wrote:
Seriously.

What's next? palm printing in lieu of finger printing?

Glad to hear I wasn't the only one who went, "Huh?!" I fail to see how palm prints will be more useful in identifying repeat cheaters any more so than finger prints.

I also didn't get it. I tried switching fingers on my way back after a break once just to see if it was recording fingerprints or comparing them, and it definitely already compares them. I got a bid fat red X on the screen and the guy says "I said index finger."
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