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atalwar wrote:
Here i know consider as is wrong idiom, correct idiom is consider x,y. OG explanation says that B and D states Carter freed slaves that were not his own, my question is that how this change in meaning?


hi,

in this use of the changes the meaning.
in B and D...use of THE before 500...means he was having only 500 slaves ....but he freed more than 500 slaves..=>now if he is freeing extra slaves (number which is more than 500)then it means he is freeing somebody's else's slaves ..because he had only 500 of them...makes sense ==>so this changes the meaning.

in A :setting free the more than 500 slaves who were legally considered
NOW here THE more than 500 => this means he was having more than 500 slave and he freed them..

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In 1791 Robert Carter III, one of the wealthiest plantation owners in Virginia, stunned his family, friends, and neighbors by filing a deed of emancipation, setting free the more than 500 slaves who were legally considered his property.

(A) setting free the more than 500 slaves who were legally considered
(B) setting free more than the 500 slaves legally considered as
(C) and set free more than 500 slaves, who were legally considered as
(D) and set free more than the 500 slaves who were legally considered
(E) and he set free the more than 500 slaves who were legally considered as
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the correct idiom is Consider X Y

Only choices A and D use the correct idiom.
The ing modifier is used correctly, since it describes how Mr. Robert Carter stunned everyone!
and set - is not correct, because 2 verbs are parallel and it is illogical to say that Mr. RC stunned everyone and set free..



A) setting free the more than 500 slaves who were legally considered
looks ok.

B )setting free more than the 500 slaves legally considered as
incorrect idiom

C )and set free more than 500 slaves, who were legally considered as
incorrect idiom, and set should be setting.

D )and set free more than the 500 slaves who were legally considered
set should be ing modifier
set free more than the... - changes meaning. Now it is implied that he set free his 500 slaves and other slaves.

E) and he set free the more than 500 slaves who were legally considered as
new clause not properly connected.
incorrect idiom
set should be setting.


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A) setting free the more than 500 slaves who were legally considered
B )setting free more than the 500 slaves legally considered as
C )and set free more than 500 slaves, who were legally considered as
D )and set free more than the 500 slaves who were legally considered
E) and he set free the more than 500 slaves who were legally considered as


"more than the 500 slaves " seems wrong -- B,D are wrong
Considered vs considered as --> Considered seems correct as Considered X,Y --> C,E are wrong
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it must be "setting", which leaves A and B as possible answers. B is wrong because the word consider never goes with "as" and there should be "the" because we are talking about the 500 slaves of a man.

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In 1791 Robert Carter III, one of the wealthiest plantation owners in Virginia, stunned his family, friends, and neighbors by filing a deed of emancipa¬tion, setting free the more than 500 slaves who were legally considered his property.
(A) setting free the more than 500 slaves who were legally considered
(B) setting free more than the 500 slaves legally considered as
(C) and set free more than 500 slaves, who were legally considered as
(D) and set free more than the 500 slaves who were legally considered
(E) and he set free the more than 500 slaves who were legally considered as



Can someone please explain how A is the correct choice? Also, is it correct to use 'the' before 'more than'?

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In 1791 Robert Carter III, one of the wealthiest plantation owners in Virginia, stunned his family, friends, and neighbors by filing a deed of emancipa¬tion, setting free the more than 500 slaves who were legally considered his property.

(A) setting free the more than 500 slaves who were legally considered
(B) setting free more than the 500 slaves legally considered as
(C) and set free more than 500 slaves, who were legally considered as
(D) and set free more than the 500 slaves who were legally considered
(E) and he set free the more than 500 slaves who were legally considered as


There are 2 issues with this question -

1. Idiomatic Usage Issue ( Consider x , y )
2. Modifier Issue ( , ver-ing modifier )


Using the idiomatic usage rule we can negate option , (B), (C) & (E) so Option (A) and (D) remains..

Option (A)

In 1791 Robert Carter III, one of the wealthiest plantation owners in Virginia, stunned his family, friends, and neighbors by filing a deed of emancipation , setting free the more than 500 slaves who were legally considered his property.

If the verb-ing modifier appears after a clause and is preceded by a comma, then it modifies the entire preceding clause.


Option (B)

In 1791 Robert Carter III, one of the wealthiest plantation owners in Virginia, stunned his family, friends, and neighbors by
1. filing a deed of emancipation,
2. and set free more than the 500 slaves who were legally considered his property.

Option (B) illogically refers 2 actions highlighted above..

Hence among the given options only (A) follows..

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After eliminating unidiomatic choices involving the use of the verb ‘consider’, we are left with A and D. The gist of the topic is that the Robert stunned his family, friends, and neighbors, by releasing all (note all) the slaves he held in his enrollment. The is the implication of the use of the definite article ‘the‘in the original text. When you drop the definite article, then it means that Robert had more than 500 slaves and of them he released only 500. This is distorted intention. Hence A is the right choice


To be more clarified, is it like the following?

Let, Robert had 510 slaves. Without 'the' it means any number of slaves between 501 and 510 inclusive and with 'the' it means all 510 slaves.

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Let, Robert had 510 slaves. Without 'the' it means any number of slaves between 501 and 510 inclusive and with 'the' it means all 510 slaves.
To get the meaning difference, don't start by setting 510 as the total number, because it is that number that changes in this question.

He solved the more than 100 questions in the book.
This means that there are more than a hundred questions in the book (say 110) and he solved all of them.

He solved more than the 100 questions in the book.
This means that there are a hundred questions in the book (not 110), and he solved more questions than just those in the book (say from a test or another book).
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In 1791 Robert Carter III, one of the wealthiest plantation owners in Virginia, stunned his family, friends, and neighbors by filing a deed of emancipa¬tion, setting free the more than 500 slaves who were legally considered his property.
(A) setting free the more than 500 slaves who were legally considered
(B) setting free more than the 500 slaves legally considered as
(C) and set free more than 500 slaves, who were legally considered as
(D) and set free more than the 500 slaves who were legally considered
(E) and he set free the more than 500 slaves who were legally considered as



The meaning here is important, since Robert Carter did not two things (which is suggested in C, D, E through the "and"). When it comes to A and B we must see that B changes the meaning in a weird way. In B it sounds like Robert Carter set MORE than his 500 slaves free. Furthermore "considered as" is unidiomatic

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Experts please comment on my reasoning. Am I right or wrong ? AjiteshArun
My reason for answering this question

(A) setting free the more than 500 slaves who were legally considered

(B) setting free more than the 500 slaves legally considered as
"more than the" -- unidiomatic

(C) and set free more than 500 slaves, who were legally considered as
"neighbors by filing a deed" -- should be setting not "set"
(D) and set free more than the 500 slaves who were legally considered
"neighbors by filing a deed" -- should be setting not "set"
(E) and he set free the more than 500 slaves who were legally considered as
"neighbors by filing a deed" -- should be setting not "set"

so by method for elimination left with A only

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Experts please comment on my reasoning. Am I right or wrong ? AjiteshArun
My reason for answering this question

(A) setting free the more than 500 slaves who were legally considered

(B) setting free more than the 500 slaves legally considered as
"more than the" -- unidiomatic

(C) and set free more than 500 slaves, who were legally considered as
"neighbors by filing a deed" -- should be setting not "set"
(D) and set free more than the 500 slaves who were legally considered
"neighbors by filing a deed" -- should be setting not "set"
(E) and he set free the more than 500 slaves who were legally considered as
"neighbors by filing a deed" -- should be setting not "set"

so by method for elimination left with A only
1. The usage of and is a problem in some of these options. It could mean that Carter did two (possibly unrelated) things: he (a) stunned and (b) set free. So it's fine as long as you are going for setting because you want to say that the setting free bit is what he did to stun his family.

2. You could also avoid the wordiness introduced by considered as (it's not strictly incorrect or unidiomatic to use as with consider).

3. You could think about the meaning difference discussed here.
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AjiteshArun wrote:
You could also avoid the wordiness introduced by considered as (it's not strictly incorrect or unidiomatic to use as with consider).

Ajitesh, I have an idiom list which mentions that "consider as" is not correct.

Can you cite an example where GMAT is fine with this usage? Will help me clarify this ambiguity.

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correct idiom is consider x,y
left with A/D , the verb+ing after comma modifies entire previous clause so D eliminated

Hence A

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