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In his eagerness to find a city worthy of Priam, the German archaeologist Schliemann cut through Troy and uncovered a civilization a thousand years older as was the city Homer's heroes knew.

(A) older as was the city Homer's heroes knew

(B) more ancient than the city known to Homer's heroes

(C) older than was the city known to Homer's heroes

(D) more ancient of a city than Homer's heroes knew

(E) older of a city than was the one known to Homer's heroes

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In his eagerness to find a city worthy of Priam, the German archaeologist Schliemann cut through Troy and uncovered a civilization a thousand years older as was the city Homer's heroes knew.


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Meaning :-

1. The German archaeologist Schliemann was eager to find a city worthy of Priam.
2. He , therefore, cut through Troy and uncovered a civilization a thousand years ancient than other cities.


MORE OR OLDER IS ALWAYS FOLLOWED BY THAN

(A) older as was the city Homer's heroes knew
It should be Older than. Wrong.

(B) more ancient than the city known to Homer's heroes
Correct comparison. A civilization thousand years more ancient than the city . Keep it.

(C) older than was the city known to Homer's heroes
Wrong comparison. A older than B. A and B must be of same type. Here A is noun but B is verb.

(D) more ancient of a city than Homer's heroes knew
Again A more than B. B is not noun.Incorrect comparison. Wrong

(E) older of a city than was the one known to Homer's heroes
Again A older than B. B is not noun.Incorrect comparison. Wrong

IMO B.
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In his eagerness to find a city worthy of Priam, the German archaeologist Schliemann cut through Troy and uncovered a civilization a thousand years older as was the city Homer's heroes knew.


Intended meaning:
The sentence presents a few facts.
The German archaeologist Schliemann was eager to find a city worthy of Priam.
He did two things:
  • He cut through Troy
  • He uncovered a civilization a thousand years [u]older than other cities known to Homer's heroes


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(A) older as was the city Homer's heroes knew.

Incorrect comparision.
We are comparing a civilization which was a thousand years old with
verb = was knew
Also a comparative degree such as more / older is always followed by than.
E.g. Francis has more apples than Rhea. (correct)
Francis has more apples as Rhea (incorrect)

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(B) more ancient than the city known to Homer's heroes

Correct, two nouns are compared now: a civilization with a city, which is known to Homer's heroes

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(C) older than was the city known to Homer's heroes

Same problem of incorrect comparision of noun vs verb as in (A)
Correct usage of than after more.

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(D) more ancient of a city than Homer's heroes knew

Complete mess. Again the modifier ancient refers back to civilization,
but we need to compare two nouns, not a noun and a verb.

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(E) older of a city than was the one known to Homer's heroes

Incorrect comparision of verb vs noun
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(A) older as was the city Homer's heroes knew
--- "than" is missing - out

(B) more ancient than the city known to Homer's heroes
-- words after "than" -- the city (noun)..
check words before "more" --

" uncovered a civilization a thousand years more ancient than the city known to Homer's heroes"
i think -- "years" is a Noun and so the comparison is between "years" and "the city"--- illogical

(C) older than was the city known to Homer's heroes

(D) more ancient of a city than Homer's heroes knew

(E) older of a city than was the one known to Homer's heroes

How do you understand the comparison?
I get these types of questions wrong..

I am not able to understand the comparison in each option..
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(A) older as was the city Homer's heroes knew
--- "than" is missing - out

(B) more ancient than the city known to Homer's heroes
-- words after "than" -- the city (noun)..
check words before "more" --

" uncovered a civilization a thousand years more ancient than the city known to Homer's heroes"
i think -- "years" is a Noun and so the comparison is between "years" and "the city"--- illogical

(C) older than was the city known to Homer's heroes

(D) more ancient of a city than Homer's heroes knew

(E) older of a city than was the one known to Homer's heroes

How do you understand the comparison?
I get these types of questions wrong..

I am not able to understand the comparison in each option..




Hi there saurabh9gupta here my explanation not sure if it helps :lol:

If you read sentence from the very begining you will see that it starts with noun phrase i guess so :) " city worthy of Priam" I will replace this extract from sentence "the German archaeologist Schliemann" with just "archeologist" see below. to make it shorter. the meaning remians the same.

So the whole meaning of a sentence is that archelogist was looking for a city. So he discovered a civilization more ancient than the city known to Homer's heroes.

As you see civilazation refers back the city


In his eagerness to find a city worthy of Priam,archaeologist cut through Troy and uncovered a civilization a thousand years older as was the city Homer's heroes knew.

(A) older as was the city Homer's heroes knew (this is not a correct idiom ) as you mentined yoyrself older than is correct

(B) more ancient than the city known to Homer's heroes (here we compare "civilization" (noun) to the city )

(C) older than was the city known to Homer's heroes ( here you compare civilization to the verb "was" , and that is not correct , cause after "than" noun should be followed)

(D) more ancient of a city than Homer's heroes knew ( not correct cause comparative adjective "more ancient" should be followed by "than" and not by "of")

(E) older of a city than was the one known to Homer's heroes ( same issue as in D) :)


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When it comes to referring to civilizations, or things of historical import, then ancient is the word and not old. We use that word to denote things that we can understand mostly through relics because they are deep in the past.
We mostly refer old to human beings or things which are near our times or stuff of a reasonably comparable timeline. Therefore, I would not say that my President is more ancient than others are unless I mean to ridicule him.
We will conveniently remove choice A, C, and E, for using wrong diction.

(B) more ancient than the city known to Homer's heroes -- wrong comparison here. We are comparing civilization with a city.


(D) more ancient of a city than Homer's heroes knew -- correct choice. ---The possessive 'more ancient of a city' brings out the parallelism of comparison even.

Perhaps we may be tempted to select B as the correct choice as it is more precise than D. However, we must remember that civilization is only an attribute of a city and attributes must be compared with attributes only. Some might say that D is an awkward comparison and so on. But be that as it may.

Incidentally, this question seems to belong to the previous century and is more ancient or older than I imagined. Any reason for unearthing this?
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When it comes to referring to civilizations, or things of historical import, then ancient is the word and not old. We use that word to denote things that we can understand mostly through relics because they are deep in the past.
We mostly refer old to human beings or things which are near our times or stuff of a reasonably comparable timeline. Therefore, I would not say that my President is more ancient than others are unless I mean to ridicule him.
We will conveniently remove choice A, C, and E, for using wrong diction.

(B) more ancient than the city known to Homer's heroes -- wrong comparison here. We are comparing civilization with a city.


(D) more ancient of a city than Homer's heroes knew -- correct choice. ---The possessive 'more ancient of a city' brings out the parallelism of comparison even.

Perhaps we may be tempted to select B as the correct choice as it is more precise than D. However, we must remember that civilization is only an attribute of a city and attributes must be compared with attributes only. Some might say that D is an awkward comparison and so on. But be that as it may.

Incidentally, this question seems to belong to the previous century and more ancient or older than I imagined. Any reason for unearthing them?






Oh Hell, i think you can be are right daagh :lol: civilazation more ancient of city hmm

BUT daagh yes we are comparing civilization with city in B, AND by civilization, an ancent city is implied.

For example:

i have been searching for an ancient city since 300 BC :) and finally found a civilization more ancient than i ever expected.

now in the example above by civilazation is implied city. Ancient city = civilization why not ? :grin:
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Don't know, both A & B seem right to me
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In his eagerness to find a city worthy of Priam, the German archaeologist Schliemann cut through Troy and uncovered a civilization a thousand years older as was the city Homer's heroes knew.

(A) older as was the city Homer's heroes knew

(B) more ancient than the city known to Homer's heroes

(C) older than was the city known to Homer's heroes

(D) more ancient of a city than Homer's heroes knew

(E) older of a city than was the one known to Homer's heroes

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A is rejected as idiom error of as
D and E rejected as of a city is awkwad
Left with B and C
C is better than B older is precise than more ancient.
My OA is C
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In his eagerness to find a city worthy of Priam, the German archaeologist Schliemann cut through Troy and uncovered a civilization a thousand years older as was the city Homer's heroes knew.

(A) older as was the city Homer's heroes knew

(B) more ancient than the city known to Homer's heroes

(C) older than was the city known to Homer's heroes

(D) more ancient of a city than Homer's heroes knew

(E) older of a city than was the one known to Homer's heroes

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First, aGordeno , welcome to GMAT Club! :)

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Choice A is incorrect. The correct word following the comparative form of an adjective such as older is than, not as.

Because the more ancient civilization continues to be a thousand years more ancient than Troy, it is incorrect to use the past tense was as choices A, C, and E do.

Choices D and E also include an ungrammatical structure that follows the comparative form of an adjective with of

The best answer is B.

This OE is pretty good.

I'll add a few notes because this question is linguistically difficult.

In his eagerness to find a city worthy of Priam, the German archaeologist Schliemann cut through Troy and uncovered a civilization a thousand years older as was the city Homer's heroes knew.

Perhaps you have never read or heard of an ancient Greek writer named Homer who wrote The Iliad, downloadable here.

Perhaps you have never heard of or seen the film titled Troy, described here. (I give the film a thumbs up!)

Who is Priam? Who is Homer? WHAT is this sentence talking about?

For correct analyses that include context, read at dave13 's and adkikani 's answers

For a correct analysis that does not include context quite as specifically as do the answers immediately above, read warrior1991 's answer

I cannot decide whether there is a "best" answer.

There are three excellent answers: dave13 , adkikani, and warrior1991
Kudos to all three.

Nicely done.
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(A) older as was the city Homer's heroes knew
--- "than" is missing - out

(B) more ancient than the city known to Homer's heroes
-- words after "than" -- the city (noun)..
check words before "more" --

" uncovered a civilization a thousand years more ancient than the city known to Homer's heroes"
i think -- "years" is a Noun and so the comparison is between "years" and "the city"--- illogical

(C) older than was the city known to Homer's heroes

(D) more ancient of a city than Homer's heroes knew

(E) older of a city than was the one known to Homer's heroes

How do you understand the comparison?
I get these types of questions wrong..

I am not able to understand the comparison in each option..

saurabh9gupta , comparisons can be very confusing.
We purposely chose this question because GMAC likes to distract.

dave13 already answered your question. I am glad you asked, because many wonder and do not ask.
I just wanted to list some resources and a tip.

Resources

GMATNinja has a two-part series on comparisons that you can find HERE
Scroll down to the videos dated 3 Nov 2017 and 9 Nov 2017.

HERE is Series 1 of GMATNinja 's videos
Series 2 videos are HERE.

HERE, too, is a post on comparisons

TIP: Get as much exposure to a language pattern as you can.

-- make flashcards or use flashcards or both.
-- Read correct examples, as many as you can find.
Without realizing it consciously, those who are learning a language or learning to parse a language start to absorb patterns

In THIS post I mention the three most useful learning strategies according to a comprehensive report based entirely on studies and described in THIS Time article. The article contains a link to the report.

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In his eagerness to find a city worthy of Priam, the German archaeologist Schliemann cut through Troy and uncovered a civilization a thousand years older as was the city Homer's heroes knew.

(A) older as was the city Homer's heroes knew

(B) more ancient than the city known to Homer's heroes

(C) older than was the city known to Homer's heroes

(D) more ancient of a city than Homer's heroes knew

(E) older of a city than was the one known to Homer's heroes

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First, aGordeno , welcome to GMAT Club! :)

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Choice A is incorrect. The correct word following the comparative form of an adjective such as older is than, not as.

Because the more ancient civilization continues to be a thousand years more ancient than Troy, it is incorrect to use the past tense was as choices A, C, and E do.

Choices D and E also include an ungrammatical structure that follows the comparative form of an adjective with of

The best answer is B.

This OE is pretty good.

I'll add a few notes because this question is linguistically difficult.

In his eagerness to find a city worthy of Priam, the German archaeologist Schliemann cut through Troy and uncovered a civilization a thousand years older as was the city Homer's heroes knew.

Perhaps you have never read or heard of an ancient Greek writer named Homer who wrote The Iliad, downloadable here.

Perhaps you have never heard of or seen the film titled Troy, described here. (I give the film a thumbs up!)

Who is Priam? Who is Homer? WHAT is this sentence talking about?

For correct analyses that include context, read at dave13 's and adkikani 's answers

For a correct analysis that does not include context quite as specifically as do the answers immediately above, read warrior1991 's answer

We cannot decide whether there is a "best" answer.

There are three excellent answers: dave13 , adkikani, and warrior1991
Kudos to all three.

Nicely done.

Can you please brief why past tense is wrong in A C and E
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Can you please brief why past tense is wrong in A C and E


The issue is not with the usage of verb tense. The issue is: one cannot compare
a noun civilization with a verb was known

See if below examples help you understand what we are comparing:

I have more apples than had more oranges yesterday. Incorrect

I have more apples than oranges yesterday. Correct

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When it comes to referring to civilizations, or things of historical import, then ancient is the word and not old. We use that word to denote things that we can understand mostly through relics because they are deep in the past.
We mostly refer old to human beings or things which are near our times or stuff of a reasonably comparable timeline. Therefore, I would not say that my President is more ancient than others are unless I mean to ridicule him.
We will conveniently remove choice A, C, and E, for using wrong diction.

(B) more ancient than the city known to Homer's heroes -- wrong comparison here. We are comparing civilization with a city.


(D) more ancient of a city than Homer's heroes knew -- correct choice. ---The possessive 'more ancient of a city' brings out the parallelism of comparison even.

Perhaps we may be tempted to select B as the correct choice as it is more precise than D. However, we must remember that civilization is only an attribute of a city and attributes must be compared with attributes only. Some might say that D is an awkward comparison and so on. But be that as it may.

Incidentally, this question seems to belong to the previous century and more ancient or older than I imagined. Any reason for unearthing them?






Oh Hell, i think you can be are right daagh :lol: civilazation more ancient of city hmm

BUT daagh yes we are comparing civilization with city in B, AND by civilization, an ancent city is implied.

For example:

i have been searching for an ancient city since 300 BC :) and finally found a civilization more ancient than i ever expected.

now in the example above by civilazation is implied city. Ancient city = civilization why not ? :grin:


Sir,
OA says B is correct choice whereas you are saying D is correct. Which one is correct choice.
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In his eagerness to find a city worthy of Priam, the German archaeologist Schliemann cut through Troy and uncovered a civilization a thousand years older as was the city Homer's heroes knew.

(A) older as was the city Homer's heroes knew

(B) more ancient than the city known to Homer's heroes

(C) older than was the city known to Homer's heroes

(D) more ancient of a city than Homer's heroes knew

(E) older of a city than was the one known to Homer's heroes


Choice A is incorrect. The correct word following the comparative form of an adjective such as older is than, not as.

Because the more ancient civilization continues to be a thousand years more ancient than Troy, it is incorrect to use the past tense was as choices A, C, and E do.

Choices D and E also include an ungrammatical structure that follows the comparative form of an adjective with of

The best answer is B.

As per the OE, the reason to eliminate options A, C and E is given as "the more ancient civilization continues to be a thousand years more ancient than Troy". So, it is incorrect to use the past tense.
I agree with that.
But if we ignore the above tense logic issue for the moment, is it okay for an action verb(was in this case) to follow 'than'?

Generally, 'than' is followed by noun? Thus we can discard options in which an action verb follows 'than'?

I know more about Shakespeare than does my highly educated brother. -- 'does' is a helping verb. This statement is okay.

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As per the OE, the reason to eliminate options A, C and E is given as "the more ancient civilization continues to be a thousand years more ancient than Troy". So, it is incorrect to use the past tense.
I agree with that.
But if we ignore the above tense logic issue for the moment, is it okay for an action verb(was in this case) to follow 'than'?

Generally, 'than' is followed by noun? Thus we can discard options in which an action verb follows 'than'?

I know more about Shakespeare than does my highly educated brother. -- 'does' is a helping verb. This statement is okay.
Although I've never come across a construction in which an action verb swaps places with its subject after than, was itself is never an action verb. The sentence below with was (1) should be read as (2).

1. X was older than was Y.
2. X was older than Y was old.

3. X was working faster than was Y.
4. X was working faster than Y was working.

In (4), was itself is not an action verb (was working is the full verb).

5. I know more about Shakespeare than does my highly educated brother.
6. I know more about Shakespeare than my highly educated brother knows about Shakespeare.

7. X works faster than does Y.

in (5) and (7), does is a helping verb, know is a linking verb, and works is an action verb. I can't think of a sentence that would be correct with an actual action verb before its subject after than.

8. X works faster than works Y.
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A is an incorrect comparison. A noun (civilization) is being compared to a verb (was). I can also see that C, D and E have the same issue. B is the right answer.
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I understand that B is the best among 5.

However, is the use "more ancient" acceptable
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I understand that B is the best among 5.

However, is the use "more ancient" acceptable
Yes. It's just the comparative (we would not normally go with something like ancienter). You can also try this with a word like difficult:

The last question was a thousand times more difficult than the first.
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