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As the cost of wireless service has steadily dropped over the last year and as mobile phones have become increasingly common, many people are finding that they can avoid toll charges on their home phones, using their mobile phones for making long-distance calls at night or on weekends, at a time which many wireless companies provide unlimited airtime for a small monthly fee

a) phones, using their mobile phones for making long-distance calls at night or on weekends, at a time which
b) phones, instead using mobile phones to make long-distance calls during the night of weekends, during which
c) phones by using their mobile phones to make long-distance calls at night or on weekends, when
d) phones using mobile phones for making long-distance calls during the night or weekends, when
e) phones when using their mobile phones to make long-distance calls at night or on weekends, a time which.
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As the cost of wireless service has steadily dropped over the last year and as mobile phones have become increasingly common, many people are finding that they can avoid toll charges on their home phones, using their mobile phones for making long-distance calls at night or on weekends, at a time which many wireless companies provide unlimited airtime for a small monthly fee

a) phones, using their mobile phones for making long-distance calls at night or on weekends, at a time which
b) phones, instead using mobile phones to make long-distance calls during the night of weekends, during which
c) phones by using their mobile phones to make long-distance calls at night or on weekends, when
d) phones using mobile phones for making long-distance calls during the night or weekends, when
e) phones when using their mobile phones to make long-distance calls at night or on weekends, a time which.


If you read original sentence..there is wrong usage of WHICH...we need WHEN to describe TIME.Hence options A/B/E =>WRONG

c) phones by using their mobile phones to make long-distance calls at night or on weekends, when
CORRECT


d) phones using mobile phones for making long-distance calls during the night or weekends, when
WRONG
PHONES USING MOBILE PHONES =>THIS IS WRONG
FOR MAKING is unidiomatic HERE.

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New post 01 Sep 2013, 06:31
The answer will be Option "C".

It clearly rectifies the errors in the original sentence.

1) "at a time which" makes it wordy and weird. This eliminates Options A, B and E as we require a "When" here, not a "Which".

2) People can avoid toll charges "by using their mobile phones".

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As the cost of wireless service has steadily dropped over the last year and as mobile phones have become increasingly common, many people are finding that they can avoid toll charges on their home phones, using their mobile phones for making long-distance calls at night or on weekends, at a time which many wireless companies provide unlimited airtime for a small monthly fee

a) phones, using their mobile phones for making long-distance calls at night or on weekends, at a time which
b) phones, instead using mobile phones to make long-distance calls during the night of weekends, during which
c) phones by using their mobile phones to make long-distance calls at night or on weekends, when
d) phones using mobile phones for making long-distance calls during the night or weekends, when
e) phones when using their mobile phones to make long-distance calls at night or on weekends, a time which.



My reasoning is as follows, please chime in if you have any questions/comments:

present participles, after commas, modify the WHOLE preceding clause.. Thus, "using" in A/B/D modify the whole preceding clause, which distorts the intended meaning. You don't want to modify the preceding clause, you want to explain HOW people avoid toll charges.. Therefore, A/B/D are gone.

E distorts meaning by giving us a conditional "when", as if to imply that the only times they find how to avoid toll charges is WHEN using mobile phones...

C, on the other hand, clearly tells us WHAT ACTION leads to people finding how to avoid charges.. "they avoid X... by doing Y.." makes sense..

So this question is partly a modifier question, and partly a logical predication question..

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I have a doubt about the usage of "when". I read somewhere it is used to denote a specific time and not general time. Can you please clarify?

I have this doubt regarding the option C and D.
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I have a doubt about the usage of "when". I read somewhere it is used to denote a specific time and not general time. Can you please clarify?

If you could recollect where you read this, it will help, because any information from non-experts might not be correct all the time, leading to bit of a confusion also.

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a) phones, using their mobile phones for making long-distance calls at night or on weekends, at a time which Wrong - "which" cannot be a relative pronoun for time. Time must be "in which", "that", or "when".

b) phones, instead using mobile phones to make long-distance calls during the night of weekends, during which Wrong - "instead using" is an idiom not used correctly; "during which" is redundant and imprecise.

c) phones by using their mobile phones to make long-distance calls at night or on weekends, when Correct

d) phones using mobile phones for making long-distance calls during the night or weekends, when Wrong - "using" cannot modify phones

e) phones when using their mobile phones to make long-distance calls at night or on weekends, a time which. Wrong - "when" cannot describe phones; "which" cannot modify a time.

IMO C

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A) Comma using is fine, however at times which is awful and must be replaced by when.
D) did it have COMMA before using, it would be the best!

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My reasoning is as follows, please chime in if you have any questions/comments:

present participles, after commas, modify the WHOLE preceding clause.. Thus, "using" in A/B/D modify the whole preceding clause, which distorts the intended meaning. You don't want to modify the preceding clause, you want to explain HOW people avoid toll charges.. Therefore, A/B/D are gone.

E distorts meaning by giving us a conditional "when", as if to imply that the only times they find how to avoid toll charges is WHEN using mobile phones...

C, on the other hand, clearly tells us WHAT ACTION leads to people finding how to avoid charges.. "they avoid X... by doing Y.." makes sense..

So this question is partly a modifier question, and partly a logical predication question..


Hi There,

I don't agree with your reasoning that

,ING is not the intended meaning here.

"Many people are finding that that they can avoid toll charges on their home phones, using BLAH BLAH BLAH"

Now How we use -ING modifier in GMAT world:

Either

(1). It should present a result of preceding clause.

OR

(2). It should be an additional information about the previous clause.

In the above sentence what you can get by the adverbial modifier starting from "-ING" is that

How people are avoiding toll charges. And the subject of the preceding clause also makes sense with the "-ING" modifier.

People, using BLAH BLAH BLAH, are avoiding toll charges.

Perfectly makes sense.
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My query just for the sake of discussion on answer option (A). is :

phones,using their mobile phones for making long-distance calls at night or on weekends, at a time which

We can use "WHEN" and "Preposition WHICH" for stating time.

I know "WHEN" is much appropriate here AS PER OE from OG

"Which is the wrong relative pronoun for referring to time; substituting when for the entire phrase streamlines the sentence
and makes its meaning clear."

So is the above reasoning valid or it is the FACT that 'at the time which' is wordier than 'WHEN'.

Ex1: People use heaters in winters, at the time which people shiver in cold temperatures.
Ex2: People use heaters in winters, WHEN people shiver in cold temperatures.

So, the usage of EX1 is incorrect as per grammar/OG or it is wordier than EX2.
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A,B,D - use of which (Wrong)
C- right
D- Awkward, redundant
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In Option C, if we change this highlighted portion
phones by using their mobile phones to make long-distance calls at night or on weekends, when

and convert this option into the following sentence(this change taken from option D)
phones by using their mobile phones to make long-distance calls during the night or weekends, when

Will both the versions be correct?

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USADream wrote:
As the cost of wireless service has steadily dropped over the last year and as mobile phones have become increasingly common, many people are finding that they can avoid toll charges on their home phones, using their mobile phones for making long-distance calls at night or on weekends, at a time which many wireless companies provide unlimited airtime for a small monthly fee

a) phones, using their mobile phones for making long-distance calls at night or on weekends, at a time which
b) phones, instead using mobile phones to make long-distance calls during the night of weekends, during which
c) phones by using their mobile phones to make long-distance calls at night or on weekends, when
d) phones using mobile phones for making long-distance calls during the night or weekends, when
e) phones when using their mobile phones to make long-distance calls at night or on weekends, a time which.



c) phones by using their mobile phones to make long-distance calls at night or on weekends, when

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USADream wrote:
As the cost of wireless service has steadily dropped over the last year and as mobile phones have become increasingly common, many people are finding that they can avoid toll charges on their home phones, using their mobile phones for making long-distance calls at night or on weekends, at a time which many wireless companies provide unlimited airtime for a small monthly fee

a) phones, using their mobile phones for making long-distance calls at night or on weekends, at a time which
b) phones, instead using mobile phones to make long-distance calls during the night of weekends, during which
c) phones by using their mobile phones to make long-distance calls at night or on weekends, when
d) phones using mobile phones for making long-distance calls during the night or weekends, when
e) phones when using their mobile phones to make long-distance calls at night or on weekends, a time which.


one serious problem here.
look at choice e and a, " at a time which" and " a time which" are incorrect. these phrases mean:

company provide something a time
we need "during" or " at " before which so that the sentence become
company provide ... at a time

we can use time noun without preposition as in
i provide something today
but normally, we need a preposition.

so, a and e are gone.

in choice c, the correct one, "when..." clause correctly modify a noun. we normally see when clause work as an adverb but here it works as and adjective.
the time when you come is good to me
this is an example about when clause as an adjective

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In Option C, if we change this highlighted portion
phones by using their mobile phones to make long-distance calls at night or on weekends, when

and convert this option into the following sentence(this change taken from option D)
phones by using their mobile phones to make long-distance calls during the night or weekends, when

Will both the versions be correct?



Hello gaitbhu,

I will be glad to help you with this one. :-)

IMHO, the modified version of the sentence would also present the same meaning.

However, I wonder what could be the significance of this modification.


Hope this helps. :-)
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