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Re: GMAT Focus Algorithm - importance of the first 6 Questions is GONE [#permalink] New post   09 Nov 2023, 21:21
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To me, Data Insights score probably depends a lot on Multi Source Reasoning, that is the most challenging part of this section, are there any differences in your MSR results between two mock tests?
I did well on MSR (5/6) but so bad on Data Sufficiency (1/5) and with a total 13/20 I ended up with an 81, which is a great score from my perspective.

Intresting, so is gmac considering MSR type questions as highest difficulty in comparison to others? In my case one of the tests I missed a complete MSR and two questions more (1 graph and 1 two part) but the score was 79 points. Although it depends on the difficulty of questions and sectional order but let's see how others see things!

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I doubt there are categories of importance in questions since some tests have 1 MSR and some have 2. MSR's are like RC's, likely not adaptive within themselves (RC's were not) but just as important and playing the same role as other questions -to annoy us :lol:
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Re: GMAT Focus Algorithm - importance of the first 6 Questions is GONE [#permalink] New post   28 Dec 2023, 01:42
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Gmat Focus Official Mock 2,

Quant - All correct,
Verbal - 6 incorrect (4 CR and 2 RC),
Data Insights - 6 incorrect and 1 unattempted.

Would like to hear others points on this performance : bb , MartyMurray any thoughts?

My main thought is that, since the penalty for leaving a question unanswered on the Focus Edition is apparently rather large, you would have scored significantly higher if you had just marked that one unattempted question in DI.

Also, how many CR questions did you see on that test?
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Re: GMAT Focus Algorithm - importance of the first 6 Questions is GONE [#permalink] New post   28 Dec 2023, 02:22
Thanks Marty, Yeah i do understand the penalty is too severe on focus.

On the Verbal, i saw 10 CR and 13 RC questions
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GMAT Focus Algorithm - importance of the first 6 Questions is GONE [#permalink] New post   08 Mar 2024, 08:13
Real GMAT FE  Quant Score : 80 (66th Percentile)­, Edit Review: Incorrect to Correct: 1, Incorrect to Incorrect: 1.  Any thoughts why i got a low score?­
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Re: GMAT Focus Algorithm - importance of the first 6 Questions is GONE [#permalink] New post   08 Mar 2024, 08:46
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b[img]Screenshot 2024-03-08 at 20.34.22[/img] MartyMurray any thoughts why i got a low score?

­Hi Animesh.

Do you know which question's answer you edited to make it correct?
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Re: GMAT Focus Algorithm - importance of the first 6 Questions is GONE [#permalink] New post   08 Mar 2024, 08:51
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We have seen some strange scoring on the quantitative section of GMAT focus. We don’t have a good explanation besides some guesses but the worst score we have seen was 79 with two wrong. I need to find that discussion but it was very surprising.


The only explanation I have can come up with is that the question mix was generally easy. As the result, even a single mistake has a significant impact on the score. When you combine this with the desire that GMAC has expressed about creating a wider spread in the quantitative scores, it resulted into brutal scoring 😬 but this is only a guess, this is not a fact.

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Re: GMAT Focus Algorithm - importance of the first 6 Questions is GONE [#permalink] New post   08 Mar 2024, 09:11
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b[img]Screenshot 2024-03-08 at 20.34.22[/img] MartyMurray any thoughts why i got a low score?

­Hi Animesh.

Do you know which question's answer you edited to make it correct?

­Hi MartyMurray

Question No. 8 : Incorrect to Incorrect. It was a work rate problem. Spent 5 mins on this.

Question No. 9: Incorrect to Correct. It was a remainder problem including some unknown variable. 
 
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Re: GMAT Focus Algorithm - importance of the first 6 Questions is GONE [#permalink] New post   08 Mar 2024, 09:19
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We have seen some strange scoring on the quantitative section of GMAT focus. We don’t have a good explanation besides some guesses but the worst score we have seen was 79 with two wrong. I need to find that discussion but it was very surprising.


The only explanation I have can come up with is that the question mix was generally easy. As the result, even a single mistake has a significant impact on the score. When you combine this with the desire that GMAC has expressed about creating a wider spread in the quantitative scores, it resulted into brutal scoring 😬 but this is only a guess, this is not a fact.

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­I got the 3rd question wrong, most likely that's what killed my score. First 7 questions i found extremely easy. Struggled with Q. 8, spent 5 mins, then Q. 9 also i marked wrong initially, edited to correct later on.  
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GMAT Focus Algorithm - importance of the first 6 Questions is GONE [#permalink] New post   11 Mar 2024, 07:55
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­Hi Animesh.

Do you know which question's answer you edited to make it correct?

­Hi MartyMurray

Question No. 8 : Incorrect to Incorrect. It was a work rate problem. Spent 5 mins on this.

Question No. 9: Incorrect to Correct. It was a remainder problem including some unknown variable.

­So, you missed question 3, which may have been relatively easy, driving down your score and the dificulty of the questions that followed. Then, you drove down the difficulty again by missing 8 and 9, even though you later got 9 correct.

So, those two factors probably explain why your score was lower than you might expect with just three missed questions.­
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Re: GMAT Focus Algorithm - importance of the first 6 Questions is GONE [#permalink] New post   11 Mar 2024, 08:23
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Do you know which question's answer you edited to make it correct?

­Hi MartyMurray

Question No. 8 : Incorrect to Incorrect. It was a work rate problem. Spent 5 mins on this.

Question No. 9: Incorrect to Correct. It was a remainder problem including some unknown variable.

­So, you missed question 3, which may have been relatively easy, driving down your score and the dificulty of the questions that followed. Then, you drove down the difficulty again by missing 8 and 9, even though you later got 9 correct.

So, those two factors probably explain why your score was lower than you might expect with just three missed questions.­

­Yes, that might be the reason. Editing Incorrect to Correct didn't add much. My streak of correct questions are not that long.
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Re: GMAT Focus Algorithm - importance of the first 6 Questions is GONE [#permalink] New post   13 Mar 2024, 11:50
bb Is it possible that I performed poorly in the preceeding sections (Verbal & DI) and that's why i got an easier pool of questions in Quant section and got penalised heavily for 3 mistakes?­
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bb Is it possible that I performed poorly in the preceeding sections (Verbal & DI) and that's why i got an easier pool of questions in Quant section and got penalised heavily for 3 mistakes?­

­Hi Animesh.

Performing poorly on the preceding sections would be a factor causing you to score low on Quant because, as a result of your performing poorly on previous sections, you would have started with relatively easy Quant questions that would have been worth relatively little.
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Re: GMAT Focus Algorithm - importance of the first 6 Questions is GONE [#permalink] New post   13 Mar 2024, 12:15
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bb Is it possible that I performed poorly in the preceeding sections (Verbal & DI) and that's why i got an easier pool of questions in Quant section and got penalised heavily for 3 mistakes?­

­Hi Animesh.

Performing poorly on the preceding sections would be a factor causing you to score low on Quant because, as a result of your performing poorly on previous sections, you would have started with relatively easy Quant questions that would have been worth relatively little.

­Hi MartyMurray

YES!! Finally some reasonable insights. Thank You very much.
Next time I am going to choose the order strategically. 
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YES!! Finally some reasonable insights. Thank You very much.
Next time I am going to choose the order strategically. 

­Yes, that idea is actually really interesting to me as well.

Now, having thought about that, I better understand how it is that people get relatively low scores with just a few missed questions.
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bb Is it possible that I performed poorly in the preceeding sections (Verbal & DI) and that's why i got an easier pool of questions in Quant section and got penalised heavily for 3 mistakes?­

­Hi Animesh.

Performing poorly on the preceding sections would be a factor causing you to score low on Quant because, as a result of your performing poorly on previous sections, you would have started with relatively easy Quant questions that would have been worth relatively little.

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Hello Marty,

Thanks for your input. I don't suppose GMAT Focused Ed. is section adaptive. Representatives from GMAC clarified this information over a few different webinars in the past.

Here is one of such webinars that I could locate off the internet -

https://youtu.be/ln_fH7rxPLA?t=2545

In a nutshell we were told that - GMAT Focused Ed. is not section adaptive. It is question adaptive. 

Happy to hear if you think otherwise.   :)­
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GMAT Focus Algorithm - importance of the first 6 Questions is GONE [#permalink] New post   13 Mar 2024, 15:18
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bb Is it possible that I performed poorly in the preceeding sections (Verbal & DI) and that's why i got an easier pool of questions in Quant section and got penalised heavily for 3 mistakes?­

­Hi Animesh.

Performing poorly on the preceding sections would be a factor causing you to score low on Quant because, as a result of your performing poorly on previous sections, you would have started with relatively easy Quant questions that would have been worth relatively little.

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Hello Marty,

Thanks for your input. I don't suppose GMAT Focused Ed. is section adaptive. Representatives from GMAC clarified this information over a few different webinars in the past.

Here is one of such webinars that I could locate off the internet -

https://youtu.be/ln_fH7rxPLA?t=2545

In a nutshell we were told that - GMAT Focused Ed. is not section adaptive. It is question adaptive. 

Happy to hear if you think otherwise.   :)­


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The section adaptive side of things is a big controversy. First, GMAC said GMAT was question and section adaptive. Later they said it was not section adaptive but only question adaptive. In our attempts to get the answer out of them, they said they would not comment on it. I don’t know which Side to believe especially since everything’s coming from one side and it’s conflicting

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Re: GMAT Focus Algorithm - importance of the first 6 Questions is GONE [#permalink] New post   13 Mar 2024, 21:12
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bb Is it possible that I performed poorly in the preceeding sections (Verbal & DI) and that's why i got an easier pool of questions in Quant section and got penalised heavily for 3 mistakes?­

­Hi animesh45,

I'm not sure if this helps, but the GMAT cannot select an easier pool of questions on the basis of your performance in an earlier section. I believe that the impact is limited (that is, it is not a major adjustment) and that the impact is limited to only one question (the first).
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The section adaptive side of things is a big controversy. First, GMAC said GMAT was question and section adaptive. Later they said it was not section adaptive but only question adaptive. In our attempts to get the answer out of them, they said they would not comment on it. I don’t know which Side to believe especially since everything’s coming from one side and it’s conflicting

­Hi bb,

The GMAT is question-adaptive.

A lot of the confusion that I've seen on GMAT club about this issue is due to a misunderstanding of the terms section-adaptive and question-adaptive. I've tried to address that in this post: Myth Buster: Is the GMAT Section-Adaptive?.
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Re: GMAT Focus Algorithm - importance of the first 6 Questions is GONE [#permalink] New post   13 Mar 2024, 21:20
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The section adaptive side of things is a big controversy. First, GMAC said GMAT was question and section adaptive. Later they said it was not section adaptive but only question adaptive. In our attempts to get the answer out of them, they said they would not comment on it. I don’t know which Side to believe especially since everything’s coming from one side and it’s conflicting

­Hi bb,

The GMAT is question-adaptive.

A lot of the confusion that I've seen on GMAT club about this issue is due to a misunderstanding of the terms section-adaptive and question-adaptive. I've tried to address that in this post: Myth Buster: Is the GMAT Section-Adaptive?.


I understand your point. And while I agree with it as well, I feel it’s important to state the fact that GMAC has flip-flopped on their comments and at the end has not given us a definitive answer on this matter. Just stating a fact. Maybe it is too obvious but just in case.

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