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Your question was ''Is the use of subjunctive fine in option B''?

Though B is not the correct answer option, it uses subjunctive correctly. We know the structure:

.........a subjunctive verb + that + subject + base form of verb + .....................
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Why the usage of for participating is incorrect?

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Hello krndatta,

We hope this finds you well.

To answer your query, in this case "for participating" has been used to refer to the intent of the action "denied permission". This usage is not incorrect, but for referring to the purpose/intent of an action, the infinitive verb form ("to + base form of verb") is preferred over the present participle ("verb+ing" - "participating" in this sentence).

To understand the concept of "Infinitive vs Present Participles" on GMAT, you may want to watch the following video (~2 minutes):



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Because it regarded the environmentalists as members of an out-of-stat Updated on: 28 Apr 2022, 05:11
Originally posted by i40i on 13 Apr 2022, 09:42.
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Because it regarded the environmentalists as members of an out-of-state organization, the city council voted that they are denied permission for participating in the parade.


(A) that they are denied permission for participating

(B) that they be denied permission for participating

(C) denying them permission for participation

(D) the denial of permission that they participate

(E) to deny them permission to participate

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Couldn't we just eliminate A, B, C, D because of usage? I thought that the idiom is "permission to do sth"
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Is the tense in option A is correct that they are denied
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Is the tense in option A is correct that they are denied
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Hello saby1410,

We hope this finds you well.

To answer your query, the use of the simple resent tense in Option A is incorrect; logically the simple past tense should apply.

We hope this helps.
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'vote to do" and "permission to do" are idioms. so, this is more about idiom than about meaning analysis. we do need to know normal idiom to make our english working
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rahul2013 is right.

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Hi, I have solved the question as follows:

Please correct me if I am wrong.

A. the word 'they' can refer to both council members or environmentalists.
B. Same as A
C. the word 'them' can refer to both council member or environmentalists.
D. wordy
E. Correct as 'them' is used for environmentalists.
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But D not only is wordy but also has the same problem.
“that they participate” has the same problem.

I just wonder why some "experts" said this question was not the subjunctive question.
It definitely is.
from cambridge dictionary
[ + (that) ] I vote (that) we (= I think we should) go to the cinema first and eat afterwards.
I might be wrong, but cambridge dictionary can't be.

PEOPLE WON'T PAY 250 FOR IDIOM TEST.
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GMATNinja what are your thoughts? I am not totally convinced that this is an idiom-based question.
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GMATNinja what are your thoughts? I am not totally convinced that this is an idiom-based question.
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Hello Resily,

We hope this finds you well.

To answer your query, we feel that this question is best characterized as a meaning question; you can find our detailed explanation regarding the same,here.

We hope this helps.
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ExpertsGlobal5 Isnt Subjunctive Mood used when we are taling about possibilities or hypotheticals? However in this questions we are not talking about either. So how is this subjunctive if we are going by the definition
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GMATNinja EducationAisle generis is the use of voted as a subjunctive form considered correct? Like " city council voted that they be denied permission for participating in the parade"? I have never seen it in the list f subjunctives
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ExpertsGlobal5 Isnt Subjunctive Mood used when we are taling about possibilities or hypotheticals? However in this questions we are not talking about either. So how is this subjunctive if we are going by the definition
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Along with hypotheticals, a subjunctive is also used in cases of 'wish/suggestion/demand/command.'

There are certain adjectives (advisable, desirable etc.) and nouns (order, decree, requirement etc.) that prompt us to use subjunctives.

It is advisable that ... subjunctive
The high command has sent an order that ... subjunctive
etc.

The original sentence is also similar in nature and hence the use of subjunctive is fine.
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We hope this finds you well.

To answer your query, the subjunctive mood is not just used for hypothetical and imaginative situations; it is also used for commands, suggestions, requests, etc; these scenarios are marked by the use of bossy verbs - in this case, "voted".

To understand the concept of "Subjunctive Mood" on GMAT, you may want to watch the following video (~20 minutes):



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GMATNinja EducationAisle generis is the use of voted as a subjunctive form considered correct? Like " city council voted that they be denied permission for participating in the parade"? I have never seen it in the list f subjunctives
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Hello Elite097,

We hope this finds you well.

To answer your query, "voted" is an example of a bossy verb, verbs that signify that one entity asked that an action be taken.

The use of such verbs triggers the command subjunctive.

To understand the concept of "Subjunctive Mood" on GMAT, you may want to watch the following video (~20 minutes):



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(A) that they are denied permission for participating - permission for participating is incorrect. "Denied permission to participate" makes much sense.

(B) that they be denied permission for participating - same as A

(C) denying them permission for participation - voted followed by denying is incorrect as it misses an infinitive (to) or preposition (for) to connect "voted" and "denying"

(D) the denial of permission that they participate - permission that they participate is incorrect. It should be permission to participate.

(E) to deny them permission to participate - correct choice as voted is followed by infinitive to describe the motive of vote
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Because it regarded the environmentalists as members of an out-of-state organization, the city council voted that they are denied permission for participating in the parade.

It = city council. They = Environmentalists.
You can either vote for a candidate/ party OR you can vote to make a change.

A. that they are denied permission for participating
'are denied' must be 'be denied'.
'for participating' must be ' to participate'


B. that they be denied permission for participating


C. denying them permission for participation
Preposition is missing before 'denying'. It must be 'to deny'

D. the denial of permission that they participate
Preposition is missing before 'the denial'. It must be 'to deny'

E. to deny them permission to participate
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