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Dressed as a man and using the name Robert Shurtleff, Deborah Sampson,

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Whenever you see a “having + verb” construction on the GMAT, it generally needs to be the first of two past actions. So you could say something like “having studied all night, Souvik collapsed on the sofa and watched three consecutive Marvel films.” In other words, he studied first, and then collapsed. Fair enough.


Do we treat coma + having as a verb or as a noun modifier showing how / result of preceding clause?

I'm not 100% sure that I'm interpreting your question correctly, but you could think of "having + verb" as just another "-ing" modifier, in some sense. "Having studied all night, ______" -- well, the blank needs to be filled with somebody that studied all night before doing something else. Sure, "having + verb" has to describe the first of two actions, but that action also has to "make sense" with the noun that follows, just like the other "-ing" modifiers discussed in this article.

Does that help? And the example involving three consecutive Marvel films may or may not describe a real person. ;)
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Thanks for your two cents. Here was from where my question stemmed.

When you wrote about considering having + verb as an action, which comes earlier out
of two actions, I immediately related the construction as one similar to past perfect tense
which is a verb. However, as you correctly pointed out, the having + verb is a modifier that refers
back to subject - Souvik which is a noun. This makes sense to treat the modifier as a noun modifier.

And thanks for sharing more info about Souvik ;)
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And thanks for sharing more info about Souvik ;)

What?! I mean, "Souvik" was just a randomly selected name. I mean, totally just a coincidence. Did you really think that souvik101990 is a hard-working movie lover? ;) ;) ;)
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And thanks for sharing more info about Souvik ;)

What?! I mean, "Souvik" was just a randomly selected name. I mean, totally just a coincidence. Did you really think that souvik101990 is a hard-working movie lover? ;) ;) ;)


Hi, GMATNinja

Althought I chose A, as the best availble option, I have a doubt: the author listed 3 actions in the past, and in the end the author placed "a reason + past perfect". Isn't it can be read as "She did all these 3 actions because she had been ill"?
How can the problem be solved, of course, if it exists not only in my head, but also in a real world ? :-) Thanks.
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adkikani wrote:
And thanks for sharing more info about Souvik ;)

What?! I mean, "Souvik" was just a randomly selected name. I mean, totally just a coincidence. Did you really think that souvik101990 is a hard-working movie lover? ;) ;) ;)


Hi, GMATNinja

Althought I chose A, as the best availble option, I have a doubt: the author listed 3 actions in the past, and in the end the author placed "a reason + past perfect". Isn't it can be read as "She did all these 3 actions because she had been ill"?
How can the problem be solved, of course, if it exists not only in my head, but also in a real world ? :-) Thanks.


If you have a parallel construction with three actions separated by commas, there's no reason why we can't have a modifier at the end refer only to the last element. For example, "Souvik watched three Marvel movies on Thursday, played video games for nine consecutive hours on Friday, and called his doctor on Saturday because he couldn't get out of bed." Clearly, we're not suggesting that Souvik watched movies on Thursday because he couldn't get out of bed on Saturday! (But feel free to ask him about this if you'd like.)

If a writer wanted a modifier to refer to every element in a list, it would make more sense to place that modifier before the list. For example, "Because he couldn't get out of bed, Souvik did x, y, and z," would actually suggest that being unable to get out of bed was the cause of all three actions. The modifier placement dictates the meaning.

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i think the 'injured three times' could be the modifier and that would make sense. So she joined the army and the injured thing is a modifier after that.
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i think the 'injured three times' could be the modifier and that would make sense. So she joined the army and the injured thing is a modifier after that.
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(A) 22, was injured three times, and was discharged in 1783 because she had become

I often hear people say that (A) isn’t parallel: “…Deborah Sampson… joined the Continental Army…, was injured three times, and was discharged in 1783…” That’s actually completely fine: we have three parallel verbs, and they make perfect sense, since they are three actions that Sampson performed.

The objection is usually that the three verbs “aren’t in the same form” or “don’t sound the same.” Neither of those are legitimate objections. All that really matters is that they’re three verbs that logically are three actions performed by the subject of the clause. It’s not a problem that one is an action verb (“joined”) and the other two are states of being (“was injured” and “was discharged”).

The only other potential issue is the past perfect tense (“had become”) at the end of the sentence. We can only use past perfect tense to describe an action that happened in the past, but BEFORE some other past action, which is usually in simple past tense. And we have that: she “had become too ill too serve” before she “was discharged.”

So let’s keep (A).

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(B) 22, was injured three times, while being discharged in 1783 because she had become

My biggest issue is with the phrase “while being discharged in 1783.” Literally, that seems to be saying that she simultaneously was discharged and was injured three times in 1783. And that makes no sense – there’s no way that those things can happen at the same exact time.

Plus, I think we would need an “and” somewhere in here: there are several actions, and at least two of them (“joined the Continental Army” and “was injured three times”) already seem to be parallel. So the “and” is necessary.

That’s enough to eliminate (B).

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(C) 22, and was injured three times, and discharged in 1783, being

Now this is a weird mess. Sampson “joined the Continental Army… and was injured… and discharged…” Huh? First of all, those three actions (“joined”, “was injured”, and “was discharged”) are logically parallel to each other, so we only need one “and” – not two.

Second, it’s wrong to say that Sampson “discharged in 1783.” We could say that she WAS discharged from the Army, or I guess we could say that she “discharged a weapon” (a semi-obscure way to say that she fired it). But you wouldn’t just say that “Sampson… discharged.”

And “being” is also a mess. It seems to be trying to act as a modifier of some sort, but that’s rarely an acceptable use on the GMAT. (More on “being” here.)

So we have tons of reasons to ditch (C).

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(D) 22, injured three times, and was discharged in 1783 because she was

(D) isn’t too bad, but it doesn’t make sense to say that Sampson “injured three times.” You can say that she WAS injured three times, or maybe that she injured three enemy soldiers. But you can’t say that she “injured three times.”

And that’s enough to disqualify (D).

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(E) 22, having been injured three times and discharged in 1783, being

Whenever you see a “having + verb” construction on the GMAT, it generally needs to be the first of two past actions. So you could say something like “having studied all night, Souvik collapsed on the sofa and watched three consecutive Marvel films.” In other words, he studied first, and then collapsed. Fair enough.

But in (E), it sounds like Sampson was injured and discharged first, and THEN she joined the Army. And that makes no sense at all.

We also have a problem with “being”, which is apparently being used as a modifier in (E) – and that’s a use that we almost never see on correct GMAT questions. “Being” isn’t always wrong on the GMAT, but it’s probably wrong here.

But even if you really love “being” in (E) for some inexplicable reason, we still have lots of reasons to eliminate (E). And we’re left with (A).

i have a doubt i.e had on time line shows that "had action" done first in past than other action so had is used with because she had ill and that means she became ill first than she joined and other action and i dont think so that make sense please reply as soon as possible
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Hi Rishabh, that's right. The sentence uses past perfect tense (had become) which depicts chronology of events:

i) Deborah Sampson joined the Continental Army in 1782
ii) She was injured three times
iii) Presumably because of the injuries, by 1783, she had become too ill to serve
iv) Hence, she was discharged in 1783
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