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In option C shouldn't there be comma instead of full stop after direct method?

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Foreign-language instruction, when taught by the direct method, standing in contrast to traditional grammar and translation methods, emphasizes teaching through the target language only—the rationale being that students will be able to work out grammatical rules from the language provided.


A) Foreign-language instruction, when taught by the direct method, standing in contrast to traditional grammar and translation methods

Modifier error. The second modifier (in red) should TOUCH the thing it is modifying)

B) When taught by the direct method, standing in contrast to traditional grammar and translation methods, foreign-language instruction

Same error as (A)

C) When taught by the direct method, foreign-language instruction, in contrast to traditional grammar and translation methods

Looks good

D) The direct method of foreign-language instruction, which stands in contrast to traditional grammar and translation methods

1) "Which" should be modifying "The direct method", however it is modifying "instruction"
2) "Which stands in contrast" is a messy way of saying "In contrast"

E) Instructing foreign languages by the direct method, which stands in contrast to traditional grammar and translation methods


"Which stands in contrast" is too messy / not as concise as (C), which simply says "In contrast"
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It took me 2 minutes and 6 seconds to decide on choice (D).

For the main clause, what "emphasizes teaching through the target language only"? It is not merely "Foreign-language instruction" but "The direct method of foreign-language instruction". Or, if the subject is to be compared with "traditional grammar and translation methods", the subject needs to be a method as well.

(A) (1)The subject cannot be contrasted with "traditional grammar and translation methods“. (2) "when taught by the direct method, standing in contrast to traditional grammar and translation methods," is a very awkward construction.

(B) Same two issues as in (A)

(C) The subject cannot be contrasted with "traditional grammar and translation methods“.

(D) No issue.

(E) The subject cannot be contrasted with "traditional grammar and translation methods“.
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Foreign-language instruction, when taught by the direct method, standing in contrast to traditional grammar and translation methods, emphasizes teaching through the target language only—the rationale being that students will be able to work out grammatical rules from the language provided.

when is a adverbial modifier, it can modify either a clause or the verb but it cannot modify a noun.
so foreign language instruction which is a noun cannot be modified by when
so A,B,C are wrong





E) Instructing foreign languages by the direct method, which stands in contrast to traditional grammar and translation methods ( verbing modifier and a relative clause (dependent clause) . so IC missing. hence wrong)

D) The direct method of foreign-language instruction, which stands in contrast to traditional grammar and translation methods ( which can modify both subject or the noun touching it, here entire noun phrase being modified. so no major error this is correct choice)
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IMO correct answer is D

Foreign-language instruction, when taught by the direct method, standing in contrast to traditional grammar and translation methods, emphasizes teaching through the target language only—the rationale being that students will be able to work out grammatical rules from the language provided.


A) Foreign-language instruction, when taught by the direct method, standing in contrast to traditional grammar and translation methods - "When" cannot modify a noun - Incorrect

B) When taught by the direct method, standing in contrast to traditional grammar and translation methods, foreign-language instruction - Same as A

C) When taught by the direct method, foreign-language instruction, in contrast to traditional grammar and translation methods - Same as A

D) The direct method of foreign-language instruction, which stands in contrast to traditional grammar and translation methods - ",which..." generally a non-essential modifer used to modify the immediate preceding noun, but it can jump over some noun pharases associated with the noun it modifies to catch the main context, like here "the driect method" is being modified whreas the noun phrase "of foreign-language instruction" is skipped while the modification is done - Correct usage.

E) Instructing foreign languages by the direct method, which stands in contrast to traditional grammar and translation methods- meaning issue, Instructing is not what is the intended usage, rather the Direct Method is what needs to be modified - Incorrect.
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Project SC Butler: Day 160: Sentence Correction (SC1)


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Foreign-language instruction, when taught by the direct method, standing in contrast to traditional grammar and translation methods, emphasizes teaching through the target language only—the rationale being that students will be able to work out grammatical rules from the language provided.


A) Foreign-language instruction, when taught by the direct method, standing in contrast to traditional grammar and translation methods

B) When taught by the direct method, standing in contrast to traditional grammar and translation methods, foreign-language instruction

C) When taught by the direct method, foreign-language instruction, in contrast to traditional grammar and translation methods

D) The direct method of foreign-language instruction, which stands in contrast to traditional grammar and translation methods

E) Instructing foreign languages by the direct method, which stands in contrast to traditional grammar and translation methods

Phew! This is a tricky one (or may be just for me). I can try try to post an explanation but I am really not sure of what is happening here. I have marked the OA as D but I don't know.
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I have posted the official explanation HERE
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C) When taught by the direct method, foreign-language instruction, in contrast to traditional grammar and translation methods, emphasizes teaching through the target language only—the rationale being that students will be able to work out grammatical rules from the language provided.
• Same problem as that in A and B. "Foreign language instruction" should be foreign languages.
• redundant and confusing
Eliminate C

Quote:
D) The direct method of foreign-language instruction, which stands in contrast to traditional grammar and translation methods, emphasizes teaching through the target language only—the rationale being that students will be able to work out grammatical rules from the language provided.
• now the sentence is logical because the two methods are contrasted.
-- the direct method of foreign-language instruction [which stands in contrast to more traditional methods] emphasizes immersion.
KEEP

Hi generis, I've got a few issues I'm not quite getting, even after reading the explanation.


1)

I'm having trouble figuring out what "Which" is modifying in (D).

Is it referring back to "The direct method" or to foreign-language instruction? I.E, if we have a construction such as

What is "which" modifying??

Here's somewhat of a similar problem, where the modifier is "reaching" inside the prepositional phrase

Bunuel
Ray Harryhausen is an innovative filmmaker including in his legacy the bringing realistic dinosaurs and a variety of other gigantic, threatening creatures to the big screen.

https://gmatclub.com/forum/an-innovativ ... 02853.html


2) I understand that there is a meaning shift between "foreign languages" being taught and "foreign language instruction" being taught, however since the original sentence doesn't make that absolutely clear, we're left to decide which is better since it's not clear cut, which is why I think (C) is a valid contender..

3) You mentioned "Redundancy" in (C), can you elaborate a bit more on what exactly is redundant?


Lastly, thank you for the effort you put in, you're awesome :cool:
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I am disturbed between choice C and D.
it takes me a long time for these two choices.
I choose d because direct methods can stand in contrast to tradition methods logically. this is certain.
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I have question related to answer choice - D,

in MGMAT book it is specifically mentioned that "Use which only to refer to the noun immediately preceding it - never to refer to an entire clause"

As per the above reference the choice D is wrong. How can i handle such questions? Can you please share any related discussion on the same topic?

Thanks in advance for answering the questions.
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I have question related to answer choice - D,

in MGMAT book it is specifically mentioned that "Use which only to refer to the noun immediately preceding it - never to refer to an entire clause"

As per the above reference the choice D is wrong. How can i handle such questions? Can you please share any related discussion on the same topic?

Thanks in advance for answering the questions.

Can anybody help me with the above question?
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Project SC Butler: Day 160: Sentence Correction (SC1)


Foreign-language instruction, when taught by the direct method, standing in contrast to traditional grammar and translation methods, emphasizes teaching through the target language only—the rationale being that students will be able to work out grammatical rules from the language provided.


A) Foreign-language instruction, when taught by the direct method, standing in contrast to traditional grammar and translation methods

C) When taught by the direct method, foreign-language instruction, in contrast to traditional grammar and translation methods

D) The direct method of foreign-language instruction, which stands in contrast to traditional grammar and translation methods
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C) When taught by the direct method, foreign-language instruction, in contrast to traditional grammar and translation methods, emphasizes teaching through the target language only—the rationale being that students will be able to work out grammatical rules from the language provided.
• Same problem as that in A and B. "Foreign language instruction" should be foreign languages.
• redundant and confusing
Eliminate C

Quote:
D) The direct method of foreign-language instruction, which stands in contrast to traditional grammar and translation methods, emphasizes teaching through the target language only—the rationale being that students will be able to work out grammatical rules from the language provided.
• now the sentence is logical because the two methods are contrasted.
-- the direct method of foreign-language instruction [which stands in contrast to more traditional methods] emphasizes immersion.
KEEP

Hi generis, I've got a few issues I'm not quite getting, even after reading the explanation.


1) I'm having trouble figuring out what "Which" is modifying in (D).

Is it referring back to "The direct method" or to foreign-language instruction? I.E, if we have a construction such as

What is "which" modifying??

Here's somewhat of a similar problem, where the modifier is "reaching" inside the prepositional phrase

Bunuel
Ray Harryhausen is an innovative filmmaker including in his legacy the bringing realistic dinosaurs and a variety of other gigantic, threatening creatures to the big screen.

https://gmatclub.com/forum/an-innovativ ... 02853.html
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Hi ahabib ,

The sentence that you quote does not make sense.
This is the correct version: The legacy of Ray Harryhausen, an innovative filmmaker, includes bringing realistic dinosaurs and a variety of other gigantic, threatening creatures to the big screen.

I am utterly confused. I don't understand why you picked that example.
I do not see a relative pronoun or any modifier reaching behind a prepositional phrase.
Includes is a verb. It does not need to reach back over anything. It's the verb.
an innovative filmmaker is an appositive for Harryhausen. The appositive does not have to reach over anything, either.
I have been staring at this sentence for five minutes. I give up. You win. What are you talking about ? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Here is option D:

The direct method of foreign-language instruction, which stands in contrast to traditional grammar and translation methods, emphasizes teaching through the target language only . . .
which modifies the direct method—of foreign-language instruction, yes, but the main noun is the direct method.

• you seem to be familiar with a common exception to the noun modifier "touch rule."
-- Touch rule: a noun modifier should be as close as possible to what it modifies. If that rule always held, which would modify foreign-language instruction.
-- The rule does not always hold. Which is a non-essential modifier whereas the prepositional phrase "of foreign-language instruction" is an essential modifier. Two modifiers of the same noun cannot be in the same place at the same time.
-- Thus the essential modifier "trumps" the non-essential modifier.
The prepositional phrase (essential modifier) is placed right after the noun and is followed by the non-essential modifier which.

The modifier which often "reaches back" over the preposition to modify the "main" or "head" noun in a noun phrase.

How do we know whether which modifies the main noun or the noun right before the comma?
Context. Meaning. What is logical?
How about comparing the direct method OF teaching foreign languages to traditional methods OF teaching foreign languages.

For argument's sake, let's pretend that "taught" does not exist. Let's pretend that the subject IS the teaching of foreign language ("foreign-language instruction").
Does foreign-language instruction itself—literally, the mere fact of teaching students how to speak another language—stand in contrast to traditional grammar and translation methods?

Or does a direct method of teaching stand in direct contrast to the traditional methods?
The word "method" is used twice. Use parallelism.
In a contrast setup, the things being contrasted must be similar, or of like kind.
Direct method and traditional methods are parallel.
Foreign-language instruction and traditional method are not parallel.

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2) I understand that there is a meaning shift between "foreign languages" being taught and "foreign language instruction" being taught, however since the original sentence doesn't make that absolutely clear, we're left to decide which is better since it's not clear cut, which is why I think (C) is a valid contender..
Highlighted portion: excellent!
Now just stay with what you understand. The meaning shift is not just a shift.
One noun makes the subject of the sentence wrong. Which one?

The structure of sentence C does not allow the methods to be compared.
When [foreign-language instruction is] taught by the direct method, foreign-language instruction, in contrast to traditional grammar and translation methods . . .
The subject is foreign-language instruction. It is the implied subject of the when-clause.
Foreign-language instruction stands in contrast to traditional grammar and translation methods.
How? Why?
Most importantly, why on earth is that interpretation better than this one:
a direct method logically stands in contrast to traditional methods, as is the case in (D).

Explain to me why option C is better than option D.
Argue your case.
-- "We must decide which of two nouns is better" is not an argument for the proposition that C is a better sentence than D.
-- "We have two choices of subject" is not an argument that C is the viable one.
-- "We must decide between two meanings" does not logically entail that the two choices are equally valid.

Of course we have to decide which option is the more or the most logical.
Logical predication underlies 40% of SC questions. We had better be ready to make such choices.

BTW, are you arguing that option A determines intended meaning? I do not think you are arguing that position.
If so, let me know and I will happily post a rejoinder to that argument, too.

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3) You mentioned "Redundancy" in (C), can you elaborate a bit more on what exactly is redundant?
Sure. I rewrote the OE a bit.
In this case, given the content and structure of the entire sentence, there is logical redundancy when we use instruction is taught.

This redundancy is not the same as close proximity or past history.

This redundancy is between verb and subject.
That redundancy creates a situation in which people who are going to BE foreign language instructors ought to be immersed in the language so that they can learn the grammar of the language that they wish to teach.

Stop. People who know a foreign language may not know how to teach it. But they are not going to learn how to teach a foreign language by themselves being immersed in the language in order to learn the grammar.
Learning grammar does not teach you how to teach.
Also, IF these people are learning to teach the language, is it logical to believe that they need immersion in this language and to learn grammar by way of immersion?

These people are going to be teachers of a foreign language? No thanks. I'll pass.

Try to avoid looking at each segment under a microscope. (Even that activity should lead you to D.)
Step back. Consider the whole sentence.
Put the logical pieces together. Which ideas fit?

What makes you sincerely believe that C is as viable as D or that C is better than D?

I have a really hard time answering questions in which I am guessing.
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Thank you for the kind words. You are welcome.

If you have further questions, don't hesitate to ask.
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I have question related to answer choice - D,

in MGMAT book it is specifically mentioned that "Use which only to refer to the noun immediately preceding it - never to refer to an entire clause"

As per the above reference the choice D is wrong. How can i handle such questions? Can you please share any related discussion on the same topic?

Thanks in advance for answering the questions.

Can anybody help me with the above question?
Hi krrishwins . I'm happy to try to help.

(Getting an answer works better when you tag someone. There are hundreds of posts. :) )

Regarding the highlighted part?
True, which cannot modify the preceding clause.

But which can "reach back" over a prepositional phrase to get to its noun.

In that same book, please read Position of Noun Modifiers, 6th ed. pp. 59 and 60. You should see a sentence about a box of nails. (That's all I recall, other than the page numbers.)

An exception to the touch rule exists. (A few exceptions exist.)

I explained the exception involving "which" and prepositional phrases in the post immediately above, HERE.

Another resource is SC Tips and Tricks, which you can find HERE.
dave13 distilled an enormous amount of information about SC. I'd read the whole topic thread.

On that SC Tips topic thread, is this post, here which contains a creative sentence that he drafted in order to test the "which" rule exception. Read that short post first.

I responded, discussing why which does not have to modify the immediately preceding noun.

I wrote, A major exception to the "touch" rule: an essential modifier can separate which and its noun referent.
That statement and its explanation can be found here, in this post..

If you would like to tag someone, type the @ symbol and the person's username. No spaces. Leave one space after the username.
It may take us time to get to you.

Questions that are specific and easy to understand (as yours is, +1 :) ) are a lot easier to deal with.

I hope that helps.
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I am disturbed between choice C and D.
it takes me a long time for these two choices.
I choose d because direct methods can stand in contrast to tradition methods logically. this is certain.
thangvietnam , you found the most important issue.
Well done. +1
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I am utterly confused. I don't understand why you picked that example.
I do not see a relative pronoun or any modifier reaching behind a prepositional phrase.
Includes is a verb. It does not need to reach back over anything. It's the verb.
an innovative filmmaker is an appositive for Harryhausen. The appositive does not have to reach over anything, either.
I have been staring at this sentence for five minutes. I give up. You win. What are you talking about ? :lol: :lol: :lol:

The large, bolded portion answers my question. I treated the appositive the same way I deal with modifiers: by expecting it to modify the noun before the preposition. I was looking for the modifier to modify "The Legacy".

That's solved, so if you're still unsure what's making me confused I don't think it matters much because you answered my question (THANK YOU!)


As for the rest.. Yes you're right.. After re-reading the sentence and being more clear headed, (D) definitely makes more sense than (C)

Thanks again, I'd kudos you 10x if I could
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