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New post 12 Dec 2008, 21:52
do you guys find out final decisions this week?

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New post 13 Dec 2008, 08:46
are we? officially not, they say the 22nd, but people are hoping for the decisions to get out on friday..i am one of those people:)
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New post 14 Dec 2008, 11:03
My link also disappeared. I interviewed about 3 weeks ago, and I can say with some certainty that it was there as late as 1 week ago. I would imagine that they are already programming the system with Dings/Admits/WL's already and as they input this data, the link is disappearing. At what point in time your link disappears probably has very little to do with the strength of your app.

I remember how a year or so ago, some HBS prospectives figured out a way to see their decision a day or so earlier on the applyyourself website, meaning that the decisions were probably inputted into the system atleast a few days prior to the big day.
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New post 15 Dec 2008, 08:03
Something freaky just happened:

I logged into the Wharton account to check what I wrote for one of my essays and the status was changed to "Defer granted" I logged out and logged back in around 20 minutes later and now it is back to "Invited to Interview"

Has anyone had a similar experience
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New post 15 Dec 2008, 09:11
Freaky indeed.

I havent noticed any changes myself.
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Did you ask your admission to be deferred?

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Something freaky just happened:

I logged into the Wharton account to check what I wrote for one of my essays and the status was changed to "Defer granted" I logged out and logged back in around 20 minutes later and now it is back to "Invited to Interview"

Has anyone had a similar experience
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I haven't noticed any updates on my status either.
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I have not noticed anything either but that would freak me out. May be it happened and I did not check at that time...
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For those of you applying, here's a quick "insider" view of the cohort and learning team system at Wharton.

Cohorts are simply groups of students, basically put. We are 800 students, and are divided in 12 cohorts of roughly 60 - 70 students. You take all your core classes with your cohort. The cohorts are created by the school's administration: they claim to put a lot of thought in diversity in terms of previous jobs, geography and gender. From what i gather they have actually done a pretty decent job (except that there is a cohort with an abnormal number of hotties, and of course I'm not in it :-D ).

Inside that cohort, you will be divided into learning teams of 5 or 6 students: all the teamwork will be done with that learning team. Again, there are rules when they create these learning teams: there will always be at least a girl in each group and at least an international student (my group is composed of 4 guys and 2 girls, one of the girls and I are international, although the girl actually lived in the US for quite a while).

Now there are pros and cons to this system: the pros are that you get to meet people quite quickly and easily. You'll know the people from your cohort very well, but you'll probably not know other people from other cohorts very well (more on this further though). This creates a sense of community and it's a nice and easy way to get to know people. People do a lot of stuff together and that's nice (like cohort B-Day celebrations, dinners, drinks, excursions, etc). For example my best friend here is in my learning team (again, more on this later). The learning team principle is also a great way of learning to work with people you don't know at all and who come from very different backgrounds and have different working styles and aspirations - this might sound like bullshit but it's true, trust me.

Now the cons: well, the cons are pretty obvious: if you don't like your cohort, you're pretty much f***ed. But to be honest, if out of 65 people you don't like anybody, you're most probably a weirdo. Also, some might argue that they don't the idea of getting to know 60 people very well and not knowing anybody else. That's a valid point, but I disagree with it: if you're not going to get implicated in anything, then yes, it'll be a problem. But if you get involved in stuff that you like (sports, professional clubs, the opportunities are litterally endless) then you'll meet by efinition other people from other cohorts with the same interest as you. In my case my best friends here are part of the rugby team and the soccer team. The guy on my learning team plays both like me.

Now more on the learning team: as mentioned previously, the learning team principle is also a great way of learning to work with people you don't know at all and who come from very different backgrounds and have different working styles and aspirations. And believe me, people will be VERY different: some will not really care about academics and just want to get involved in EC stuff (sports, pro clubs, partying, whatever) - this is me and my mate - and then you'll have people very focused on the academics. Sometimes working in that kind of environment is challenging, but you do learn a lot in terms of compromises, etc. It's actually harder IMO than the professional environment, because (in theory) everybody wants to do well in their pro lives; over here it's not the case (if you compare academics with professinoal success) - I hope you're catching my drift.

Now the cons for the learning team principle are the same than for the cohort: if you don't like the people in your learning team (and that can certainly happen, as opposed to your cohort), you're doomed to spend a shitty year on the academics point of view. Some claim that there's a lesson to that - working with people you don't like - and they have a point. But that doesn't improve you life now does it? This unfortunately DOES happen, I've heard some (not a lot though) horror stories. The good thing is that these learning teams are constantly monitored by 2nd year students that are trained for that (and they globally do a good job). My team is great on that point of view though: we managed to find a good balance despite the (very) different aspirations and we work very efficiently together. Moreover our team got closer over the months once we really got to know each other, which is nice (crazy nights around the blackjack and poker table in AC did help though).

Another con of the learning team is that you might have an alpha male or female trying to dictate everything in the group. Trust me, this WILL happen is some groups(this is Business School after all, there are a lot of alpha types around). It's tough to manage those kind of situations, but it's a learning process I reckon (but it still doesn't make your life any better).

All in all, I'm in very favour of both the cohort system and in favour of the learning team system (although less). I guess it's like in everything: there'll always be bad experiences, but the benefits of this system outweigh the inconveniences of the minority.

Anyway, I hope this helps! If you have any other questions about this stuff or if there's points I haven't covered, shoot away.

PS: sorry for the (very) disorganised post, I can't be arsed to improve it.
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thanks for the write up Audio!
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very helpful post Audio. +1.

People can always find flaws with the co-hort system, when I got my engineering masters I did it via a program where I took all my classes with the same 45 people, 42ish of who were totally cool and a couple who you'd just beg werent assigned to your team when we split into breakout groups. Unlike say undergrad or high school, it wasn't because they were 'slackers' but more because they were either cutthroats(the type you can just tell is out for him/herself and will gladly sabotage anyone else), or my way or the highway types. With the caliber of Wharton students I'm sure the same situation would apply.

Audio or Xerox, does yout typical Wharton class involve some kind of evaluation of your team mates when all is said and done, and if so, how important is it? I know in my past experience they always had us evaluate our team members at the end of a project, the evaluation often factoring into our grade (though unlike wharton our teams would often be rescrambled), which I think had certain effects (some positive, some negative) on group dynamics and so forth.
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Audio or Xerox,

This is kinda related to Bostonsparky's question (in terms teammate evaluation).

What does Wharton's core curriculum offer in terms of leadership development? I know there is a leadership course and opportunities through your learning teams and clubs, but how does it all come together (or does it)? Is there some sort of "leadership development plan" that follows you throughout your two years?

And in terms of the "non-core" leadership development, how do the Leadership Ventures work? Do you just sign up for it? Is it kinda like an elective?

Thanks!

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very helpful post Audio. +1.

People can always find flaws with the co-hort system, when I got my engineering masters I did it via a program where I took all my classes with the same 45 people, 42ish of who were totally cool and a couple who you'd just beg werent assigned to your team when we split into breakout groups. Unlike say undergrad or high school, it wasn't because they were 'slackers' but more because they were either cutthroats(the type you can just tell is out for him/herself and will gladly sabotage anyone else), or my way or the highway types. With the caliber of Wharton students I'm sure the same situation would apply.

Audio or Xerox, does yout typical Wharton class involve some kind of evaluation of your team mates when all is said and done, and if so, how important is it? I know in my past experience they always had us evaluate our team members at the end of a project, the evaluation often factoring into our grade (though unlike wharton our teams would often be rescrambled), which I think had certain effects (some positive, some negative) on group dynamics and so forth.


The second years that are your mentors run a 360° evaluation where everybody voices their opinion. Basically after the 1st quarter everybody evaluates everybody based on formal questions - it's done online then we talk about it. The preparation is pretty painful since you have to answer to very precise questions although you have only met your team mates 3 months before (like "How creative is Audio?"). There is a grade system for each question.

However, the discussion is very interesting. Everybody voices their opinion about all the team members, and that is where people speak up, which is interesting. I received some precious opinions from my team mates during that evaluation. We'll have another evaluation at the end of the year.
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Audio or Xerox,

This is kinda related to Bostonsparky's question (in terms teammate evaluation).

What does Wharton's core curriculum offer in terms of leadership development? I know there is a leadership course and opportunities through your learning teams and clubs, but how does it all come together (or does it)? Is there some sort of "leadership development plan" that follows you throughout your two years?

And in terms of the "non-core" leadership development, how do the Leadership Ventures work? Do you just sign up for it? Is it kinda like an elective?

Thanks!

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Apparently Wharton has the best rated leadership program in the country. I'm the wrong person to ask this because I don't really believe in this "leadership" concept (I think it's an overused term in business school), but what I can tell you is that there is a Leadership department (or something like that) that helps you build a program (I think). Here's the link:

leadership.wharton.upenn.edu

What I can also tell you is that there are numerous opportunities for leadership (PS: on a side note, it's incredible how often this word is used in this country, it's almost funny) and not only through clubs and teams. You can become a leadership fellow: they mentor learning teams and organise the learning team retreat. I would actually have done it if it were not so time-consuming, apparently it's very rewarding (and I believe that). You can also become a trek leader: basically you organize one of the leadership treks that Wharton does: trip to Antartica, Kilimandjaro, etc. I would have participated to that if it weren't SOOOOO EXPENSIVE!!! (end of rant). During these treks you get to go through team challenges, and as trek leader you get to mentor these activities - pretty rewarding too apparently.

So don't worry, you'll have LOADS of opportunities to practice leadership (God I hate that word), which is great actually.
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Eheh Audio, it definitely shows that you are European (I share your same feelings more often the not...)!
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So don't worry, you'll have LOADS of opportunities to practice leadership (God I hate that word), which is great actually.


LOL! Thanks Audio.

I agree, "leadership" has become a bit of a corporate buzzword. People throw the word around a lot without really thinking.

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Audio, you rock!

I agree both the Cohorts and learning teams have their advantages and drawbacks, and while the advantages are enjoyed to a different extent, if you do not like your Cohort, you will be stuck in a miserable world for a year. Same goes for learning teams, but to a lesser extent simply because you do not have to spend as much time with your learning team. Having said that, both my cohort and the learning team are great. On top of that, I have the Lauder Institute - an environment I enjoy a lot.

As to the whole leadership development program, I feel it is a great part of the branding effort. The best part of it is the Leadership Venture initiative. I am not sure any other school out there does these ventures, but they are surely one of the coolest and fun things a first-year MBA at Wharton can do.
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People have started receiving calls!!! (a friend of mine was accepted and someone on BW also posted that he'd received a call)

Good luck everyone!!!!!!!!!!! :-D
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People have started receiving calls!!! (a friend of mine was accepted and someone on BW also posted that he'd received a call)

Good luck everyone!!!!!!!!!!! :-D


Thanks for the update Virflo! Where's your friend located?
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