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Divisibility and Remainders on the GMAT

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Hi pushpitkc can you explain following:

what are these numbers in red ?... quotients ? :? or what? "Since the next number will also belong to both the lists above so it will be 3/6/9/12/15/18/21… away from 5 and it will also be 7/14/21/28/35/42… "


why there will be many more numbers of the form (3a+2) than (7b + 5) ? how can i figure that out that there are more numbers of the form (3a+2) :?


Numbers of the form (3a+2): 2, 5, 8, 11, 14, 17, 20, 23, 26, 29, 32, 35, 38, 41, 44, 47, 50… here, do we add divisor to remainder ?

Numbers of the form (7b + 5): 5, 12, 19, 26, 33, 40, 47, 54, 61, 68, 75… here, do we add divisor to remainder ?


What is the point of rewriting \(n = 3a + 2\) AS \(3x – 1\) and not using it in solution above ?

And \(n = 7b + 5\) AS \(7y – 2\) same here


From other solutions i see that people equate \(3a + 2 = 7b + 5\) why ? in which cases can we equate ?

thank you:-)


Hey dave13

First things first, the first list of numbers are of form 3x and 7x, where x takes integer values starting from 1.

Every time you add 2 to 3x, you will get a number of the form 3x + 2.
Similarly, we get 7x + 5 when you add 5 to 7x.

3x + 2 -> 2,5,8,11,14,17,20(7 numbers)
7x + 5 -> 5,12,19(3 numbers)

So, you can extrapolate and find out that there are more numbers of the form 3x + 2 than of the form 7x + 5.

I think the reason we re-write 3a+2 as 3x–1 and 7b+5 as 7b-2 is to explain that they yield a common list.

Here, we need to find the numbers which are present in both the lists. So, you can't equate in this case.

Hope this helps you!
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dave13 wrote:
Hi pushpitkc can you explain following:

what are these numbers in red ?... quotients ? :? or what? "Since the next number will also belong to both the lists above so it will be 3/6/9/12/15/18/21… away from 5 and it will also be 7/14/21/28/35/42… "


why there will be many more numbers of the form (3a+2) than (7b + 5) ? how can i figure that out that there are more numbers of the form (3a+2) :?


Numbers of the form (3a+2): 2, 5, 8, 11, 14, 17, 20, 23, 26, 29, 32, 35, 38, 41, 44, 47, 50… here, do we add divisor to remainder ?

Numbers of the form (7b + 5): 5, 12, 19, 26, 33, 40, 47, 54, 61, 68, 75… here, do we add divisor to remainder ?


What is the point of rewriting \(n = 3a + 2\) AS \(3x – 1\) and not using it in solution above ?

And \(n = 7b + 5\) AS \(7y – 2\) same here


From other solutions i see that people equate \(3a + 2 = 7b + 5\) why ? in which cases can we equate ?

thank you:-)


Hey dave13

First things first, the first list of numbers are of form 3x and 7x, where x takes integer values starting from 1.

Every time you add 2 to 3x, you will get a number of the form 3x + 2.
Similarly, we get 7x + 5 when you add 5 to 7x.

3x + 2 -> 2,5,8,11,14,17,20(7 numbers)
7x + 5 -> 5,12,19(3 numbers)

So, you can extrapolate and find out that there are more numbers of the form 3x + 2 than of the form 7x + 5.

I think the reason we re-write 3a+2 as 3x–1 and 7b+5 as 7b-2 is to explain that they yield a common list.

Here, we need to find the numbers which are present in both the lists. So, you can't equate in this case.

Hope this helps you!



pushpitkc thank you for your nice explanation :)

one question:

what are these numbers in red (quotients ?) and how do we get them ?... "Since the next number will also belong to both the lists above so it will be 3/6/9/12/15/18/21… away from 5 and it will also be 7/14/21/28/35/42… "

thanks and have a great day :-)
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dave13 wrote:
Hi pushpitkc can you explain following:

what are these numbers in red ?... quotients ? :? or what? "Since the next number will also belong to both the lists above so it will be 3/6/9/12/15/18/21… away from 5 and it will also be 7/14/21/28/35/42… "


why there will be many more numbers of the form (3a+2) than (7b + 5) ? how can i figure that out that there are more numbers of the form (3a+2) :?


Numbers of the form (3a+2): 2, 5, 8, 11, 14, 17, 20, 23, 26, 29, 32, 35, 38, 41, 44, 47, 50… here, do we add divisor to remainder ?

Numbers of the form (7b + 5): 5, 12, 19, 26, 33, 40, 47, 54, 61, 68, 75… here, do we add divisor to remainder ?


What is the point of rewriting \(n = 3a + 2\) AS \(3x – 1\) and not using it in solution above ?

And \(n = 7b + 5\) AS \(7y – 2\) same here


From other solutions i see that people equate \(3a + 2 = 7b + 5\) why ? in which cases can we equate ?

thank you:-)


Hey dave13

First things first, the first list of numbers are of form 3x and 7x, where x takes integer values starting from 1.

Every time you add 2 to 3x, you will get a number of the form 3x + 2.
Similarly, we get 7x + 5 when you add 5 to 7x.

3x + 2 -> 2,5,8,11,14,17,20(7 numbers)
7x + 5 -> 5,12,19(3 numbers)

So, you can extrapolate and find out that there are more numbers of the form 3x + 2 than of the form 7x + 5.

I think the reason we re-write 3a+2 as 3x–1 and 7b+5 as 7b-2 is to explain that they yield a common list.

Here, we need to find the numbers which are present in both the lists. So, you can't equate in this case.

Hope this helps you!



pushpitkc thank you for your nice explanation :)

one question:

what are these numbers in red (quotients ?) and how do we get them ?... "Since the next number will also belong to both the lists above so it will be 3/6/9/12/15/18/21… away from 5 and it will also be 7/14/21/28/35/42… "

thanks and have a great day :-)


dave13

This is the part of the solution that you seem to have a problem with

Say, we identified that the smallest positive number which gives a remainder of 2 when divided by 3 and a remainder of 5 when divided by 7 is 5 (note here that when we divide 5 by 7, the quotient is 0 and the remainder is 5). What will be the next such number? Since the next number will also belong to both the lists above so it will be 3/6/9/12/15/18/21… away from 5 and it will also be 7/14/21/28/35/42… away from 5 i.e. it will be a multiple of 3 and a multiple of 7 away from 5. The smallest such multiple is obviously the LCM (lowest common multiple) of 3 and 7 i.e. 21. Hence the next such number will be 21 away from 5. We get 26. Use the same logic to get the next such number. It will be another 21 away from 26 so we get 47. By the same logic, the next few such numbers will be 68, 89, 110 etc. How many such numbers will be less than 100? 5, 26, 47, 68, 89 i.e. 5 such numbers.

Once we identify the smallest number(in this case 5) which gives a remainder of 2 when divided by 3.
In order to identify the next such number(which gives a remainder of 2 when divided by 3), we need to
add 3/6/9/12/15/18/21 to 5.

This list contains numbers which when added to 5, give us numbers when divided by 3, give us a remainder of 2:{5,5+3,5+6,5+9,5+12,5+15,5+18,5+21,5+24,5+27,5+30...} or {5,8,11,14,17,20,23,26,29,32,35... }

Similarly, to identify the next such number(which gives a remainder of 5 when divided by 7), you will need to add
7/14/21/28/35/42 to 5. The list is {5,5+7,5+14,5+21,5+28,5+35...} or {5,12,19,26,33,40...}

The next step is finding the common numbers in both the list which is {5, 26, 47, 68, 89}

Hope this helps clear your confusion!
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