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I think banning agold is the wrong move. I don't agree with all his posts, but I have enough judgment and confidence to reject some of what he says while taking to heart some of the more useful info that he posts (posted?).

Every family has a crazy uncle, or the arrogant cousin - it doesn't mean you leave them out of the invite list for the Christmas party.

Lastly, a true forum is one where differing opinions can exist together and even flourish. If we start banning people left and right, then GMATclub stops being a useful resource. I personally don't find agold to be the most abrasive regular poster of GMATClub. In fact, he is probably not even in the top 3!

Please re-consider your decision to ban agold.
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This was by far my favorite post in this thread. Kudos msday for being the voice of reason :)
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shame on u agold for not quoting my post as ur fav! need i remind u that I started the bring agold back campaign!
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C'mon!!

My Electoral Vote prediction thread gets banished to Off-Topic and this thread gets 5 pages of replies in less than 3 hours? :P

Time to move on, folks.
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I'm gonna have to start monitoring GC on my iphone. Step back for a couple of hours and you miss something like this.

Glad it's all sorted out now though.
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now u know how we really feel abt u solaris! :P
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i have produced t shirts that say
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let me know if you want one
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Note to the people saying things about me having a hand in this...I didn't ban Agold, I sent him a note about his comment which was in poor taste. People who frequent the board would get that he was kidding but thats a small number of people that actually read this site. It came across as very "BW" like.
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Note to the people saying things about me having a hand in this...I didn't ban Agold, I sent him a note about his comment which was in poor taste. People who frequent the board would get that he was kidding but thats a small number of people that actually read this site. It came across as very "BW" like.
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I apologize. My gut reaction was that you banned me, because I believed that board of directors were the only ones allowed to ban moderators. I did not realize that moderators can ban other moderators.

I doubt that this limitation is consistently on everyone's minds. We generally choose moderators here that do not abuse their powers.
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This is the first forum-like drama (between mods) to take place since I've been posting here.

Says a lot about this place. Very civil. 8-)

And this forum got over it faster than others. Good job guys!
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This happens once every year. It is a difficult time for all of you. things will be fine.
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I noticed my moderator status has been taken away. Can you explain the reasoning? I wasn't the one abusing those priviliges (In fact, I don't think I've ever deleted or censored anyone's posts, nor have I banned anyone). I guess I don't need the priviliges, but I still thought this was awkward.

I thought the common consensus of the population of the board (based on posts on this thread by just about everyone except for riverripper and jallenmorris), and please correct me if I am wrong guys, is that jallenmorris was out of line and that his moderator status should be taken away?

Unless my moderator status is restored, or jallenmorris' moderator status is also removed, I will be spending a lot less time here. This is really a slap in the face at the end of what was already a pretty ridiculous day on the board.

The following people all supported me in this thread, and I would assume that they, along with countless others would like to see me remain a moderator and an active contributor on this board (please correct me if I'm wrong or being arrogant guys):

egy
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The only person who has defended jallenmorris' actions today has been:

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LOL! True colors of this forum come out. Well done Mr. Moderators. Lame to the max.

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I noticed my moderator status has been taken away. Can you explain the reasoning? I wasn't the one abusing those priviliges (In fact, I don't think I've ever deleted or censored anyone's posts, nor have I banned anyone). I guess I don't need the priviliges, but I still thought this was awkward.

I thought the common consensus of the population of the board (based on posts on this thread by just about everyone except for riverripper and jallenmorris), and please correct me if I am wrong guys, is that jallenmorris was out of line and that his moderator status should be taken away?

Unless my moderator status is restored, or jallenmorris' moderator status is also removed, I will be spending a lot less time here. This is really a slap in the face at the end of what was already a pretty ridiculous day on the board.

The following people all supported me in this thread, and I would assume that they, along with countless others would like to see me remain a moderator and an active contributor on this board (please correct me if I'm wrong or being arrogant guys):

egy
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The only person who has defended jallenmorris' actions today has been:

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I noticed my moderator status has been taken away. Can you explain the reasoning? I wasn't the one abusing those priviliges (In fact, I don't think I've ever deleted or censored anyone's posts, nor have I banned anyone). I guess I don't need the priviliges, but I still thought this was awkward.

I thought the common consensus of the population of the board (based on posts on this thread by just about everyone except for riverripper and jallenmorris), and please correct me if I am wrong guys, is that jallenmorris was out of line and that his moderator status should be taken away?

Unless my moderator status is restored, or jallenmorris' moderator status is also removed, I will be spending a lot less time here. This is really a slap in the face at the end of what was already a pretty ridiculous day on the board.

The following people all supported me in this thread, and I would assume that they, along with countless others would like to see me remain a moderator and an active contributor on this board (please correct me if I'm wrong or being arrogant guys):

egy
nadtrans
solaris1
Sleepy
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msday86
IHateTheGMAT

The only person who has defended jallenmorris' actions today has been:

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agold, I was political about this earlier but I'm also on your side on this.

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To the moderators who revoked agold's mod access:
I fail to follow how you can revoke a major contributor's access based on a single misguided post. Didn't you make him a moderator in the first place? Doesn't that speak a lot about his contribution? What about the other 1300+ helpful posts, and the time he's spent on this forum? At the worst, he would come across as arrogant (or even slightly elitist) in that thread, but I imagine most people can deal with that? I'm applying to some non-M7 universities, but take no offense to his comments. In fact, by making such a big deal out of it, a major site such as this is potentially making a poor judgement call, by siding with one moderator (who despite his major contributions, was also somewhat at fault) over another. Revoking his access will simply exacerbate this issue. I think msday, egy and others have eloquently argued in favor of agold, so I'll spare other details.

From the site owners standpoint - I can see how what one may term "insensitivity" can potentially impact traffic or the site's reputation, especially during a relatively important part of the year. But this isn't a sticky and doesn't need to be around. If you don't make a big deal out of it, its an issue only for a day and then it's gone, no one will remember it tomorrow. I urge you to re-consider your decision. Jallenmorris has already acknowledged his mistake, and despite his rightful intentions of defending the site's position, his actions were clearly inappropriate.
</steps off soapbox>
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agold, I dont appreciate being singled out for anything I did. I did not support jallen's actions so dont say I did. I told him his comments were inappropriate just like I told you that yours were. Its a two way street, unfortunately you started the way down that street. I did not take sides in this at all but I must admit your last post was pretty childish. Instead of whining about it in a post, why not PM praet and find out the reasoning. Even those of us in bold blue dont have the power to take away moderator privledges...at least not to my knowledge. Honestly your post wasn't the best representation of what this board is about. And by the way your ranting about this wont exactly help your cause.

Personally, you may not mean to, but your posts often come across as looking down on any school outside the top 10. Just because you wouldnt go to those schools doesnt mean there aren't tens of thousands that would. You may say it in a half joking manner but there are lots of people who come here interested in those schools who dont know that you are "kidding." As a moderator like it or not your opinions tend to be taken as a reflection of the board as a whole...and I could see why that would not be something desired by those running this site.

Remember on the internet people cant see body language or hear the tone of your voice so what you write reads like you are serious, so a lot of people will take it that way.

Note, I didn't have anything to do with this decision but honestly I can understand it. This isn't a ban since you are still posting, I think its more of a reflection as to whether they want to endorse your opinions...and its clear they do not. If they didn't want you to post things like you do they would have banned you but at the same time they dont want to add validity to your opinions. Personally, I never really use my moderator status so I don't see the big deal. I think Rhyme, Pelihu, and the Aau are the only people who were mods when I arrived that still have mod status. Most of the people who were mods last year are no longer mods either.
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Beautifully stated, river. Anything I tried to add would just be redundant.
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I find it ludicrous that a moderator even has the ability to ban another moderator on these forums, and perhaps this technicality should be looked into by Praet and the rest of the board of directors.
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I haven't looked at the argument because I was interviewing at Chicago today, but I agree that equal-level mods shouldn't be able to ban each other. Only a higher level mod should be able to ban another lower-level mod (e.g. river banning me, or Praet banning river -- not that I'm condoning either).
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I find it ludicrous that a moderator even has the ability to ban another moderator on these forums, and perhaps this technicality should be looked into by Praet and the rest of the board of directors.

I haven't looked at the argument because I was interviewing at Chicago today, but I agree that equal-level mods shouldn't be able to ban each other. Only a higher level mod should be able to ban another lower-level mod (e.g. river banning me, or Praet banning river -- not that I'm condoning either).
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sonibubu, I will only ban you if you the Cavs beat the Celtics in the playoffs this year.
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I find it ludicrous that a moderator even has the ability to ban another moderator on these forums, and perhaps this technicality should be looked into by Praet and the rest of the board of directors.

I haven't looked at the argument because I was interviewing at Chicago today, but I agree that equal-level mods shouldn't be able to ban each other. Only a higher level mod should be able to ban another lower-level mod (e.g. river banning me, or Praet banning river -- not that I'm condoning either).
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:oops: We will try to address this. :oops:

riverripper's post is why he has earned his respect. he knows what we are about. if you do not understand what he is saying, you do not belong here. :)
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I find it ludicrous that a moderator even has the ability to ban another moderator on these forums, and perhaps this technicality should be looked into by Praet and the rest of the board of directors.

I haven't looked at the argument because I was interviewing at Chicago today, but I agree that equal-level mods shouldn't be able to ban each other. Only a higher level mod should be able to ban another lower-level mod (e.g. river banning me, or Praet banning river -- not that I'm condoning either).

sonibubu, I will only ban you if you the Cavs beat the Celtics in the playoffs this year.
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Don't you people ever get sick of winning championships?

BTW funniest thing, I met a total of 5 GMATclub members today at Chicago Booth and one of them (Meowzilla) was on her iphone reading GMATclub and was like "ari gold just got banned!" and I was like "wtf, by who?" and she says "The guy kissing his own ass."

I pretty much guessed what happened at that point.
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Also, just to ease any resentment or tension, does anyone else agree this thread should be deleted? We can probably move on at this point.
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