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# Calling all Kellogg Fall 2009 Applicants!

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11 Dec 2008, 12:45
Guess we are seeing a lot more people added to the known applicant pool. I was just wondering that if we assume 2000 applicants to Kellogg R1 and I am sure atleast 50% have access to the internet and atleast 20% read forums. And even if we assume that only 10% know about GMATClub, we should end up with atleast 200 people browsing these forums and assuming a 50% stalker rate, we should have atleast 100 known applicants.

Well this does assume that 80% of R1 applicants are so not worried that they do not browse forums. Quite hard to justify the numbers

Another point which I wanted to know was what do you think would be the chances of a student in the adcomm mis evaluating an application. I see two cases -

1. The student evaluator is an exceptional candidate (been a super achiever all his life - 3.5+GPA, 750+ GMAT, IVy undergrad, big3 IB/Consult/Acounting firm work ex) who thinks an applicant is not good (comparison with self) whereas the candidate1 may actually have exceptional work ex (in unknown startups/ disciplines or fields unknown to the reader - the adcomm on the other hand have the maturity to interpret the right messages conveyed but not the student member) - Case 1

2. The student evaluator is not a super achiever as in Case 1 (for whom its a little easier to get in - women/young achievers/etc ) who may evaluate an OK male applicant (candidate2) as actually good (comparison with self) - Case 2

3. However in reality candidate1 may actually be a better applicant than candidate2.

Is it possible that in such cases, the student may actually end up ruining my 200+ dollars?
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11 Dec 2008, 12:49
IvyStallion wrote:
Another point which I wanted to know was what do you think would be the chances of a student in the adcomm mis evaluating an application. I see two cases -

1. The student evaluator is an exceptional candidate (been a super achiever all his life - 3.5+GPA, 750+ GMAT, IVy undergrad, big3 IB/Consult/Acounting firm work ex) who thinks an applicant is not good (comparison with self) whereas the candidate1 may actually have exceptional work ex (in unknown startups/ disciplines or fields unknown to the reader - the adcomm on the other hand have the maturity to interpret the right messages conveyed but not the student member) - Case 1

2. The student evaluator is not a super achiever as in Case 1 (for whom its a little easier to get in - women/young achievers/etc ) who may evaluate an OK male applicant (candidate2) as actually good (comparison with self) - Case 2

3. However in reality candidate1 may actually be a better applicant than candidate2.

Is it possible that in such cases, the student may actually end up ruining my 200+ dollars?

Schools have been doing this year after year. I am sure they accounted for everything and the evaluation process prohibits individual bias. I am pretty sure more than one person (most likely a consensus) has to approve a candidate before any decision is made.

Therefore, quit your worries....there are so many other things to worry about these days...
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11 Dec 2008, 12:49
I think , at least at some other schools, that they eliminate that bias by having your app read by multiple people.

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11 Dec 2008, 12:51
IvyStallion wrote:
Is it possible that in such cases, the student may actually end up ruining my 200+ dollars?

Don't forget. More than one person is going to read your app, and if there is disagreement, it will be discussed in a group setting. I think this minimizes to almost zero the possibility you outlined. But... I think there is probably some luck involved...

Just hope for the best!

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11 Dec 2008, 12:55
So here we go... first ding of the season... 1Y program, international candidate.

I'm actually quite ok with it . Started smiling once I saw dreaded "unknown" status. Maybe indeed they do a good job there - Kellogg wasn't really my top choice, nevertheless I applied to spread the risk. I guess they "smelled" it .

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11 Dec 2008, 12:57
I understand the points listed below, but out of respect for the women on this forum, lets please not assume that a woman reader is not a "super achiever".

IvyStallion wrote:
Guess we are seeing a lot more people added to the known applicant pool. I was just wondering that if we assume 2000 applicants to Kellogg R1 and I am sure atleast 50% have access to the internet and atleast 20% read forums. And even if we assume that only 10% know about GMATClub, we should end up with atleast 200 people browsing these forums and assuming a 50% stalker rate, we should have atleast 100 known applicants.

Well this does assume that 80% of R1 applicants are so not worried that they do not browse forums. Quite hard to justify the numbers

Another point which I wanted to know was what do you think would be the chances of a student in the adcomm mis evaluating an application. I see two cases -

1. The student evaluator is an exceptional candidate (been a super achiever all his life - 3.5+GPA, 750+ GMAT, IVy undergrad, big3 IB/Consult/Acounting firm work ex) who thinks an applicant is not good (comparison with self) whereas the candidate1 may actually have exceptional work ex (in unknown startups/ disciplines or fields unknown to the reader - the adcomm on the other hand have the maturity to interpret the right messages conveyed but not the student member) - Case 1

2. The student evaluator is not a super achiever as in Case 1 (for whom its a little easier to get in - women/young achievers/etc ) who may evaluate an OK male applicant (candidate2) as actually good (comparison with self) - Case 2

3. However in reality candidate1 may actually be a better applicant than candidate2.

Is it possible that in such cases, the student may actually end up ruining my 200+ dollars?

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11 Dec 2008, 12:59
I'm sorry to hear that garbus Would you mind sharing when you interviewed?
garbus222 wrote:
So here we go... first ding of the season... 1Y program, international candidate.

I'm actually quite ok with it . Started smiling once I saw dreaded "unknown" status. Maybe indeed they do a good job there - Kellogg wasn't really my top choice, nevertheless I applied to spread the risk. I guess they "smelled" it .

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11 Dec 2008, 13:01
Thanks, but no worries. I'll get concerned once I'll have no admits and will be awaiting my last school. For the time being, it's just 1 out of few

Interviewed 1st week of November.

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I'm sorry to hear that garbus Would you mind sharing when you interviewed?
garbus222 wrote:
So here we go... first ding of the season... 1Y program, international candidate.

I'm actually quite ok with it . Started smiling once I saw dreaded "unknown" status. Maybe indeed they do a good job there - Kellogg wasn't really my top choice, nevertheless I applied to spread the risk. I guess they "smelled" it .

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11 Dec 2008, 13:04
garbus222 wrote:
So here we go... first ding of the season... 1Y program, international candidate.

I'm actually quite ok with it . Started smiling once I saw dreaded "unknown" status. Maybe indeed they do a good job there - Kellogg wasn't really my top choice, nevertheless I applied to spread the risk. I guess they "smelled" it .

Sorry to hear it garbus, and good luck with your other schools.
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11 Dec 2008, 13:05
Thanks for the info. I am not seeing anyone posting results who has interviewed later in November. I know there is supposedly no correlation but I am still pondering that thought that they do go in some sort of 'interview order' type of process, with room for exceptions..

garbus222 wrote:
Thanks, but no worries. I'll get concerned once I'll have no admits and will be awaiting my last school. For the time being, it's just 1 out of few

Interviewed 1st week of November.

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I'm sorry to hear that garbus Would you mind sharing when you interviewed?
garbus222 wrote:
So here we go... first ding of the season... 1Y program, international candidate.

I'm actually quite ok with it . Started smiling once I saw dreaded "unknown" status. Maybe indeed they do a good job there - Kellogg wasn't really my top choice, nevertheless I applied to spread the risk. I guess they "smelled" it .

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11 Dec 2008, 13:08
CaptainMolecule wrote:
Can someone add my name to the list of the applicants in the first round? I'd like to be a part of the Kellogg statistics I guess it's not fair that I follow this forum the way I have for the past 2 days (I'm glued to it) and not participate.

While I thought I had an excellent profile, I've been burned by W and Columbia already this year, so this outcome assumes certain significance for me in terms of validating my story. All the best to everyone.

Agree, I recently found this forum and would like to be added to the R1 group as well.

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11 Dec 2008, 13:10
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zmfatla wrote:
Control what you can control...the time to have stressed about this was over the summer when you still had input in the decision.

It's a great philosophy, and reminds me of what people told me when I was stressing out about decisions. I think that the personality of many applicants to top programs though is to prefer to be in a position of being able to influence outcomes, rather than just waiting for others to make a decision. Completely agree we all had our opportunity to influence the outcome through preparing good apps and interviews, but now that there's nothing to do but wait it's not a comfortable position to be in.

Let me refine my point a bit...I agree that it's easier said then done. Maybe I should direct this more at the Kellogg process which, by its rolling nature and minute transparency (unknown status) seems to raise the level of angst for a lot of people in deteminging their fate. The fact that Kellogg doesn't release all at once stretches the time for anxiety out for a lot people.

My point was more about solidairty - don't let the peaks and valleys stress you out too much. No reading into the tea leaves of the process is going to change an admit, WL or deny. I'm with you, however - the process can be a lot to take. Deep breaths.

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11 Dec 2008, 13:32
Anyone else get that 'server failure'? I think its cause i kept logging in.

I got back to my regular status message.

I bet admit calls this afternoon and tomorrow.

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11 Dec 2008, 13:34
irishspring wrote:
Anyone else get that 'server failure'? I think its cause i kept logging in.

I got back to my regular status message.

I bet admit calls this afternoon and tomorrow.

Anyone know if they are still calling admits or is it through email now?

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11 Dec 2008, 13:37
No word yet. Like jlola, I'm wondering if the interview date can make a difference. I know mine was pretty late so I'm not expecting to hear anything until closer to the holidays...

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11 Dec 2008, 13:39
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irishspring wrote:
Anyone else get that 'server failure'? I think its cause i kept logging in.

I got back to my regular status message.

I bet admit calls this afternoon and tomorrow.

Anyone know if they are still calling admits or is it through email now?

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11 Dec 2008, 13:39
accept for internationals where timezone differences make things difficult
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11 Dec 2008, 13:40
jlola21 wrote:
Thanks for the info. I am not seeing anyone posting results who has interviewed later in November. I know there is supposedly no correlation but I am still pondering that thought that they do go in some sort of 'interview order' type of process, with room for exceptions..

Well, I actually interviewed in late September, which by any measure would be quite early. Haven't heard anything yet, although one of recommenders submitting his recommendations about 2 hrs late might have negated any advantage I might have had for an early decision.

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11 Dec 2008, 13:43
I interviewed in late November (day before Thanksgiving), so I don't know when to expect my decision...

Ack!

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