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Critics of sales seminars run by outside consultants point out that si [#permalink] Critics of sales seminars run by outside consultants point out that si   18 Jan 2012, 11:13
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Critics of sales seminars run by outside consultants point out that since 1987, revenues of vacuum cleaner companies whose employees attended consultant-led seminars were lower than revenues of vacuum cleaner companies whose employees did not attend such seminars. The critics charge that for vacuum cleaner companies, the sales seminars are ill conceived and a waste of money.

Which of the following, if true, is the most effective challenge to the critics of sales seminars?

(A) Those vacuum cleaner companies whose sales were highest prior to 1987 are the only companies that did not send employees to the seminars.

(B) Vacuum cleaner companies that have sent employees to sales seminars since 1987 experienced a greater drop in sales than they had prior to 1987.

(C) The cost of vacuum cleaner sales seminars run by outside consultants has risen dramatically since 1987.

(D) The poor design of vacuum cleaner sales seminars is not the only reason for their ineffectiveness.

(E) Since 1987, sales of vacuum cleaners have risen twenty percent.
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Re: Critics of sales seminars run by outside consultants point out that si [#permalink] Critics of sales seminars run by outside consultants point out that si   18 Jan 2012, 13:26
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We have two groups: vacuum cleaner salesmen who attend sales seminars and those who don’t. The latter group is said to sell more. The argument concludes that sales seminars are a waste of time.

But what if the two groups vary in a significant way, making comparisons between them invalid (at least as it pertains to efficacy of sales conferences)?

Thus we want to find an answer that shows that two groups of different.


Only (A) does so by pointing out that vacuum cleaner salesmen who did not attend conferences were already selling the most vacuum cleaners. To say that they were still selling the most after the post-conferences doesn’t mean that the conferences were a “waste of money.”

Let’s use some numbers to illustrate:

Pre-1987 sales Post 1987 sales
Not-Attending V. Salesmen 10 million/person 12 million/person

Attending V. Salesmen 1 million/person 2 million/person


This shows us that the seminars can be very helpful, even when those who attended had far less in revenue than those who did not attend.

Therefore (A) is the best answer.
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Re: Critics of sales seminars run by outside consultants point out that si [#permalink] Critics of sales seminars run by outside consultants point out that si   05 Jan 2016, 11:35
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Critics of sales seminars run by outside consultants point out that since 1987, revenues of vacuum cleaner companies whose employees attended consultant-led seminars were lower than revenues of vacuum cleaner companies whose employees did not attend such seminars. The critics charge that for vacuum cleaner companies, the sales seminars are ill conceived and a waste of money.

Which of the following, if true, is the most effective challenge to the critics of sales seminars?

(A) Those vacuum cleaner companies whose sales were highest prior to 1987 are the only companies that did not send employees to the seminars.
(B) Vacuum cleaner companies that have sent employees to sales seminars since 1987 experienced a greater drop in sales than they had prior to 1987.
(C) The cost of vacuum cleaner sales seminars run by outside consultants has risen dramatically since 1987.
(D) The poor design of vacuum cleaner sales seminars is not the only reason for their ineffectiveness.
(E) Since 1987, sales of vacuum cleaners have risen twenty percent.

can someone explain the choices please. appreciate it folks

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I was confused between A and E.

B - Strengthens
C- Irrelevant
D- Initially, the argument looks like it is more towards the sales seminar value but it is not. Also, this statement is not weakening it. It is restating a conclusion - which is not correct in 'weaken' type questions.
E - Again, Sales increase revenue decrease, that means there is something else wrong within the companies and has nothing to do with the seminars. First it really looks like it is weakening. On a second thought, it does not. If it would have said, the revenues have increased - only then it would have been the correct answer.

A- Correct.
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Re: Critics of sales seminars run by outside consultants point out that si [#permalink] Critics of sales seminars run by outside consultants point out that si   03 May 2023, 03:25
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We have two groups: vacuum cleaner salesmen who attend sales seminars and those who don’t. The latter group is said to sell more. The argument concludes that sales seminars are a waste of time.

But what if the two groups vary in a significant way, making comparisons between them invalid (at least as it pertains to efficacy of sales conferences)?

Thus we want to find an answer that shows that two groups of different.


Only (A) does so by pointing out that vacuum cleaner salesmen who did not attend conferences were already selling the most vacuum cleaners. To say that they were still selling the most after the post-conferences doesn’t mean that the conferences were a “waste of money.”

Let’s use some numbers to illustrate:

Pre-1987 sales Post 1987 sales
Not-Attending V. Salesmen 10 million/person 12 million/person

Attending V. Salesmen 1 million/person 2 million/person


This shows us that the seminars can be very helpful, even when those who attended had far less in revenue than those who did not attend.

Therefore (A) is the best answer.

It can only mean that the salesperson who did not attend the seminar pre and post 1987 retained their sales efficiency. But how can it mean that the people who attended the seminar improved their efficiency? The numbers you have quoted state that salesmen who did not attend the seminar sold 2 million /per person after 1987. The passage does not say anything like that. It only says that the revenue of companies which attended the seminar continued to be lower than that of companies that did not attend. The data could very well be 8 million per person for non-attendees post 1987 vis-a-vis 0.5 miilion/pre person for attendee companies. This is also a possibility. We cannot say that the seminar is useful in such a case.
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Re: Critics of sales seminars run by outside consultants point out that si [#permalink] Critics of sales seminars run by outside consultants point out that si   05 Sep 2023, 07:34
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We have two groups: vacuum cleaner salesmen who attend sales seminars and those who don’t. The latter group is said to sell more. The argument concludes that sales seminars are a waste of time.

But what if the two groups vary in a significant way, making comparisons between them invalid (at least as it pertains to efficacy of sales conferences)?

Thus we want to find an answer that shows that two groups of different.


Only (A) does so by pointing out that vacuum cleaner salesmen who did not attend conferences were already selling the most vacuum cleaners. To say that they were still selling the most after the post-conferences doesn’t mean that the conferences were a “waste of money.”

Let’s use some numbers to illustrate:

Pre-1987 sales Post 1987 sales
Not-Attending V. Salesmen 10 million/person 12 million/person

Attending V. Salesmen 1 million/person 2 million/person


This shows us that the seminars can be very helpful, even when those who attended had far less in revenue than those who did not attend.

Therefore (A) is the best answer.

It can only mean that the salesperson who did not attend the seminar pre and post 1987 retained their sales efficiency. But how can it mean that the people who attended the seminar improved their efficiency? The numbers you have quoted state that salesmen who did not attend the seminar sold 2 million /per person after 1987. The passage does not say anything like that. It only says that the revenue of companies which attended the seminar continued to be lower than that of companies that did not attend. The data could very well be 8 million per person for non-attendees post 1987 vis-a-vis 0.5 miilion/pre person for attendee companies. This is also a possibility. We cannot say that the seminar is useful in such a case.

We are being asked which choice most weakens the argument. A is correct because it provides a different reason for why companies that provided seminars had lower revenues than those that did not. Rather than this being the result of their employees' attending seminars, we see that the companies were already earning more revenue before the assessment.

Essentially, the answer points to the conclusion being true before the variable in question, having employees attending seminars, is present. Think of it as A = B, and because A + C = B, you attempt to conclude that C is the cause of B. Good question
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Re: Critics of sales seminars run by outside consultants point out that si [#permalink] Critics of sales seminars run by outside consultants point out that si   05 Sep 2023, 10:36
B - Strengthens
C- Irrelevant
D- Initially, the argument looks like it is more towards the sales seminar value but it is not. Also, this statement is not weakening it. It is restating a conclusion - which is not correct in 'weaken' type questions.
E - Again, Sales increase revenue decrease, that means there is something else wrong within the companies and has nothing to do with the seminars. First it really looks like it is weakening. On a second thought, it does not. If it would have said, the revenues have increased - only then it would have been the correct answer.

Left with A
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Re: Critics of sales seminars run by outside consultants point out that si [#permalink] Critics of sales seminars run by outside consultants point out that si   13 Aug 2024, 02:09
I was confused between A & D. Ultimately went with D

The reason for D was, I pre-thought it's not JUST seminar that is ineffective there is more to it

But after reading the posts below, understood flaw with the pre-thinking.
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Re: Critics of sales seminars run by outside consultants point out that si [#permalink] Critics of sales seminars run by outside consultants point out that si   20 Sep 2024, 08:56
The critics say that sales seminar are ill concieved and waste of money but aren’t they proven correct with A?

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Re: Critics of sales seminars run by outside consultants point out that si [#permalink] Critics of sales seminars run by outside consultants point out that si   20 Sep 2024, 09:51
Though i understood how rest of them are wrong. But, how pre 1987 earnings/sales can act as a weakener against the critics?
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