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Just wanted to add that I believe its totally worth spending the extra $50 to buy EP1. It really helps practicing exam mentality to avoid any surprises, and the extra questions certainly help.

I am not sure if I will buy EP2 though since I only have 4 days to go for the test.
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Wanted some expert opinion on the 34 RC score in my 4th test. With just 2 wrong answers, that score dropped! I was pretty surprised. I guess it is important to not make mistakes in a row, but a 34 RC with 2 wrong and a 41 RC with 1 wrong just seems unfair!
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If you're looking for more data points, here are my results so far.


3/7/2016
GMAT Prep #1 590
Quantitative (38) Verbal (33) IR (5)
Problem Solving - 39
Data Sufficiency - 31
Arithmetic - 39
Algebra/Geometry - 36
Critical Reasoning - 36
Reading Comprehension - 31
Sentence Correction - 31
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9 11 2 7 4

4/15/2016
GMAT Prep #1 Retake 680
Quantitative (47) Verbal (37) IR (8)
Problem Solving - 48
Data Sufficiency - 41
Arithmetic - 47
Algebra/Geometry - 45
Critical Reasoning - 40
Reading Comprehension - 39
Sentence Correction - 30
# Incorrect Per Category
PS DS CR SC RC
3 7 2 8 2

4/29/2016
GMAT Prep #2 690
Quantitative (45) Verbal (39) IR (7)
Problem Solving - 42
Data Sufficiency - 49
Arithmetic - 39
Algebra/Geometry - 48
Critical Reasoning - 41
Reading Comprehension - 41
Sentence Correction - 35
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5/13/2016
GMAT Prep #5 710
Quantitative (48) Verbal (40) IR (8)
Problem Solving - 47
Data Sufficiency - 49
Arithmetic - 48
Algebra/Geometry - 48
Critical Reasoning - 39
Reading Comprehension - 35
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Thank you for posting your observations. i think the ESR (Enhanced Score report) that is unlocked with EP1 purchase is something we should try some what-if scenarios like we have done with GMAT prep in the past - I think it would be good to collection information from other members and what kind of scores/distributions of scores they have experienced!

Thanks bb. I can certainly provide you with more details, gave another test today. I did not even realize that buying Exam Pack 1 gives me the enhanced report.

I had a very interesting observation in my 4th test. I had 2 incorrect RCs (2 from the same passage, in a row) and my verbal score was 40! And my RC score was 34!!! That is certainly interesting. I had a total of 5 wrong answers and that's it. I was very surprised but once again, it is likely that I messed up two easy questions, but those questions din't seem to be easy to me at all. Anyways here are my detailed results

GMAT Prep 1 - 710 ( Q48, V40 )
Quant Break up (PS 47, DS48) and (Arithmetic 49, Algebra/Geometry 46). Total 15 incorrect answers
Verbal Break up (CR 38, RC42, SC41). Total 12 incorrect answers.

GMAT Prep 2 - 730 (Q48, V41)
Quant Break up - (PS 49, DS 47) and (A 50, A/G 45) Total 14 incorrect.
Verbal Break up - (CR 38, RC 41, SC 45). Total 5 incorrect. (Only 1 incorrect RC!!).

GMAT EP1 Prep 3 - 740 (Q49, V42)
Quant Break up - (PS 48, DS49) And (A49, A/G 47) Total 10 Incorrect.
Verbal Break up - (CR 40, RC51, SC41) 8 incorrect (All RC were correct).

GMAT EP1 Prep 4 - 750 (Q50, V40)
Quant Break up - (PS50, DS50) And (A50, A/G 50). Only 3 Incorrect!! (2 silly mistakes).
Verbal Break up - (CR42, RC34!!!!!!,SC45). 5 incorrect. 2 RC's in a row from the same passage around the 23-24th question.

I was so surprised at a 18 point drop in RC. For some reason I it gives me a feeling that at higher scores, RCs seam to be more important! Just an observation because my Verbal scores have moved so much because of RCs. How can 12 incorrect responses give me the same score as 5 incorrect responses! I know that GMATPrep algorithm is not random, but it is possible that they don't use the exact algorithm in GMATPrep, otherwise, it would be easy for people to figure it out. Having said that the amount of variation is quite stunning. 2 incorrect questions punished so hard? In the big scheme of things though Going from Q49 to Q50 seems to have made a difference.

I do believe that the first 10 questions matter a lot. I have always had at least one wrong answer in both quant and verbal in the first 10 questions. And I think that if I can nail those down, I have a good shot at getting 750. Hoping for the best.

4 days to go for the exam. I won't be giving any more GMATPreps, but hoping to repeat the performance.


Hi Just to top up...I wrote a gmat prep yesterday and got a total of 5 incorrect in quants (question no 16,22,23,24,25)...I got a Q48...So it`s a big learning for me.
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Yeah looks like incorrect answers in a row have a big impact on the score.
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Yeah looks like incorrect answers in a row have a big impact on the score.

Yes bro...so first 15 alone doesn`t matter.
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Wanted some expert opinion on the 34 RC score in my 4th test. With just 2 wrong answers, that score dropped! I was pretty surprised. I guess it is important to not make mistakes in a row, but a 34 RC with 2 wrong and a 41 RC with 1 wrong just seems unfair!
Try not to overanalyze your GMATPreps. The deeper you go, the less reliable your conclusions will become (human beings are great at seeing patterns in what could just be pure noise!).

Your RC scores are 42, 41, 51, and 34. Your total scores are 710, 730, 740, and 750. Your verbal scores are 40, 41, 42, 40. Pretty much everything looks positive.

All the best for the test. Don't put any additional pressure on yourself to get every single RC question correct.
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If you're looking for more data points, here are my results so far.


3/7/2016
GMAT Prep #1 590
Quantitative (38) Verbal (33) IR (5)
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PS DS CR SC RC
9 11 2 7 4

4/15/2016
GMAT Prep #1 Retake 680
Quantitative (47) Verbal (37) IR (8)
# Incorrect Per Category
PS DS CR SC RC
3 7 2 8 2

4/29/2016
GMAT Prep #2 690
Quantitative (45) Verbal (39) IR (7)
# Incorrect Per Category
PS DS CR SC RC
7 2 3 8 2

5/13/2016
GMAT Prep #5 710
Quantitative (48) Verbal (40) IR (8)
# Incorrect Per Category
PS DS CR SC RC
6 4 5 2 4

Thank you, however, we do need the ESR scores (on a 6-51 scale, rather than correct, incorrect per category)
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Wanted some expert opinion on the 34 RC score in my 4th test. With just 2 wrong answers, that score dropped! I was pretty surprised. I guess it is important to not make mistakes in a row, but a 34 RC with 2 wrong and a 41 RC with 1 wrong just seems unfair!
Try not to overanalyze your GMATPreps. The deeper you go, the less reliable your conclusions will become (human beings are great at seeing patterns in what could just be pure noise!).

Your RC scores are 42, 41, 51, and 34. Your total scores are 710, 730, 740, and 750. Your verbal scores are 40, 41, 42, 40. Pretty much everything looks positive.

All the best for the test. Don't put any additional pressure on yourself to get every single RC question correct.

Thank you for your comment. I agree with you. I think my takeaway from all this was that we can't reliably predict the scoring. Just need to focus on each section and each question one at a time. Still some more ESR will be interesting.
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Will some questions overlap from EP1 to the test or will they just be similar?

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Just wanted to add that I believe its totally worth spending the extra $50 to buy EP1. It really helps practicing exam mentality to avoid any surprises, and the extra questions certainly help.

I am not sure if I will buy EP2 though since I only have 4 days to go for the test.
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Will some questions overlap from EP1 to the test or will they just be similar?

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Just wanted to add that I believe its totally worth spending the extra $50 to buy EP1. It really helps practicing exam mentality to avoid any surprises, and the extra questions certainly help.

I am not sure if I will buy EP2 though since I only have 4 days to go for the test.

I doubt that I would see any repeats on the actual test.
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In Math I have heard a lot about this - If you are doing too many calculations then you are not approaching the problem the right way. I got at least 3 problems in the my GMAT PRep 3 exam for Math where I should have calculated ( one was a venn diagram ) and I would have gotten the answer right. So another lesson to take to the exam hall is - Solve a question if you want to be sure. And basic math to little bit of math is okay and may be even required.

You aren't wrong! The best students, though, know how to comfortably solve problems either with calculation or with a 'back of the napkin' method. However, because timing is absolutely critical in Quant, and the 'back of the napkin' method is usually faster for students who are proficient with both methods, the best students often lean towards doing the latter. And before test day, you should spend all the time you need to get 100% comfortable with every way to solve a problem. That gives you the best possible chance of solving problems quickly when you take the test.

But on test day, nobody's keeping tabs on how you solve a problem. If you aren't proficient with the 'back of the napkin' methods, then you aren't going to suddenly be able to do them on test day - instead, if you're inadequately prepared, your options on test day are to solve the problem mathematically, or not at all. Committing yourself to mathematical approaches only means that you'll need to be much more cautious with your timing (and with other considerations, such as avoiding careless algebraic errors or mistranslating the problem). But if that's the situation you're in on test day, be honest with yourself about it and make the best of it. Maybe you didn't spend enough time learning to pick smart numbers, and in a perfect world, you'd be able to go back in time and learn how to do it extremely effectively. But if you didn't spend that time, then do the problem however you can, but be aware that you'll be walking away from more problems (in the interest of time) than you would be if you'd prepared more thoroughly.
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In Math I have heard a lot about this - If you are doing too many calculations then you are not approaching the problem the right way. I got at least 3 problems in the my GMAT PRep 3 exam for Math where I should have calculated ( one was a venn diagram ) and I would have gotten the answer right. So another lesson to take to the exam hall is - Solve a question if you want to be sure. And basic math to little bit of math is okay and may be even required.

You aren't wrong! The best students, though, know how to comfortably solve problems either with calculation or with a 'back of the napkin' method. However, because timing is absolutely critical in Quant, and the 'back of the napkin' method is usually faster for students who are proficient with both methods, the best students often lean towards doing the latter. And before test day, you should spend all the time you need to get 100% comfortable with every way to solve a problem. That gives you the best possible chance of solving problems quickly when you take the test.

But on test day, nobody's keeping tabs on how you solve a problem. If you aren't proficient with the 'back of the napkin' methods, then you aren't going to suddenly be able to do them on test day - instead, if you're inadequately prepared, your options on test day are to solve the problem mathematically, or not at all. Committing yourself to mathematical approaches only means that you'll need to be much more cautious with your timing (and with other considerations, such as avoiding careless algebraic errors or mistranslating the problem). But if that's the situation you're in on test day, be honest with yourself about it and make the best of it. Maybe you didn't spend enough time learning to pick smart numbers, and in a perfect world, you'd be able to go back in time and learn how to do it extremely effectively. But if you didn't spend that time, then do the problem however you can, but be aware that you'll be walking away from more problems (in the interest of time) than you would be if you'd prepared more thoroughly.

Thanks for your reply. What I was trying to say was, from reading on various forums and watching a few videos here and there, I had heard a lot about - "if you are doing too much math on a problem, you are doing something wrong." My takeaway was some problems you to do the calculations.

In any case, 3 days to go for the exam. I will not change any strategies that I have. :)
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Thank you, however, we do need the ESR scores (on a 6-51 scale, rather than correct, incorrect per category)

Alright, I updated my original post earlier in the thread.

Looking at the results I think if I can put together a similar quant performance as my last exam, as well as improving my CR and RC scores to what I have done in the past I can get or surpass my goal score. Does doing better on one topic lead to more difficult questions on the other types? For example, did my strong performance on SC in my final exam give me harder RC and CR questions and I performed worse, or was it just a coincidence?
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Does doing better on one topic lead to more difficult questions on the other types? For example, did my strong performance on SC in my final exam give me harder RC and CR questions and I performed worse, or was it just a coincidence?
Apart from individual RC sets, the GMAT is adaptive on a question level. That is, the GMAT algorithm doesn't care whether the response it's getting is from an SC question or a CR question. It will ensure that it gives you the right mix of questions (so that the test is balanced), but the question type is irrelevant (the characteristics of the question determine what happens to your score estimate). Just keep in mind that the actual GMAT will also throw some experimental questions at you, and they won't count (at all).
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Shadowfax, my GMATPrep mock exam scores were (over the course of the last month):

Free exam 1: 550 (1st time) 710 (retake after a month)
Free exam 2: 570
EP1 exam 1: 530
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EP2 exam 1: 590
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I got a 710 THREE TIMES, yet I scored 610 on the actual exam just yesterday. These mocks are good for boosting confidence, but may be deceiving.
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Shadowfax, my GMATPrep mock exam scores were (over the course of the last month):

Free exam 1: 550 (1st time) 710 (retake after a month)
Free exam 2: 570
EP1 exam 1: 530
EP1 exam 2: 710
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EP2 exam 2: 710

I got a 710 THREE TIMES, yet I scored 610 on the actual exam just yesterday. These mocks are good for boosting confidence, but may be deceiving.

Hi Samirabrahao1,

Thanks for your post on this thread. The variance in your Exam 1 and Exam 2 ( GMAT Prep ) for each pack is significant. Were you able to identify the reasons for that?
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