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Thanks for the bringing this point.. I always wanted to know this.
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11 Sep 2011, 12:30
Knesl wrote:
Thanks a lot.
I also think that the number of wrong answers, I mentioned, is too high. However, i really got 740 points. It was probably by a coincidence.
Now, I have 16 wrong answer in quantitative part and 12 in verbal and have Q46 V40 (700). (another Manhattan test). I think that it looks more reasonably.

Hi i have my 3 mock test Princeton review CAT1

A shameful 360 Q 22correct /37 and V 14 correct/41

But before that i gave Kaplan CAT 2 Q 13correct/37 and V 14/41 score 460....This is a 100 points difference how is this possible,........
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12 Sep 2011, 04:22
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Knesl wrote:
Thanks a lot.
I also think that the number of wrong answers, I mentioned, is too high. However, i really got 740 points. It was probably by a coincidence.
Now, I have 16 wrong answer in quantitative part and 12 in verbal and have Q46 V40 (700). (another Manhattan test). I think that it looks more reasonably.

Hi i have my 3 mock test Princeton review CAT1

A shameful 360 Q 22correct /37 and V 14 correct/41

But before that i gave Kaplan CAT 2 Q 13correct/37 and V 14/41 score 460....This is a 100 points difference how is this possible,........

Possible explanations:
1. It's not just the number of errors, the score depends a lot on the type of questions that were correct/incorrect.
2. Different test prep institutes have different scoring algorithms (according to their assessment of the GMAT scoring algorithm). The scores received from Princeton are not directly comparable to scores received from Kaplan. Scores of two different tests using the same algorithm are still a little more comparable.

All I would take away from the scores is that I need to hit my basics hard.
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Get started with Veritas Prep GMAT On Demand for $199 Veritas Prep Reviews Manhattan GMAT Online Marketing Associate Joined: 25 Feb 2011 Posts: 156 Followers: 26 Kudos [?]: 68 [0], given: 7 Re: have many wrong aswers can i afford? [#permalink] ### Show Tags 12 Sep 2011, 10:07 Hey Knesl, Scores on the GMAT are not based on the percentage of questions answered correctly. Tests you took in school were generally based on percentage of questions correct: the more you got right, the higher the score you received. On the GMAT, most people actually answer similar percentages of questions correctly, typically in the 50% to 70% range (even at high scoring levels). If test-takers all get a similar percentage correct, how does the GMAT distinguish among different performance levels? “Regular” school tests gave everyone the same questions and performance was determined based upon percentage correct. On the GMAT, everybody answers different questions, some easier, some harder. You can think of the GMAT as a test that searches for each person’s “60% level,” or the difficulty range in which the person is able to answer approximately 60% of the questions correctly. (This is not exactly what happens, but it’s a good way to think of the difference between “regular” tests and computer-adaptive tests.) Your score will be determined by the difficulty of the questions that you answer correctly versus the difficulty of those that you answer incorrectly. Best, Matt Mapplebeck Student Services Associate Manhattan GMAT _________________ Matt Mapplebeck | Manhattan GMAT Online Marketing Associate | New York Manhattan GMAT Discount | Manhattan GMAT Course Reviews | Manhattan GMAT Reviews Director Status: My Thread Master Bschool Threads-->Krannert(Purdue),WP Carey(Arizona),Foster(Uwashngton) Joined: 28 Jun 2011 Posts: 890 Followers: 92 Kudos [?]: 232 [0], given: 57 Re: have many wrong aswers can i afford? [#permalink] ### Show Tags 12 Sep 2011, 12:14 Power Prep 1 320 Q22 V11 (01/07/11) Power Prep 2 500 Q36 V22 (03/08/11) Kaplan CAT 2 460 Q28 V26 (09/09/11) PR CAT 1 360 Q32 V09 (11/09/11) MGMAT CAT 420 Q33 V17 (12/09/11) I guess it rare to see scores declining like this......I know i need to work in both the sections but majorly in Verbal......Confused where to start ? should i again start reading my basic books..... I have..... Princeton review Kaplan premier Kaplan 800( havent started yet) Manhattan SC(started reading) OG 12 (completed) Havent Test myself on Gmat prep yet..Guess will write it day after!!!!! any suggestions on how to improve my scores drastically are welcomed..... Thanks _________________ Director Status: Finally Done. Admitted in Kellogg for 2015 intake Joined: 25 Jun 2011 Posts: 537 Location: United Kingdom Concentration: International Business, Strategy GMAT 1: 730 Q49 V45 GPA: 2.9 WE: Information Technology (Consulting) Followers: 77 Kudos [?]: 3382 [1] , given: 217 Re: have many wrong aswers can i afford? [#permalink] ### Show Tags 14 Sep 2011, 01:57 1 This post received KUDOS Hi Prateek - Don't worry about your scores for the time being. I have been into this situation and belive me it can really disappointing for anyone after seeing a string of low scores. Here is what I did to increase my score from 460 to 530 [I am still preparing though]. GMAT is a test which is not all about the prep but also about other factors such as time management skills, your confidence level and of course your prep. I have found the "Confidence Level" the most important factor that can affect the performance on the test. Now this is what I did to raise my confidence level: 1. Start from Basics. Even if you think that your basics are strong then also I would advise go thorugh the basics. Always remember that unless you answer the easier questions correctly, you will not get questions of higher difficulty and to score higher on GMAT you have to answer the hard questions correctly. 2. Do topic wise prep. Divide both Quant and Verbal Section into sub-sections. For example: Lets say you are doing Quant, so try to do Number properties first and make sure you understand the concept. Utilize GMATClub as much as you can .There are some great people over here who are willing to help as much as you want them to. 3. Use standard material. I think BB has very kindly did an analysis on what material to use. Make sure unless you understand the concept, not to move from that question. 4. Make a study plan and try to stick with that plan. GMAT doesn't need 12 hrs of prep in a day, but make sure you devote deligently 4-5 hours a day if possible. 5. Increasing the score on verbal is difficult than increasing the score on Quant. Please do not take this as a criticism. Score can be increased though, but thorugh very thorough and careful preparation. For example, SC is based on rules, so if you master the rules then you should be fine. The same applies to Question types of CR. The gist is - DO NOT FEEL DOWN - get on with it with an attitude that this test will not intimidate you this time and you will kill it and you will do fine. Beleive me I may be repeating myself over here, use the experience of people of gmatclub. Its invaluable. Anything more you want to know please feel to ask. _________________ Best Regards, E. MGMAT 1 --> 530 MGMAT 2--> 640 MGMAT 3 ---> 610 GMAT ==> 730 Director Status: My Thread Master Bschool Threads-->Krannert(Purdue),WP Carey(Arizona),Foster(Uwashngton) Joined: 28 Jun 2011 Posts: 890 Followers: 92 Kudos [?]: 232 [0], given: 57 Re: have many wrong aswers can i afford? [#permalink] ### Show Tags 14 Sep 2011, 07:39 enigma123 wrote: Hi Prateek - Don't worry about your scores for the time being. I have been into this situation and belive me it can really disappointing for anyone after seeing a string of low scores. Here is what I did to increase my score from 460 to 530 [I am still preparing though]. GMAT is a test which is not all about the prep but also about other factors such as time management skills, your confidence level and of course your prep. I have found the "Confidence Level" the most important factor that can affect the performance on the test. Now this is what I did to raise my confidence level: 1. Start from Basics. Even if you think that your basics are strong then also I would advise go thorugh the basics. Always remember that unless you answer the easier questions correctly, you will not get questions of higher difficulty and to score higher on GMAT you have to answer the hard questions correctly. 2. Do topic wise prep. Divide both Quant and Verbal Section into sub-sections. For example: Lets say you are doing Quant, so try to do Number properties first and make sure you understand the concept. Utilize GMATClub as much as you can .There are some great people over here who are willing to help as much as you want them to. 3. Use standard material. I think BB has very kindly did an analysis on what material to use. Make sure unless you understand the concept, not to move from that question. 4. Make a study plan and try to stick with that plan. GMAT doesn't need 12 hrs of prep in a day, but make sure you devote deligently 4-5 hours a day if possible. 5. Increasing the score on verbal is difficult than increasing the score on Quant. Please do not take this as a criticism. Score can be increased though, but thorugh very thorough and careful preparation. For example, SC is based on rules, so if you master the rules then you should be fine. The same applies to Question types of CR. The gist is - DO NOT FEEL DOWN - get on with it with an attitude that this test will not intimidate you this time and you will kill it and you will do fine. Beleive me I may be repeating myself over here, use the experience of people of gmatclub. Its invaluable. Anything more you want to know please feel to ask. Hi Enigma Thats a very good,motivating and important piece of advice you have given me...Really appreciate your help on this... Well i have started doing verbal...I guess now i will do it for no less than two weeks before hitting another CAT test.... Also i just have manhattan SC ...Remaining manhattan i have few Ebooks..Which i have'nt read .... Thanks _________________ Intern Joined: 10 Jun 2014 Posts: 7 Location: United States Concentration: Strategy, Operations GMAT 1: 650 Q49 V27 Followers: 0 Kudos [?]: 5 [0], given: 1 Re: have many wrong aswers can i afford? [#permalink] ### Show Tags 21 Jul 2015, 01:30 If anyone can explain me the reason behind my scores it will be indeed helpful. GMat prep exam 2: Score 650 V31 Q 48 Verbal incorrect questions: 2,3,9,11,15,18,20,22,23,25,27,31,34,35,36,38,41 Total:17 Quant incorrect questions: 1,4,9,11,13,14,17,18,27,31,34,36,37 Total: 13 GMAT prep exam 3: Score 640 V30 Q47 Verbal incorrect questions: 1,2,4,9,21,22,26,28,30,34,36,37,39,41 Total: 14 Quant incorrect questions: 3,10,11,,13,15,16,18,19,22,26,27,29,30,34,36 Total: 15 Can anyone please explain the reason that even though the number of incorrect questions in my verbal has come down in 3rd exam but my score has also come down from 31 to 30. Also, out of initial 20 questions i got 7 wrong (V31) and when i got 4 wrong i got V30. Intern Joined: 04 Sep 2015 Posts: 15 WE: Asset Management (Investment Banking) Followers: 0 Kudos [?]: 1 [0], given: 65 Re: have many wrong aswers can i afford? [#permalink] ### Show Tags 30 Dec 2015, 10:19 Bump this topic up just to say that Veritas gave me a V33 for getting 6 questions wrong (1, 6, 7, 14, 38, 40). The prep must be designed to kill my confidence or something, considering its hellish difficulty Intern Joined: 20 Oct 2015 Posts: 47 Followers: 0 Kudos [?]: 2 [0], given: 8 Re: have many wrong aswers can i afford? [#permalink] ### Show Tags 05 Jul 2016, 04:49 Knesl wrote: Hi, I know that it is a strange question. Do somebody know how many questions can, on average, be answered wrong to achieve 700? I know that there are two parts (37 questions in the quantitative and 41 in the verbal part) and I know that GMAT is adaptive. But, assume that you will do equally on both parts. The reason why I ask is that I did some tests from Manhattan GMAT and got high scores. For instance, my score was 740 on one test - 46 quantitative and 45 verbal. I had 16 wrong answers in the quantitative part and 12 wrong answers in the verbal part. I have similar story with further two Manhattan tests. Don't you think that having 16 wrong answers of total 37 and 12 wrong answers of total 41 and still scoring over 700 is suspect? Are these tests at least a little bit representative for the real GMAT? What is your experience? do you think that having so many wrong answers still enables 700 score on the real GMAT Thanks a lot.. awesome question.. I found what I was looking for. Senior Manager Joined: 27 Mar 2016 Posts: 340 Location: United States (CO) GMAT 1: 770 Q51 V44 GPA: 3.69 WE: Analyst (Consulting) Followers: 17 Kudos [?]: 99 [1] , given: 26 Re: have many wrong aswers can i afford? [#permalink] ### Show Tags 05 Jul 2016, 10:36 1 This post received KUDOS mmapplebeck wrote: On the GMAT, most people actually answer similar percentages of questions correctly, typically in the 50% to 70% range (even at high scoring levels). I find this dubious, to say the least. 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In reality, the test does not give you hard questions between 17 and 32, giving just average difficulty, resulting into more correctly answered questions and also experimental questions throw the picture off a bit. I would guess for high scores (80th or 90th percentile and higher) the number of wrongs is reduced about 10% based on the ESR reports here: information-on-new-gmat-esr-report-beta-221111.html _________________ Founder of GMAT Club US News Rankings progression - last 10 years in a snapshot - New! Just starting out with GMAT? Start here... Need GMAT Book Recommendations? Best GMAT Books Co-author of the GMAT Club tests Intern Joined: 06 Sep 2015 Posts: 32 Location: India Schools: ISB '18 GMAT 1: 660 Q50 V28 Followers: 0 Kudos [?]: 2 [0], given: 36 Re: have many wrong aswers can i afford? [#permalink] ### Show Tags 08 Nov 2016, 07:59 Hi there, In GMATPrep test I got 12 incorrect in verbal and got a score of 28! Is this correct or am i missing something? 1 3 6 8 11 14 17 25 31 37 38 41 On the contrary, i got 14 incorrect in quant and got a score of 49. 2 4 5 8 9 10 14 20 27 28 33 34 35 37 Please explain. I am worried about my verbal score. Much thanks! _________________ What gets measured, gets managed Veritas Prep GMAT Instructor Joined: 16 Oct 2010 Posts: 7380 Location: Pune, India Followers: 2292 Kudos [?]: 15155 [0], given: 224 Re: have many wrong aswers can i afford? [#permalink] ### Show Tags 08 Nov 2016, 22:34 pranav6082 wrote: Hi there, In GMATPrep test I got 12 incorrect in verbal and got a score of 28! Is this correct or am i missing something? 1 3 6 8 11 14 17 25 31 37 38 41 On the contrary, i got 14 incorrect in quant and got a score of 49. 2 4 5 8 9 10 14 20 27 28 33 34 35 37 Please explain. I am worried about my verbal score. Much thanks! The number of right/wrong answers is much less predictive than you think. 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29 Nov 2016, 05:14
Dear Experts,

In my GMAT Prep EP-1 Test 2 I got a score of 700 Q49 V35.

I was surprised to see my Verbal score.Even after getting on 10 incorrect and none of them were in the first 10.

Question no I got incorrect (10,11,19,23,30,32,34,40,41).

I expected a higher score in Verbal.

In fact I was pleased with my performance except for the score!

The previous test I(EP1 Test 1) got a V37 with 14 incorrect and 2 incorrect in the first 10 and last 4 questions incorrect.

I am quite surprised at my Verbal score of 35.

Can anyone explain what exactly happened with my Verbal Score?

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30 Nov 2016, 02:13
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Dear Experts,

In my GMAT Prep EP-1 Test 2 I got a score of 700 Q49 V35.

I was surprised to see my Verbal score.Even after getting on 10 incorrect and none of them were in the first 10.

Question no I got incorrect (10,11,19,23,30,32,34,40,41).

I expected a higher score in Verbal.

In fact I was pleased with my performance except for the score!

The previous test I(EP1 Test 1) got a V37 with 14 incorrect and 2 incorrect in the first 10 and last 4 questions incorrect.

I am quite surprised at my Verbal score of 35.

Can anyone explain what exactly happened with my Verbal Score?

Thanks!

Nobody can explain what exactly happened with your Verbal score. One can only explain the factors that affect the Verbal score other than "correct/incorrect responses". This is done in the post to which I provided the link in my reply above.
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I wonder if I keep getting the right answers in quantitative gmat, then how CAT computer analyzes the result? :D
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I wonder if I keep getting the right answers in quantitative gmat, then how CAT computer analyzes the result? :D

If you keep doing so, the algorithm will throw harder question on you. If you get those also correct and end up doing all 37 questions correct, no one can stop you from hitting Q51.
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07 May 2017, 10:08
abhimahna wrote:
chessgiants wrote:
I wonder if I keep getting the right answers in quantitative gmat, then how CAT computer analyzes the result? :D

If you keep doing so, the algorithm will throw harder question on you. If you get those also correct and end up doing all 37 questions correct, no one can stop you from hitting Q51.

but, what if after I get consecutive n right questions, say 25 consecutive right question, and then get 1 wrong, how my score is recorded at that point?
If my score moves down, then it is quite unfair to solve many hard questions at the same time.
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