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As rainfall began to decrease in the Southwest about the middle of the twelfth century, most of the Monument Valley Anasazi abandoned their homes to join other clans whose access to water was less limited.

D) with less limitations on water access
E) having less limitations to water access

These are the candidates.

E) I discarded this option because I found its beginning ("having") more complicated and less straightforward than those of options A and D.
D) I discarded this option because I thought that, in this context, "limitations on" was incorrect and should rather be "limitations to". However, I am not that sure as to whether this is correct.

Could you please give me your insights on the aspects commented above and point out the reasons for discarding these two options other than the fact that "less limitations" should be "fewer limitations"?

I do not see any problem with "having". A present participle modifier such as this one is alright and is used as an adjective (in this case for the noun "clan"). The problem with D and E is the awkward usage "water access". "Water access" may mean "access BY water" ( e.g. land access, water access etc.) and may not mean "access TO water".

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09 Aug 2016, 03:56
@e-gmat: Don't we need to use here "Than" to complete to comparison "less ... than"? In your lectures you state that it's mandatory.

Can someone please explain, why "than" is not required here? MGMAT SC guide also gives the following sentence as incorrect: "With winter coming, I will have HIGHER energy bills", which also has an ellipse (than now), and it's considered as incorrect.

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12 Aug 2016, 04:53
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@e-gmat: Don't we need to use here "Than" to complete to comparison "less ... than"? In your lectures you state that it's mandatory.

Can someone please explain, why "than" is not required here? MGMAT SC guide also gives the following sentence as incorrect: "With winter coming, I will have HIGHER energy bills", which also has an ellipse (than now), and it's considered as incorrect.

Yes, ideally there should be "than" with a comparative adjective. However this OG question clearly deviates from the rule and hence one is advised not to eliminate an answer choice on the basis of this criterion. However if two answer choices are identical except in such usage, then such elimination criterion may be used as the last resort.

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As rainfall began to decrease in the Southwest about the middle of the twelfth century, most of the Monument Valley Anasazi abandoned their homes to join other clans whose access to water was less limited.

C. where they had less limited water access
D. with less limitations on water access
E. having less limitations to water access

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So, what is the problem in C. C provides the same meaning like A to me.
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As rainfall began to decrease in the Southwest about the middle of the twelfth century, most of the Monument Valley Anasazi abandoned their homes to join other clans whose access to water was less limited.

C. where they had less limited water access
D. with less limitations on water access
E. having less limitations to water access

Before attempting this question, let’s interpret the meaning. As rainfall started decreasing and water availability turned less and less, the Anasazi decided to join other clans who were accustomed to more water access or availability. Here the double negative - less limited -means more available in terms of quantity. This is what text and choice A imply.

B also says the same essentially in an unacceptably wordy paraphrase. In addition, look at the relative pronoun, ‘where’ which is absurdly standing for the clans, as if clans are places. We should dump choice C also for the same reason and for not defining precisely whether the pronoun ‘they’ stands for the subject Anasazi or the proximate clans.

By referring to water access as a countable commodity and using the plural limitations, choices D and E foul the usage of the quantum comparative ‘less’, a term normally reserved for non- countable nouns. We may appreciate how smugly choice A uses ‘less limited’ to modify the singular noun ‘access’.

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13 Sep 2016, 01:34
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As rainfall began to decrease in the Southwest about the middle of the twelfth century, most of the Monument Valley Anasazi abandoned their homes to join other clans whose access to water was less limited.

C. where they had less limited water access
D. with less limitations on water access
E. having less limitations to water access

Before attempting this question, let’s interpret the meaning. As rainfall started decreasing and water availability turned less and less, the Anasazi decided to join other clans who were accustomed to more water access or availability. Here the double negative - less limited -means more available in terms of quantity. This is what text and choice A imply.

B also says the same essentially in an unacceptably wordy paraphrase. In addition, look at the relative pronoun, ‘where’ which is absurdly standing for the clans, as if clans are places. We should dump choice C also for the same reason and for not defining precisely whether the pronoun ‘they’ stands for the subject Anasazi or the proximate clans.

By referring to water access as a countable commodity and using the plural limitations, choices D and E foul the usage of the quantum comparative ‘less’, a term normally reserved for non- countable nouns. We may appreciate how smugly choice A uses ‘less limited’ to modify the singular noun ‘access’.

When we get something like 'limitation(S), then we should consider it as plural, and we have to use plural sign. But, in D and E, they used singular sign LESS, which is used in wrong way, isn't it?
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As rainfall began to decrease in the Southwest about the middle of the twelfth century, most of the Monument Valley Anasazi abandoned their homes to join other clans whose access to water was less limited.

C. where they had less limited water access
D. with less limitations on water access
E. having less limitations to water access

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So, what is the problem in C. C provides the same meaning like A to me.
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"Clans" is not a place - "where" is a wrong relative pronoun to refer to "clans".

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14 Sep 2016, 10:43
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tejal777 wrote:
As rainfall began to decrease in the Southwest about the middle of the twelfth century, most of the Monument Valley Anasazi abandoned their homes to join other clans whose access to water was less limited.

C. where they had less limited water access
D. with less limitations on water access
E. having less limitations to water access

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So, what is the problem in C. C provides the same meaning like A to me.
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"Clans" is not a place - "where" is a wrong relative pronoun to refer to "clans".

Yes, I got my answer sayantanc2k.
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14 Sep 2016, 11:28
Yes.. I agRee with you.
should be A ...

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As rainfall began to decrease in the Southwest about the middle of the twelfth century, most of the Monument Valley Anasazi abandoned their homes to join other clans whose access to water was less limited.

C. where they had less limited water access
D. with less limitations on water access
E. having less limitations to water access

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As rainfall began to decrease in the Southwest about the middle of the twelfth century, most of the Monument Valley Anasazi abandoned their homes to join other clans whose access to water was less limited.

C. where they had less limited water access
D. with less limitations on water access
E. having less limitations to water access

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As rainfall began to decrease in the Southwest about the middle of the twelfth century, most of the Monument Valley Anasazi abandoned their homes to join other clans whose access to water was less limited.

B. where there was access to water that was less limited ------->; here "where is not referring to an actual place
C. where they had less limited water access ------>; here "where is not referring to an actual place
D. with less limitations on water access -------->distorted the intended meaning;here seems "water access" may be imposed by another authority ,other than blessed by natural good effect(intended meaning)
E. having less limitations to water access -------->distorted the intended meaning;here seems "water access" may be imposed by another authority ,other than blessed by natural good effect(intended meaning)
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16 Sep 2016, 14:28
I agree with those who said A. Here's why:

As rainfall began to decrease in the Southwest about the middle of the twelfth century, most of the Monument Valley Anasazi abandoned their homes to join other clans whose access to water was less limited.

A. whose access to water was less limited --> better pick between A & D as whose is used
B. where there was access to water that was less limited ---> where is not the appropriate word to use as it refers to a place, not clans (in this case)
C. where they had less limited water access --> same reason as B applies
D. with less limitations on water access --> refer to explanation from A
E. having less limitations to water access --> awkward

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I do not see any problem with "having". A present participle modifier such as this one is alright and is used as an adjective (in this case for the noun "clan"). The problem with D and E is the awkward usage "water access". "Water access" may mean "access BY water" ( e.g. land access, water access etc.) and may not mean "access TO water".

Hi sayantanc2k
I like your explanation for having
I broke this idea after your explanation.
but i am a little confused, please confirm
as long as "having" works as a participle and as an adjective, it is correct,
except this condition, "having" is incorrect, right?
did i miss something ?

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sayantanc2k wrote:
I do not see any problem with "having". A present participle modifier such as this one is alright and is used as an adjective (in this case for the noun "clan"). The problem with D and E is the awkward usage "water access". "Water access" may mean "access BY water" ( e.g. land access, water access etc.) and may not mean "access TO water".

Hi sayantanc2k
I like your explanation for having
I broke this idea after your explanation.
but i am a little confused, please confirm
as long as "having" works as a participle and as an adjective, it is correct,
except this condition, "having" is incorrect, right?
did i miss something ?

thanks a lot
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Like all other verbs, "having" may also be used in the following forms:

Verb (progressive tense):
I am going to school.
I am having a pizza.

Gerund (noun):
Going to school is no fun.
Having a pizza is great fun.

All the above sentences are correct.

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sayantanc2k wrote:
Like all other verbs, "having" may also be used in the following forms:

Verb (progressive tense):
I am going to school.
I am having a pizza.

Gerund (noun):
Going to school is no fun.
Having a pizza is great fun.

All the above sentences are correct.

thanks sayantanc2k,
I know where my problem, i mistook having (progressive tense of verb have) for having (helping verb).

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30 Oct 2016, 13:16
SPLIT1) MODIFIERS. "WHOSE" REFERS TO CLANS, AND THIS IS WHAT WE NEED. B,C,D,AND E ARE OUT.

SPLIT2) "LIMITATIONS" IS COUNTABLE YOU NEED TO USE THE WORD "FEWER" NOT "LESS". HOW DO I KNOW THAT LIMITATIONS IS COUNTABLE. FOR ONE THING, YOU HAVE THE "S" IN LIMITATIONS = COUNTABLE. B, D, AND E ARE OUT.

SPLIT3) WHO IS "THEY" REFERRING TO IN OPTION C? IS IT "THE ANAZASI" OR "THE OTHER CLANS". THE POSITION OF THEY IS UNCLEAR. C IS OUT.

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The OA is correct and explanations provided in the thread appear sufficient. If there are any specific questions, please post them here and then click again on the "Request Expert Reply" button – closing this request.

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As rainfall began to decrease in the Southwest about the middle of the twelfth century, most of the Monument Valley Anasazi abandoned their homes to join other clans whose access to water was less limited.

C. where they had less limited water access
D. with less limitations on water access
E. having less limitations to water access

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A Correct.
B "Where" cannot be paired with "clans" because the latter is not a location.
C "Where" cannot be paired with "clans" because the latter is not a location.
D "Less" cannot be paired with "limitations" because the latter is a countable noun. The present participle "having" cannot modify the noun
E "Less" cannot be paired with "limitations" because the latter is a countable noun.

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07 Sep 2017, 22:11
E is wrong b/c "limitation on", not "limitation to"
C uses "they"
B is awkward.
D is illogical b/c of "with"

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A is the best
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As rainfall began to decrease in the Southwest about the middle of the twelfth century, most of the Monument Valley Anasazi abandoned their homes to join other clans whose access to water was less limited.

- "where" can only be used if there is a physical place that is being referenced -- not the case here

C. where they had less limited water access
- same issue as "B"

D. with less limitations on water access
- "limitations on" is unidiomatic as well as passive

E. having less limitations to water access
- "having less" incorrectly modifies the entire phrase before. Also passive construction.

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