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Re: Calling All CBS 2011 Applicants!! [#permalink] New post   02 Feb 2011, 18:30
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I applied 1/15 to Columbia and am wondering if I should look lower.
I've noticed that invites have gone out for R2 interviews and I haven't heard anything which contributes to my wondering if I should shoot some R3 apps out.


I think you're a little off on the timeline. There are no rounds in CBS except ED and RD. No RD invites have gone out for people that have applied in your timeline on this forum. Or even anyone who applied this year, from what I can tell.

Generally, someone who went to law school is going to have less work experience than someone of a similar age. And age does matter in this. I imagine that could put you at a disadvantage. I don't know about the actual JD helping or hurting, but I'm sure someone more informed could chime in.
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Re: Calling All CBS 2011 Applicants!! [#permalink] New post   02 Feb 2011, 18:33
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Figure out if you'll make more over time from Columbia than NYU in your field. If not, go to NYU. Mounting debt in loans sucks.
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Re: Calling All CBS 2011 Applicants!! [#permalink] New post   02 Feb 2011, 18:37
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zacdaniels wrote:
I applied 1/15 to Columbia and am wondering if I should look lower. I'm a non-traditional applicant: AB in Political Theory from #20 liberal arts college (GPA: 3.6), law degree from #20 law school (with a low GPA: 2.9). Have only one semester of ugrad quant work: Calc I (A). 730 on the GMAT.
Want to lead a nonprofit (currently working in the nonprofit/gov't world).
Is it likely that my Law School GPA is going to sink me at top schools? Given the low grad school gpa, which is obviously more recent than my college grades, should I forget about schools in the top 10? I've noticed that invites have gone out for R2 interviews and I haven't heard anything which contributes to my wondering if I should shoot some R3 apps out.

Thanks and congrats to the people who've heard positive news.


I'd be more curious to know if just having a JD is detrimental. There were only two in the class of 2011. Now, that could obviously be because of self-selection I have no idea. Others probably know if Columbia is friendly/unfriendly to JD applicants.

https://www4.gsb.columbia.edu/news/item/ ... s+of+2011#


I don't know if you can say that based on the article. I have a PhD, but I don't think it was detrimental to my application just because there aren't that many of them at Columbia. I just don't think the pool of applicants is very large.

As for zac's q - you can't assess how strong a candidate is based on numbers. Even looking at the spreadsheet, there isn't a method to the madness based on numbers. Only you can do an honest self-reflection on how strong your app is and what your other strengths/weaknesses are. If you've put together banging essays, I'm sure they would overlook a slightly low grad gpa. I didn't even report a grad gpa. But its up to you to decide whether you want to apply to lower tier schools as a backup for this year or spend a year beefing up your apps to apply to some R1s for the top 10 if you don't make it in this year.

Man, I have a lot to say :) I've been busy but still checking out the forum. Can't wait to meet some of you folks at Columbia Connect next week!

And for those of you out there that are checking your email obsessively, I remember that well - its a really tough time. Just stay strong, try not to read into the situation and don't doubt yourself!!
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Re: Calling All CBS 2011 Applicants!! [#permalink] New post   02 Feb 2011, 18:38
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Figure out if you'll make more over time from Columbia than NYU in your field. If not, go to NYU. Mounting debt in loans sucks.


A quick look on the internet (don't know how reliable) says they are really similar in terms of starting salaries in marketing. Guess I should switch huh?
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Re: Calling All CBS 2011 Applicants!! [#permalink] New post   02 Feb 2011, 18:41
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So guys, I have a dilemma. I have virtually decided to go to Columbia and I even mailed them the deposit. But today I received my admit letter from NYU and they offered me $25K in scholarships for year 1. Now, factor in the fact that NYU's tuition is already cheaper by $10K over the two years, that's $35K in savings, not a small amount.

So, should i take the money and run over to NYU or should I stick with Columbia (even though I know they don't give much money at all) because of the slightly stronger brand name? Any tips from any of you? (I know you may be biased since you're on the CBS thread, but thought I should ask anyway!) I asked on the NYU thread as well....just curious. Thanks guys!

And I know, I am very lucky. (not trying to brag here)


Congrats to you Josie, thats a good problem to have :) My sister-in-law is finishing at Stern this year. I'm going to CBS because NYU doesn't even have a healthcare program, which is my field. Look at your field, look at where both schools have placed grads, definitely talk to alumni from both. Good luck with your decision!
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Re: Calling All CBS 2011 Applicants!! [#permalink] New post   02 Feb 2011, 18:44
Thanks for the reply, uprightcitizen.
I worked at a law firm during my summers in law school and will have had over 3 years of experience post-JD upon "matriculation". I also went direct from college to law school and will be 27 upon matriculation.

And thanks for the reply MrsVigga,
given that the nonprofit world doesn't respond to financial incentives, my essays were a struggle in terms of quantifying my accomplishments. That being said, my "why MBA" is a rather sober assessment of what I've observed in my own experiences in the nonprofit world and a candid statement that without an MBA I would not be able to carry out my career vision. Obviously that's rather pro-forma and I can't imagine such essays would be "banging".

I respect the MBA admissions process. Law school admissions is based solely on an index (GPA/LSAT) at most schools.
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Re: Calling All CBS 2011 Applicants!! [#permalink] New post   02 Feb 2011, 19:25
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I applied 1/15 to Columbia and am wondering if I should look lower. I'm a non-traditional applicant: AB in Political Theory from #20 liberal arts college (GPA: 3.6), law degree from #20 law school (with a low GPA: 2.9). Have only one semester of ugrad quant work: Calc I (A). 730 on the GMAT.
Want to lead a nonprofit (currently working in the nonprofit/gov't world).
Is it likely that my Law School GPA is going to sink me at top schools? Given the low grad school gpa, which is obviously more recent than my college grades, should I forget about schools in the top 10? I've noticed that invites have gone out for R2 interviews and I haven't heard anything which contributes to my wondering if I should shoot some R3 apps out.

Thanks and congrats to the people who've heard positive news.


I wouldn't worry about your GPA in law school whatsoever. Your GMAT and undergrad GPA testify that you are smart enough, and the fact that you got a law degree testify that you are willing to study.

The first thing adcom will wonder, and your main concern should be, is why do you want a business school degree after law school? If you have a solid, thorough answer to this then you are well positioned. Applying on 1/15 does reduce your chances for admission statistically, but if you are a convincing candidate it will not be a problem.

So don't get hung up on your law school gpa and focus on your real question marks.

I know this is coming from a guy with a 2.6 gpa, but I'm being objective. I think your more significant gpa is 3.6. Or you could take some average and say your overal gpa is 3.3
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Re: Calling All CBS 2011 Applicants!! [#permalink] New post   02 Feb 2011, 19:43
I got dinged today without an interview. Went under review on 1/4. Pretty devastated since this is the first school I heard back from. Applied to 4 other schools round 2 but am doubtful whether i have a shot at those since i couldn't even land an interview at columbia.

Best of luck to everyone.
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Re: Calling All CBS 2011 Applicants!! [#permalink] New post   02 Feb 2011, 20:20
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Applied to 4 other schools round 2 but am doubtful whether i have a shot at those since i couldn't even land an interview at columbia.

Best of luck to everyone.


Go easy on yourself. Columbia is hardly a safety school - and I'm sure you'll be a good candidate at another top notch program.

My understanding is that if you lined up all the CBS applicants, it's not necessarily the absolute top 35% (ish) that get interviews. It's the top 35% for the CBS program - based on the unique profile of the program.

In other words, just because you didn't get an interview at CBS, doesn't mean you're only going to be competitive at schools with a 35%+ acceptance rate.

Also - I really don't think the schools are all looking for the same thing. I'm sure it's possible that an admit at Stanford might not get an interview at HBS, etc.
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Re: Calling All CBS 2011 Applicants!! [#permalink] New post   02 Feb 2011, 20:21
mbagirl7568 wrote:
Figure out if you'll make more over time from Columbia than NYU in your field. If not, go to NYU. Mounting debt in loans sucks.


You make that calculation sound so easy!
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Re: Calling All CBS 2011 Applicants!! [#permalink] New post   02 Feb 2011, 20:21
Does anyone know when the "Admit Weekend" will be in April?

(Totally presumptuous as I have not been admitted but just want to make sure my schedule is clear!)
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Re: Calling All CBS 2011 Applicants!! [#permalink] New post   02 Feb 2011, 22:08
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Arbitrageur wrote:
Applied to 4 other schools round 2 but am doubtful whether i have a shot at those since i couldn't even land an interview at columbia.

Best of luck to everyone.


Go easy on yourself. Columbia is hardly a safety school - and I'm sure you'll be a good candidate at another top notch program.

My understanding is that if you lined up all the CBS applicants, it's not necessarily the absolute top 35% (ish) that get interviews. It's the top 35% for the CBS program - based on the unique profile of the program.

In other words, just because you didn't get an interview at CBS, doesn't mean you're only going to be competitive at schools with a 35%+ acceptance rate.

Also - I really don't think the schools are all looking for the same thing. I'm sure it's possible that an admit at Stanford might not get an interview at HBS, etc.


Responding to your last sentence there... my R1 applications were a testament to the fact that different schools look for different things. I was invited to interview at HBS but not Wharton or Yale (easier programs to receive an invite by every metric).
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Re: Calling All CBS 2011 Applicants!! [#permalink] New post   02 Feb 2011, 22:11
closetsnob wrote:
Does anyone know when the "Admit Weekend" will be in April?

(Totally presumptuous as I have not been admitted but just want to make sure my schedule is clear!)


I want to know the same exact thing. To post it on my calendar, ya know, just in case!
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Re: Calling All CBS 2011 Applicants!! [#permalink] New post   02 Feb 2011, 23:39
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closetsnob wrote:
Does anyone know when the "Admit Weekend" will be in April?

(Totally presumptuous as I have not been admitted but just want to make sure my schedule is clear!)


I want to know the same exact thing. To post it on my calendar, ya know, just in case!


April 8.
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Re: Calling All CBS 2011 Applicants!! [#permalink] New post   03 Feb 2011, 06:28
josiebella wrote:
So guys, I have a dilemma. I have virtually decided to go to Columbia and I even mailed them the deposit. But today I received my admit letter from NYU and they offered me $25K in scholarships for year 1. Now, factor in the fact that NYU's tuition is already cheaper by $10K over the two years, that's $35K in savings, not a small amount.

So, should i take the money and run over to NYU or should I stick with Columbia (even though I know they don't give much money at all) because of the slightly stronger brand name? Any tips from any of you? (I know you may be biased since you're on the CBS thread, but thought I should ask anyway!) I asked on the NYU thread as well....just curious. Thanks guys!

And I know, I am very lucky. (not trying to brag here)


I would ask CBS ask about it... they have already offered you admission and are not going to rescind it. Say that you received a financially compelling offer from NYU (which is clearly a peer school across many dimensions) but that you would still want to attend CBS if that difference could be reduced (eliminated?).
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Re: Calling All CBS 2011 Applicants!! [#permalink] New post   03 Feb 2011, 09:30
Have people started hearing from CBS for round2 ? I applied in round2. My app went to "under review" ten days back. Waiting to hear from them!

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Re: Calling All CBS 2011 Applicants!! [#permalink] New post   03 Feb 2011, 10:51
I don't know, I think within NYC the Columbia brand is held in slightly higher regard than Stern. Outside of NYC, I would say Columbia's holds far more weight.
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Re: Calling All CBS 2011 Applicants!! [#permalink] New post   03 Feb 2011, 11:59
what is the normal time between going under review and a decision on an interview? I just went under review on Tuesday.
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Re: Calling All CBS 2011 Applicants!! [#permalink] New post   03 Feb 2011, 12:07
I heard back on my interview six days after I went under review. Not sure what the norm is...I'm sure it varies. But it can definitely come at any time.

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Re: Calling All CBS 2011 Applicants!! [#permalink] New post   03 Feb 2011, 12:51
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6 days?! Wow! When did you app go under review and what are your stats? They must be pretty amazing.
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