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This is a tricky question.
A. Clouds are formed from the evaporation of the oceans’ water that is warmed by
the Sun and rises high into the atmosphere, condensing in tiny droplets on minute
particles of dust.PASSIVE INITIALLY BUT ACTIVE IN THE LATER PART-inappropriate
B. Clouds form by the Sun’s warmth evaporating the water in the oceans, which rises
high into the atmosphere, condensing in tiny droplets on minute particles of dust.WHICH IS MODIFYING OCEAN-incorrect
C. Warmed by the Sun, ocean water evaporates, rises high into the atmosphere, and
condenses in tiny droplets on minute particles of dust to form clouds.-Correct
D. The water in the oceans evaporates, warmed by the Sun, rises high into the
atmosphere, and condenses in tiny droplets on minute particles of dust, which
forms clouds."WARMED BY THE SUN"IS MODIFYING "EVAPORATES"-incorrect
E. Ocean water, warmed by the Sun, evaporates and rises high into the atmosphere,
which then condenses in tiny droplets on minute particles of dust to form as
clouds."WHICH" IS MODIFYING ATMOSPHERE-incorrect
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Clouds are formed from the evaporation of the oceans’ water that is warmed by the Sun
and rises high into the atmosphere, condensing in tiny droplets on minute particles of dust.

A. Clouds are formed from the evaporation of the oceans’ water that is warmed by
the Sun and rises high into the atmosphere, condensing in tiny droplets on minute
particles of dust.
B. Clouds form by the Sun’s warmth evaporating the water in the oceans, which rises
high into the atmosphere, condensing in tiny droplets on minute particles of dust.
C. Warmed by the Sun, ocean water evaporates, rises high into the atmosphere, and
condenses in tiny droplets on minute particles of dust to form clouds.
D. The water in the oceans evaporates, warmed by the Sun, rises high into the
atmosphere, and condenses in tiny droplets on minute particles of dust, which
forms clouds.
E. Ocean water, warmed by the Sun, evaporates and rises high into the atmosphere,
which then condenses in tiny droplets on minute particles of dust to form as
clouds.

For similar questions with number of events, We need to cross check the events for parallelism as well as chronological sequence. This will help to eliminate couple of answer choices. Among remaining option choices, wrong ones will have errors such as Subject Verb agreement, Misplaced Modifier error.
Now let's see specifically in this question.

A. Warmed by the Sun and condensing in tiny droplets are not parallel. Ocean water is more correct way to use than Ocean's water.
B. Sun's warmth evaporating is awkward. Ocean water is more correct than verbose usage of water in the oceans. which has unclear referent. Events are not parallel at all.
C. evaporates.. rises high.., condenses..is absolutely correct parallel construction. Sequence of events also correct before formation of clouds.
D. warmed by the Sun is misplaced modifier(This is done correctly in 'E'). It should be placed after water. Formation of cloud is the major event. Usage of which looks awkward as it is trying make sense of sentence with last few words modified by which.
E. evaporates, rises , which then condenses are not parallel. form into cloud is more correct than form as clouds in terms of meaning.
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Clouds are formed from the evaporation of the oceans’ water that is warmed by the Sun and rises high into the atmosphere, condensing in tiny droplets on minute particles of dust.

Issue: Construction

Analysis:
1. The sentence talks about the various steps that ocean water goes through to form clouds. The correct options should connect these logically and chronologically for proper meaning.

A. Clouds are formed from the evaporation of the oceans’ water that is warmed by the Sun and rises high into the atmosphere, condensing in tiny droplets on minute particles of dust.

B. Clouds form by the Sun’s warmth evaporating the water in the oceans, which rises high into the atmosphere, condensing in tiny droplets on minute particles of dust.
- "Clouds form by the Sun’s warmth" structure does not strongly establish the causality between "formation of clouds" and "condensation of droplets on minute particles of dust".
- "which" incorrectly modifies "ocean", creating non-sensical sentence


C. Warmed by the Sun, ocean water evaporates, rises high into the atmosphere, and condenses in tiny droplets on minute particles of dust to form clouds.

D. The water in the oceans evaporates, warmed by the Sun, rises high into the atmosphere, and condenses in tiny droplets on minute particles of dust, which forms clouds.
- "which" modifies "dust" creating non-sensical sentence.

E. Ocean water, warmed by the Sun, evaporates and rises high into the atmosphere, which then condenses in tiny droplets on minute particles of dust to form as clouds.
- "which" modifies "atmosphere" creating non-sensical sentence.
- "as" is unnecessary


Answer: C.
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(A) Clouds are formed from the evaporation of the oceans’ water that is warmed by the Sun and rises high into the atmosphere, condensing in tiny droplets on minute particles of dust.

Here I thought that "condensing" could modify the clause "is warmed by the Sun and rises" . Here, the doer also makes sense with the verb. However, later I realised that the "condensing " could modify the clause "Clouds are formed" too. But in that case, meaning would change.

Because of absence of "that" after "and" , there is an ambiguity as to which clause "condensing" modify! :?

I get caught up with such sentences. Could you please help me.
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(B) Clouds form by the Sun’s warmth evaporating the water in the oceans, which rises high into the atmosphere, condensing in tiny droplets on minute particles of dust.
I remember you said that 'which' and 'that' can also jump backwards and violate the touch rule in case a prepositional phrase is involved. In this case, can we see this as, ' which' refers back to water instead of the oceans, as in the oceans is a prepositional phrase?
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(B) Clouds form by the Sun’s warmth evaporating the water in the oceans, which rises high into the atmosphere, condensing in tiny droplets on minute particles of dust.
I remember you said that 'which' and 'that' can also jump backwards and violate the touch rule in case a prepositional phrase is involved. In this case, can we see this as, ' which' refers back to water instead of the oceans, as in the oceans is a prepositional phrase?

Good question! You're right that "which" and "that" don't have to touch what they modify, as long as they're reasonably close. So I certainly wouldn't feel comfortable getting rid of (B) because of the "which." The real issue with (B) is its meaning/clarity.

First, the phrase, "clouds form by the sun's warmth" is at best confusing. Does it mean that the clouds are in the vicinity of the sun's warmth when they form? Worse, the phrase, "sun's warmth evaporating" kind of makes it sound as though the sun's warmth is itself evaporating! That makes no sense. If you reread the sentence a few times, can you figure out what the writer intended? Sure. But compared to (C), which makes the meaning crystal clear, (B) is an inferior option.

The takeaway: "which" can be separated from what it modifies, as long as it's reasonably close, but sentences that are unclear/confusing/illogical are definitely wrong.

I hope that helps!
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When I read option C I read it like this :-

Oceans water evaporates,
oceans water rises high in the atmosphere and
oceans water condenses

And hence to me it didn't make sense for the ocean's water itself to rise high in the atmosphere. Isn't that an argument or I am missing something?

Kindly advise.
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Here is a detailed explanation to this question-

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Clouds are formed from the evaporation of the oceans’ water that is warmed by the Sun and rises high into the atmosphere, condensing in tiny droplets on minute particles of dust.

(A) Clouds are formed from the evaporation of the oceans’ water that is warmed by the Sun and rises high into the atmosphere, condensing in tiny droplets on minute particles of dust.

(B) Clouds form by the Sun’s warmth evaporating the water in the oceans, which rises high into the atmosphere, condensing in tiny droplets on minute particles of dust.

(C) Warmed by the Sun, ocean water evaporates, rises high into the atmosphere, and condenses in tiny droplets on minute particles of dust to form clouds.

(D) The water in the oceans evaporates, warmed by the Sun, rises high into the atmosphere, and condenses in tiny droplets on minute particles of dust, which forms clouds.

(E) Ocean water, warmed by the Sun, evaporates and rises high into the atmosphere, which then condenses in tiny droplets on minute particles of dust to form as clouds.


Choice A: Option A clearly suffers from a marked lack of parallelism; the noun "evaporation" is not parallel to the verb "warmed", and neither of them is parallel to the verb "rises" as “rises” is in the present tense while "warmed" is in the past tense. These words are also not parallel to "condensing", as it is in the present continuous form. Thus, Option A is incorrect.

Choice B: Option B suffers from a modifier error; in this sentence, the word "which" has been placed such that it modifies "ocean". This incorrect modification implies that the ocean, rather than its waters, rises into the atmosphere. This implication alters the meaning of the sentence; thus, Option B is incorrect.

Choice C: Option C maintains proper parallelism throughout the sentence, as seen in the verbs "evaporates", "rises", and "condenses". This answer choice also has no modifier errors and conveys the intended meaning of the sentence, concisely. Thus, Option C is correct.

Choice D: Option D also suffers from a modifier error. In this answer choice, the placement of the phrase "warmed by the sun" causes it to modify "evaporates"; this modification leads to an illogical meaning, as a process cannot be warmed. Thus, Option D is incorrect.

Choice E: Option E also suffers from a modifier error. In this answer choice, the placement of the phrase "which then condenses..." causes it to modify "atmosphere", implying that the atmosphere, rather than the water, is condensing into clouds. Thus, Option E is incorrect.

Hence, C is the best answer choice.

It is also worth noting here that Option A appears to have a subtle error in meaning, as well. In Option A the construction of the phrase "water that is warmed by the Sun and rises high into the atmosphere" seems to imply that the water rises into the atmosphere before it evaporates.

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When I read option C I read it like this :-

Oceans water evaporates,
oceans water rises high in the atmosphere and
oceans water condenses

And hence to me it didn't make sense for the ocean's water itself to rise high in the atmosphere. Isn't that an argument or I am missing something?

Kindly advise.

It wouldn't make sense for LIQUID water to rise high in the atmosphere. But it makes perfect sense for water to rise in atmosphere as a GAS.

Water can exist in various forms: solid (ice), liquid, or gas (vapor). Although the form of the water changes throughout the process, it's still water!
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shameekv1989 wrote:
When I read option C I read it like this :-

Oceans water evaporates,
oceans water rises high in the atmosphere and
oceans water condenses

And hence to me it didn't make sense for the ocean's water itself to rise high in the atmosphere. Isn't that an argument or I am missing something?

Kindly advise.

It wouldn't make sense for LIQUID water to rise high in the atmosphere. But it makes perfect sense for water to rise in atmosphere as a GAS. -> This is what I meant, it doesn't makes sense for liquid water to rise high by itself.

Water can exist in various forms: solid (ice), liquid, or gas (vapor). Although the form of the water changes throughout the process, it's still water!


GMATNinja - Doesn't parallel structures require markers as thus, then when they are used to indicate sequencing? For instance it should be Ocean water evaporates, then rises high in the atmosphere and finally condenses.

In this sentence what is the subject for verbs rises and condenses?
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shameekv1989 wrote:
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shameekv1989 wrote:
When I read option C I read it like this :-

Oceans water evaporates,
oceans water rises high in the atmosphere and
oceans water condenses

And hence to me it didn't make sense for the ocean's water itself to rise high in the atmosphere. Isn't that an argument or I am missing something?

Kindly advise.

It wouldn't make sense for LIQUID water to rise high in the atmosphere. But it makes perfect sense for water to rise in atmosphere as a GAS. -> This is what I meant, it doesn't makes sense for liquid water to rise high by itself.

Water can exist in various forms: solid (ice), liquid, or gas (vapor). Although the form of the water changes throughout the process, it's still water!


GMATNinja - Doesn't parallel structures require markers as thus, then when they are used to indicate sequencing? For instance it should be Ocean water evaporates, then rises high in the atmosphere and finally condenses.

In this sentence what is the subject for verbs rises and condenses?

Apologies for my slowness on this! I might be too late to be useful, but just in case it helps somebody else, here's some extra clarification.

You're absolutely right to read this as:

    ocean water evaporates,
    ocean water rises high into the atmosphere, and
    ocean water condenses

But that is much different than reading it as...

    LIQUID ocean water evaporates,
    LIQUID ocean water rises, and
    LIQUID ocean water condenses

If you start with some liquid ocean water and freeze it, you still have ocean water -- it's just FROZEN ocean water (ice). Similarly, when liquid ocean water evaporates, it doesn't cease to be water -- it's still water, just in a gaseous form (vapor).

The vapor that rises high into the atmosphere is still water. So it's okay for "water" to be the subject of all three verbs in the parallel list.

I hope that explanation was clearer than the last one!
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Clouds are formed from the evaporation of the oceans’ water that is warmed by the Sun and rises high into the atmosphere, condensing in tiny droplets on minute particles of dust.

(A) Clouds are formed from the evaporation of the oceans’ water that is warmed by the Sun and rises high into the atmosphere, condensing in tiny droplets on minute particles of dust.

(B) Clouds form by the Sun’s warmth evaporating the water in the oceans, which rises high into the atmosphere, condensing in tiny droplets on minute particles of dust.

(C) Warmed by the Sun, ocean water evaporates, rises high into the atmosphere, and condenses in tiny droplets on minute particles of dust to form clouds.

(D) The water in the oceans evaporates, warmed by the Sun, rises high into the atmosphere, and condenses in tiny droplets on minute particles of dust, which forms clouds.

(E) Ocean water, warmed by the Sun, evaporates and rises high into the atmosphere, which then condenses in tiny droplets on minute particles of dust to form as clouds.



Hi GMATNinja GMATNinjaTwo VeritasKarishma

Although I got this question correct, I have a doubt regarding option E. Only reason to eliminate option E is that - relative modifier which illogically modifies atmosphere.

But as per my knowledge 'which' can modify a noun away from it (exception to touch rule). Then why it cannot modify Ocean water in this case?

Please correct my conceptual gap. Thanks in advance.

Originally posted by Patilsv28 on 07 Aug 2020, 22:46.
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Hi GMATNinja GMATNinjaTwo VeritasKarishma

Although I got this question correct, I have a doubt regarding option E. Only reason to eliminate option E is that - relative modifier which illogically modifies atmosphere.

But as per my knowledge 'which' can modify a noun away from it (exception to touch rule). Then why it cannot modify Ocean water in this case?

Please correct my conceptual gap. Thanks in advance.


"which" can modify a noun slightly away but it does so when there is a good reason for it to do so, say multiple modifiers or a prepositional phrase.

(E) Ocean water, warmed by the Sun, evaporates and rises high into the atmosphere, which then condenses in tiny droplets on minute particles of dust to form as clouds.

Note here that which is very far away from what it is modifying with two other nouns in between.

Also note the structure of the sentence:
Ocean water .... evaporates and rises ..., which then condenses

Ocean water does A and B, which then does C.

Here, A, B and C are not parallel, hence I am bound to think that they do not refer to the same thing.

It should be:
"Ocean water does A, B and C."
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Clouds are formed from the evaporation of the oceans’ water that is warmed by the Sun and rises high into the atmosphere, condensing in tiny droplets on minute particles of dust.

(A) Clouds are formed from the evaporation of the oceans’ water that is warmed by the Sun and rises high into the atmosphere, condensing in tiny droplets on minute particles of dust. This has a meaning problem. This implies that the same water that is "warmed by the sun" and "rises high into the atmosphere", then evaporates. Eliminate.

(B) Clouds form by the Sun’s warmth evaporating the water in the oceans, which rises high into the atmosphere, condensing in tiny droplets on minute particles of dust. "which" incorrectly modifies "oceans". It is not the oceans that rise into the atmosphere but the water. Eliminate.

(C) Warmed by the Sun, ocean water evaporates, rises high into the atmosphere, and condenses in tiny droplets on minute particles of dust to form clouds. Correct answer. Gets the chronology correct and no new errors are introduced.

(D) The water in the oceans evaporates, warmed by the Sun, rises high into the atmosphere, and condenses in tiny droplets on minute particles of dust, which forms clouds. "which" modifies "dust", implying that the clouds are formed by dust, which is incorrect. Eliminate.

(E) Ocean water, warmed by the Sun, evaporates and rises high into the atmosphere, which then condenses in tiny droplets on minute particles of dust to form as clouds. "which" incorrectly modifies "atmosphere". The atmosphere does not condense in tiny droplets, the water does. Eliminate.

Hope this helps.
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shameekv1989 wrote:
When I read option C I read it like this :-

Oceans water evaporates,
oceans water rises high in the atmosphere and
oceans water condenses

And hence to me it didn't make sense for the ocean's water itself to rise high in the atmosphere. Isn't that an argument or I am missing something?

Kindly advise.

It wouldn't make sense for LIQUID water to rise high in the atmosphere. But it makes perfect sense for water to rise in atmosphere as a GAS.

Water can exist in various forms: solid (ice), liquid, or gas (vapor). Although the form of the water changes throughout the process, it's still water!

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I think, ocean water doesn't rise high into the atmosphere directly; it warmed by the Sun first and then it rises high into the atmosphere.
Am I right?
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Clouds are formed from the evaporation of the oceans’ water that is warmed by the Sun and rises high into the atmosphere, condensing in tiny droplets on minute particles of dust.


(B) Clouds form by the Sun’s warmth evaporating the water in the oceans, which rises high into the atmosphere, condensing in tiny droplets on minute particles of dust. "which" incorrectly modifies "oceans". It is not the oceans that rise into the atmosphere but the water. Eliminate.


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Thanks for the support.
'which' can jump on the prepositional phrase. So, we can say that there is no issue with use of 'which' in choice B, because 'which' can indicate 'water' too. Most importantly, 'rises' is the singular verb, so we can think of the 'subject-verb' (the water rises) agreement perfectly makes sense.
Can you share your logic about how did you think that 'which' modifies 'oceans'?
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shameekv1989 wrote:
When I read option C I read it like this :-

Oceans water evaporates,
oceans water rises high in the atmosphere and
oceans water condenses

And hence to me it didn't make sense for the ocean's water itself to rise high in the atmosphere. Isn't that an argument or I am missing something?

Kindly advise.

It wouldn't make sense for LIQUID water to rise high in the atmosphere. But it makes perfect sense for water to rise in atmosphere as a GAS.

Water can exist in various forms: solid (ice), liquid, or gas (vapor). Although the form of the water changes throughout the process, it's still water!

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I think, ocean water doesn't rise high into the atmosphere directly; it warmed by the Sun first and then it rises high into the atmosphere.
Am I right?

Yes! The liquid ocean water is warmed by the sun, causing it to evaporate (turn into water vapor, which is a gaseous state) and rise high into the atmosphere.
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