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I got 20 correct in the quant section yet ended up with 81 percentile

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Hi All,

I understand what marty is saying, but don't you think in renders the entire point of revisiting and correcting a mistake useless, as my first time answers are driving the test and the score and irrespective of whether I correct them or not will make little to no difference.

My another point on the same is that, I missed my questions till 4, beyond which I have taken less time and made none wrong, yet i did not get a hard or a very hard questions, if the test as it says is adaptive, it should have presented one of the hard questions after another 6-8 questions. but that sadly did not happen. Also, does time play a role in the increase of difficulty level?

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No, the algorithm does not look at time taken for scoring.

Unfortunately, I don't think GMAC will change your score. However, I do think that you should let them know about this issue.

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Wow... this is nutty. This kind of stuff did not even happen on the classic GMAT....
GMATNinja - may be of interest to you. FYI only.

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Hi Guys,
I got 20 correct in the quant section yet ended up with 81 percentile, can anyone explain why? Also, I did not feel that I got any Hard or Very hard question despite being correct. Also, I had corrected 1 and 4 in review. I want to actually understand how this works?

Sorry for a silly quetion but is this actual GMAT or GMAT Prep?
Can you confirm please - I could not find it in the discussion.

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Is this for real test , mock ?? Share screenshot if possible

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Is this for real test , mock ?? Share screenshot if possible

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Merging topics. It appears OP accidentally made 2 topics. There is a screenshot but not clear which test version this is.

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It may help to know the sectional scores and the order in which they were taken.
If I remember correctly, a below-average performance in a section immediately preceeding this quant may have made quant level easier all together.

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Quite unfortunate !! Possibly, the difficulty level of questions due to review (incorrect to correct) matters.

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What makes sense is that you'd get Q90 only if you got a set of relatively hard questions correct. For instance, if you got all questions correct the first time through, you'd get Q90. Or possibly, if you initially missed a question toward the end, say question 19, and still got hard questions all the way through the section, and then corrected your answer to that question, you'd get Q90.

Yes it makes perfect sense that you can score 90 after correcting a hard question, but not after correcting easy questions.
That happened with me in the Verbal section of GMATPREP-1: I corrected question 22 (which felt really hard then) and the score was 90.

The GMAC has always said, and it's stated in every Official Guide , that the score depends on three things (see the attached image):
1. The number of correct answers
2. The difficulty of the questions (harder questions contribute more to your score)
3. How many questions you answer (for the unanswered questions penalty)

This scoring must be the same still, even if we can now correct some answers. Each correct answer, corrected or uncorrected, will still be weighted according to the difficulty of the question.

The test taker who made mistakes in easier questions will have seen more easier questions. This test taker cannot score as much as someone who did not make those mistakes and saw only hard questions.

There's nothing unfair about this scoring. It's how the computer adaptivity works.

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The test taker who made mistakes in easier questions will have seen more easier questions. This test taker cannot score as much as someone who did not make those mistakes and saw only hard questions.

There's nothing unfair about this scoring. It's how the computer adaptivity works.

Hi vv65,

You're right, and that's why I don't expect GMAC to change such scores.

At the same time, it is GMAC that has introduced the review and edit feature, and therefore it is GMAC that needs to make the feature work so that it doesn't disadvantage test takers who aren't trying to game the algorithm. I'm not sure how they'll do that, as some test takers will try to game the algorithm.

That said, it's worth noting that we still don't (can't?) know exactly what happened in this specific case. For now though, I'll continue recommending that test takers use review and edit only if they absolutely have to.

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That happened with me in the Verbal section of GMATPREP-1: I corrected question 22 (which felt really hard then) and the score was 90.

I don't think this is the discussion.

What we are discussing is: What if someone marks an easy question initially incorrect and then later fixes it, ultimately getting all the questions correct. Would that person not get a perfect 90?

From what I understand, this person will get a perfect 90.

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Originally posted by Saakshi2407 on 02 Jun 2024, 14:25.
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Hi Banmeet, same thing happened to me.. even worse got a 76th percentile (Q82) with 20 questions correct. I read someone suggesting reaching out to GMAC, did you do that and did that help.

Request inputs from experts, details for me are : Attempted Q, V and DI; got 1st and 14th incorrect and corrected 14th while reviewing, quant somehow felt very easy, few questions towards end were tough/time taking and I finished attempting all questions in some 25 minutes, spent ~15 minutes reviewing all my questions and fixed 14th and still had some minutes spare, now I know I made a careless mistake in Q1 that I didn't notice when reviewing sadly.. in my head I thought it was a sure shot Q90 when I finished Quant but had an unlucky day:'( and I absolutely had no clue that edit to correct wont get me the same score but now I understand this and it does make sense in a way, still 76th percentile with just 1 question wrong which probably is a medium difficulty being the first question of the test is too harsh :'(

Can relooking at all questions might have been the culprit for me?

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Wow. This is crazy. I think I’m going to ask this question to the GMAC when they have their Q&A session at the MBA. Spotlight on Wednesday, June 12… do you have a screenshot by chance that you can share? Don’t need any personal details, just the screenshot of the score distribution as this is getting pretty ridiculous…

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bb - Added the screenshots above plus some in this message for review time, do you think revisiting all questions can have a penalty?

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Hi. No, there’s no penalty for visiting questions. You can review as many of them as you want based in the official feedback. This is really really really weird.

I will go ahead and reach out proactively to the GMAC team as well to get a comment from them or some kind of feedback because it seems pretty crazy too have 24% hanging on just one question…. This seems to be a very discouraging case.

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This is actually something that is really scary. Really wonder whether reviewing and correcting a question actually helps or not given that the set of questions following has a difficulty mapped accordingly to the wrong answer given earlier.

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bb - Added the screenshots above plus some in this message for review time, do you think revisiting all questions can have a penalty?

Hi Saakshi2407,

I agree with bb. Simply reviewing multiple questions should not have a negative impact on your score.

I've been wondering whether each individual section (Q/V) score is as accurate as it used to be. Firstly, there are fewer questions in each section. Secondly, there's no SC (SC requires more knowledge/skill). Thirdly, I'm not sure whether a score scale that's more accurate at the high end is really a great idea given a shorter, pure-PS quant section. However, to be fair, GMAC seems to believe that the new GMAT is just as accurate.

Thank you for sharing your experience, and I strongly recommend that you let GMAC know about this. They may not change your score, but they should be made aware of such issues.

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Hi Banmeet.

It appears that, by missing 1, 4, and 5, you drove down the difficulty of the Quant section. Accordingly, even though you edited 1 and 4 later, you didn't see many hard questions and thus didn't get a high score even though you got all questions correct but one.
Hi MartyMurray thanks for the answer. But can you please explain what happened to my case below.

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1 question wrong - Q85, 89th percentile. Did not edit any answer.

Case 2: Edited an incorrect answer to correct answer but still got 100 percentile. Question 6 was edited from incorrect to correct at the end of the test.

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The purpose of my question is to understand the reasons that could have caused the score to drop so much for just getting 1 question wrong. Any help is appreciated. Thanks.

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Just found this thread, so posting my own experience.
Took my official exam on May 6th. V -> Q -> Break -> DI
Official Score 615 (V80, Q80, DI81).

On Quant I got 19/21 correct with only a Q80 (66th Percentile).
Got the 2nd question wrong (Which I edited to correct).
5th wrong, and 16th wrong. So the actual 2 incorrect questions are pretty far apart.

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Ugh. Sorry about the Q80. This is very annoying. However, thank you so much for sharing your score and your details. I have added into a new directory of crazy scores I’m creating. https://gmatclub.com/forum/horrible-gma ... 34958.html

And I see you got a 675 since. What did you do and what changed by the way? (I see you went to Q90 😵)

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Hello Marty my question is if I made a one mistake earlier an medium difficulty question then there is no chance for me to score high despite solving all questions if the exam is adaptive shouldn't they give a chance me to improve my mistake, isn't it punitive no room for errors, this is bad GMAC should improve their algorithm for quants

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