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Regarding the ambiguity with the usage of 'fact' in the options D and E:

Try to think logically. Did the number of people who buy air tickets online grow or the fact grow??
A fact is a fact. It cannot grow.
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In the incorrect answer choices B and D " that" is referring to machines and this distorts the meaning of sentence?

Tense is a better split in this sentence will vs would Option A is best!
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In the incorrect answer choices B and D " that" is referring to machines and this distorts the meaning of sentence?

Tense is a better split in this sentence will vs would Option A is best!


No, that's not what happens here.

Despite the growing number of people who purchase plane tickets online, airline executives are convinced that, just as one-third of bank customers still prefer human tellers to automatic teller machines, many travelers will still use travel agents.

Consider just A and B for now:

a) growing number of people who purchase plane tickets online, airline executives e convinced that, just as one-third of bsik customers still prefer human tellers to automatic teller machines, many travelers will
b) growing number of people who purchase plane tickets online, airline executives e convinced, Just as one-third of bank customers still prefer human tellers to automatic teller machines, that many travelers would

if you say: the executives are convinced , just as the consumers, that many travelers (...)
you are saying that the executives and the consumers have the same opinion about many travelers

If you say: the executives are convinced that , just as the consumers, many travelers(...)
you are saying that the executives are convinced that what happens with the consumers will happen also to the travelers

The position of that is crucial. In both B and D "that" does not refer back to the machines:
d) fact that the number of people purchasing plane tickets online is growing, airline executives are convinced, Just as one-third of bank customers still prefer human tellers as compared to automatic teller machines, that many travelers would
in both B and D, that is part of the construct "are convinced that"<== the big difference is the placement of ", just as (...)" as explained above.

So: yes B and D distort the meaning, but not because "that" refers to machines.

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Thanks Zarralou makes perfect sense :) I didn't see that part
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Despite the growing number of people who purchase plane tickets online, airline executives are convinced that, just as one-third of bank customers still prefer human tellers to automatic teller machines, many travelers will still use travel agents.

A. growing number of people who purchase plane tickets online, airline executives are convinced that, just as one-third of bank customers still prefer human tellers to automatic teller machines, many travelers will
works just fine
B. growing number of people who purchase plane tickets online, airline executives are convinced, just as one-third of bank customers still prefer human tellers to automatic teller machines, that many travelers would
get rid of the middleman comparison introduced by a comma. Realize that you desperately need a reporting "that" and that in this case "that" after the second comma would act as a modifier of machines. out
C. growing number of people purchasing plane tickets online, airline executives are convinced, just as one-third of bank customers still prefer human tellers as compared to automatic teller machines, many travelers will
lack of that before the subordinate clause
D. fact that the number of people purchasing plane tickets online is growing, airline executives are convinced, just as one-third of bank customers still prefer human tellers as compared to automatic teller machines, that many travelers would
the expression as compared to is a red flag; the expression despite the fact is quite wordy whether you stumble upon a better choice; issue with "that" modifying machines.
E. fact that the number of people who purchase plane tickets online are growing, airline executives are convinced that, just as one-third of bank customers still prefer human tellers compared with automatic teller machines, many travelers would
wordy construction + imho you don't prefer something compared with/to something else, but rather you prefer x to y. We don't really need to compare anything here we are expressing a preference between two things.


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The only serious contenders here are A and B.
In B, "executives are convinced, just as bank executives still prefer" seems to imply that the executives'
conviction is in some sense similar to the executives' preference.
In A, putting the "that" before the comma eliminates this incorrect comparison.
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Despite the growing number of people who purchase plane tickets online, airline executives are convinced that, just as one-third of bank customers still prefer human tellers to automatic teller machines, many travelers will still use travel agents.

A. growing number of people who purchase plane tickets online, airline executives are convinced that, just as one-third of bank customers still prefer human tellers to automatic teller machines, many travelers will
works just fine
B. growing number of people who purchase plane tickets online, airline executives are convinced, just as one-third of bank customers still prefer human tellers to automatic teller machines, that many travelers would
get rid of the middleman comparison introduced by a comma. Realize that you desperately need a reporting "that" and that in this case "that" after the second comma would act as a modifier of machines. out
C. growing number of people purchasing plane tickets online, airline executives are convinced, just as one-third of bank customers still prefer human tellers as compared to automatic teller machines, many travelers will
lack of that before the subordinate clause
D. fact that the number of people purchasing plane tickets online is growing, airline executives are convinced, just as one-third of bank customers still prefer human tellers as compared to automatic teller machines, that many travelers would
the expression as compared to is a red flag; the expression despite the fact is quite wordy whether you stumble upon a better choice; issue with "that" modifying machines.
E. fact that the number of people who purchase plane tickets online are growing, airline executives are convinced that, just as one-third of bank customers still prefer human tellers compared with automatic teller machines, many travelers would
wordy construction + imho you don't prefer something compared with/to something else, but rather you prefer x to y. We don't really need to compare anything here we are expressing a preference between two things.


A.


I ruled out A on the usage of "will". Don't we use will when we are sure of something and use would when something is unpredictable?

Also, is "convinced that" an idiom?

Please clarify.

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Don't we use will when we are sure of something and use would when something is unpredictable?

I believe "would" is just the past tense of "will".

Another usage of "would" is in hypothetical situation...

If I were an astronaut, I would go to the moon.

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The credited response should be A ....

When we talk about future event and not sure if the future event happens definitely - then we use "would "

When we are certain that the event definitely takes place in future - we use "will " ......

Airlines executives are certain that in future travelers continue to use travel agents .

So " will " needed in the answer choice ...

This in a single stroke kills option (b), (d), (e)

between C and A

C states - Just as one-third of bank customers still prefer human tellers as compared to automatic teller machines,

Using prefer and compared in a single sentence - makes one of them redundant .

so A Wins ......

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Taking out the issues with "that" placement, I'm a little confused about "would" vs. "will"

1) "airline execs are convinced that, just as x, travelers will still use"
- Doesn't "are convinced" imply that it's in the past? If many travelers are ALREADY using the travel agents, wouldn't the sentence have to say "would" instead of "will"?

How do we know if the action is supposed to still happen or if it has already happened and this sentence is read from the past perspective?

2) "airline execs are convinced that, just as x, travelers would still use"
-Doesn't this imply that the execs are ALREADY convinced and the travelers are ALREADY using travel agents, therefore the "would" is more appropriate here?

3) Going back to your point above. Aren't the executives "guessing" what the travelers will do? Doesn't that make it a hypothetical and therefore requires a "would"?

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I don't know whether my explanation has some sense or not -

prefer and compare side by side are redundant in this sentence. Either Prefer X to Y or Compare X to Y will be suffice but not both at a time. Using this reason we can ommit C,D, and E. "That" word is not properly used in option B and so we can safely opt for Option A.

Please correct me if i am wrong with my explanation.

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No offense, but it is painful to read such options with missing and misspelled words!


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Despite the growing number of people who purchase plane tickets online, airline executives are convinced that, just as one-third of bank customers still prefer human tellers to automatic teller machines, many travelers will still use travel agents.
a) gowing number of people who purchase plane tickets online, airline executives e convinced that, just as one-third of bsik customers still prefer hummn tellers to itomatic teller machines, many travelers will
b) gowing number of people who purchase plare tickets online, airline executives e convinced, Just as one-hhird of bank customers still prefer human tellers to automatic teller machines, hhat many travelers
would
c) gowing number of people pu-chasing plane tickets online, airline executives are convinced, Just as one-third of bank customers still prefer human tellers as compared to automatic teller machines, many
travelers will
d) fact that the number of people purchasing plane tickets online is growing, airline executives are convinced, Just as one-third of bank customers still prefer human tellers as compared to automatic teller machines,
that many travelers would
e) fact that the number of people who purchase plane tickets online e growing, airline executives e convinced that, just as one-third of bak customers still prefer human tellers compared with utomatic teller
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The first aberration is the use of the phrase the fact, considered crispless in contemporary writing . So D and E are out. The second clue is that we do require the connecting conjunction ‘that’ to be in place after the word ‘convinced’. ‘Convinced that’ brings out the succeeding factor wholly to merge with the text. Only A uses ‘that’. So B and C are out, leaving A as the right choice.

It will be prudent not to get into the nuance of using ‘compared with’ and ‘compared to’, which is not being tested here; please note the right choice uses neither. IMO, neither ‘compared to’ nor ‘compared with’ is the decider in GMAT SC these days.


Hey Daagh,
Just a quick clarification;
narrowed down to A and C
i chose A as the answer because "convinced that" is the correct idiomatic usage, firstly, and secondly because "compared with" is preferred to "compared to" in this case.

my concern is with the comma after " that " in option A.
is it just to have a comma after " that " here???

another query is;
is brutalSC a reliable source for preparing for SC?? i had read in one the forums that brutalSC tests nothing that the real GMAT does; since then i've stooped looking at the brutalsc questions.

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This is one of the worst transcribed SC questions that I have ever seen. For people who want a better transcription, see http://gmatclub.com/forum/despite-the-growing-number-of-people-who-purchase-plane-77434.html


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Despite the growing number of people who purchase plane tickets online, airline
executives are convinced that, just as one-third of bank customers still prefer human
tellers to automatic teller machines, many travelers will
still use travel agents.
A. growing number of people who purchase plane tickets online, airline executives
are convinced that, just as one-third of bank customers still prefer human tellers to
automatic teller machines, many travelers will
B. growing number of people who purchase plane tickets online, airline executives
are convinced, just as one-third of bank customers still prefer human tellers to
automatic teller machines, that many travelers would
C. growing number of people purchasing plane tickets online, airline executives are
convinced, just as one-third of bank customers still prefer human tellers as
compared to automatic teller machines, many travelers will
D. fact that the number of people purchasing plane tickets online is growing, airline
executives are convinced, just as one-third of bank customers still prefer human
tellers as compared to automatic teller machines, that many travelers would
E. fact that the number of people who purchase plane tickets online are growing,
airline executives are convinced that, just as one-third of bank customers still
prefer human tellers compared with automatic teller machines, many travelers
would


Do the usage of "TO" correct in a comparison in Option A and Option B "just as one-third of bank customers still prefer human
tellers to automatic teller machines
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Do the usage of "TO" correct in a comparison in Option A and Option B "just as one-third of bank customers still prefer human
tellers to automatic teller machines
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Yes the usage of to is correct. The idiomatic structure is prefer X to Y, not prefer X than Y.

Correct: I prefer tea to coffee.
Wrong: I prefer tea than coffee.

In this sentence: Customers prefer human tellers to automatic teller machines...... correct

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