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Does the "in other words" part simply rephrase "machinery imposes appropriate forms on order of society"?
Not exactly. I would say that the role of "in other words" here is to elevate the level of analysis to a bigger picture perspective, so it's more of an inference than a rephrase. Analogy:
James gets custody of the children by misrepresenting his wife's financial situation: she is supposed to be, for example, losing her home. The alternative to giving James custody, in other words, is to let the children live on the street.
Letting the children live on the street isn't exactly a rephrase of the mother losing her home.
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My second question pertains to question 587 ("The information in the passage suggests that Clark believes that which of the following would be true if social constructivism had not gained widespread acceptance?"). I am confused as to how we can draw "social change" from lines 9-11. From my understanding, these lines just say tech can determine social and managerial organization. Drawing "social change" from that seems like a far stretch?
It seems to me, woohoo921, that the relevant text for this question is the following:
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Clark makes the point that the characteristics of a technology have a decisive influence on job skills and work organization. Put more strongly, technology can be a primary determinant of social and managerial organization. Clark believes this possibility has been obscured by the recent sociological fashion
I boldfaced the word "obscured" because that seems to be the crux of what Clark believes is the impact of social constructivism gaining widespread acceptance. So, Clark believes "this possibility" has been obscured. What possibility, exactly?
the characteristics of a technology have a decisive influence on job skills and work organization. Put more strongly, technology can be a primary determinant of social and managerial organization
So, we're looking for an answer choice that shows what might have happened had this possibility not been obscured.
Now, woohoo921, you're asking how we can go from tech can determine social and managerial organization to technology producing social change?
Well, yes, if something can determine social organization... then it can produce social change. If you can determine how something is organized, then you can change the way that it is organized.
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Does the "in other words" part simply rephrase "machinery imposes appropriate forms on order of society"?
Not exactly. I would say that the role of "in other words" here is to elevate the level of analysis to a bigger picture perspective, so it's more of an inference than a rephrase. Analogy:
James gets custody of the children by misrepresenting his wife's financial situation: she is supposed to be, for example, losing her home. The alternative to giving James custody, in other words, is to let the children live on the street.
Letting the children live on the street isn't exactly a rephrase of the mother losing her home.
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My second question pertains to question 587 ("The information in the passage suggests that Clark believes that which of the following would be true if social constructivism had not gained widespread acceptance?"). I am confused as to how we can draw "social change" from lines 9-11. From my understanding, these lines just say tech can determine social and managerial organization. Drawing "social change" from that seems like a far stretch?
It seems to me, woohoo921, that the relevant text for this question is the following:
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Clark makes the point that the characteristics of a technology have a decisive influence on job skills and work organization. Put more strongly, technology can be a primary determinant of social and managerial organization. Clark believes this possibility has been obscured by the recent sociological fashion
I boldfaced the word "obscured" because that seems to be the crux of what Clark believes is the impact of social constructivism gaining widespread acceptance. So, Clark believes "this possibility" has been obscured. What possibility, exactly?
the characteristics of a technology have a decisive influence on job skills and work organization. Put more strongly, technology can be a primary determinant of social and managerial organization
So, we're looking for an answer choice that shows what might have happened had this possibility not been obscured.
Now, woohoo921, you're asking how we can go from tech can determine social and managerial organization to technology producing social change?
Well, yes, if something can determine social organization... then it can produce social change. If you can determine how something is organized, then you can change the way that it is organized.

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Thank you so much! You are the best!

I have one more follow-up question, why does the author put "technological determinists are supposed to believe" after the colon? I realize that this is discussed above, but is this the constructivists saying, "technological determinists are supposed to believe"?

Thank you again.
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I have one more follow-up question, why does the author put "technological determinists are supposed to believe" after the colon? I realize that this is discussed above, but is this the constructivists saying, "technological determinists are supposed to believe”
It’s an example of how the constructivists misrepresent technological determinism, woohoo921.
So, the constructivists are saying “technological determinists believe.”
The author is saying “are supposed to” in order to show us that the technological determinists DON’T truly believe - the constructivists are using trickery to make us think that the determinists believe.

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Hello Experts,
Found this passage really dense and very difficult to comprehend.
Got 3/8.. Can you all please give some tips on how to tackle with such long and "difficult to understand" passages?
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Can you all please give some tips on how to tackle with such long and "difficult to understand" passages?

The essential underlying principles of RC don't significantly vary with differences in the content, so, mostly this will come down to developing a more solid understanding of how GMAT RC problems (and their answer choices) work in general.

One insight that you may find helpful here, though, is that you can usually ascertain main ideas from statements that are made in more general terms, WITHOUT highly technical language. You'll almost certainly find these statements far easier to comprehend than technical-jargon-filled statements of more specific facts.



In this passage, for instance, the following statements (broken down paragraph by paragraph) are definitely good enough to determine the main idea:

Jon Clark’s study ... is a solid contribution to a debate that encompasses ... technological determinism and social constructivism.
—> These are the two sides of the debate here

Clark believes ... has been obscured by ... [the idea] exemplified by Braverman’s analysis. ...
This position represents ... social constructivism.
—> So Clark is OPPOSED to "social constructivism"

The constructivists gain acceptance by misrepresenting technological determinism...
—> "Social constructivism" is basically lies, then

Clark refutes the extremes of the constructivists. ...
—> Clark says NO to social constructivism (and therefore YES to technological determinism)




Note just how little understanding of the technical details is necessary to determine the main idea. That's not an isolated feature of this passage—you should find that the same is true across the GMAT RC section, ESPECIALLY for passages with unusual amounts of highly technical detail. The more technical and complicated the details are, the LESS important it will be for you to fully 'get' them!
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P2 : Clark believes ... has been obscured by ... [the idea] exemplified by Braverman’s analysis. ...
This position represents ... social constructivism.
—> So Clark is OPPOSED to "social constructivism"


Hi RonTargetTestPrep - From Para 2 - I dont understand how you believe "Clark is OPPOSED to "social constructivism"

Could you assist?

All I understood form para 2 is :
(a) There is a new kind of "social constructivism"
(b) We dont know as of para 2 if John Clark is in favor of this new "social constructivism"

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P3: The constructivists gain acceptance by misrepresenting technological determinism...
—> "Social constructivism" is basically lies, then
I dont see how one can say the "New Social constructivism" is basically lies

P3, all i can gather is
(a) "New Social constructivism" lies about Technological determinism
(b) Rest of the para is about how "Social constructivism" lies about Technological determinism
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Hi RonTargetTestPrep - From Para 2 - I dont understand how you believe "Clark is OPPOSED to "social constructivism"

Could you assist?

Sure.

Express summary of the first three sentences of ¶2:
• Clark makes a point. (So this is definitely something that Clark believes/accepts.)
• Here's a stronger statement of the same point.
• But there's a new, 'fashionable' idea—stated by Braverman—that's currently OBSCURING that point.

At this point we know that, according to Clark, a newfangled 'fashion' of an idea (this is not a compliment! Calling an academic idea a 'fashion' pretty clearly implies that it's an unserious idea that'll fade away soon enough....) is distracting attention away from HIS point ("obscuring" his point).

It's quite clear that Clark does not hold a favorable opinion of the idea propounded by Braverman.


(Even if you didn't pick up this negative judgment here, you'll definitely get it once you reach ¶4, in which it's explicitly stated that Clark REFUTES the idea put forward by constructivists (Braverman's crowd).



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P3: The constructivists gain acceptance by misrepresenting technological determinism...
—> "Social constructivism" is basically lies, then
I dont see how one can say the "New Social constructivism" is basically lies

P3, all i can gather is
(a) "New Social constructivism" lies about Technological determinism
(b) Rest of the para is about how "Social constructivism" lies about Technological determinism

From the red stuff, it looks as though you've figured out that the presentation here is "social constructivism = lies"... that's literally the content of both of those statements!
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Hi, could an expert please point me to a material, an app or a website where I can get comfortable with this sort of language? This passage pretty much blew me away and I had to spend a lot of time (not looking at the timer) just to understand what the author meant. I appreciate that I need to work on my weakness but I normally don't find this sort of condensed language and information in normal newspapers and articles I read on Economist etc. I would really appreciate a pointer to the material to read this sort of language and get comfortable. Thanks.
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Hi, could an expert please point me to a material, an app or a website where I can get comfortable with this sort of language? This passage pretty much blew me away and I had to spend a lot of time (not looking at the timer) just to understand what the author meant. I appreciate that I need to work on my weakness but I normally don't find this sort of condensed language and information in normal newspapers and articles I read on Economist etc. I would really appreciate a pointer to the material to read this sort of language and get comfortable. Thanks.

If your main goal is to expose yourself to a greater volume of similar writing, you could search for academic journal articles in the same area of study:

• First, use a search to find the names of some journals.
E.g., this article is from business history, so, I might type business history journal into a search engine.

• Then, explore the sites of journals you find to see whether there are any free articles.
Most journal content, unfortunately, will be behind a paywall. However, it's common for journals to make a small number of articles available for free download.

One result of doing these steps here:
• The search above reveals that there's a journal called Business History.
• I went to that journal's site.
• I went through an article list. On the page that shows up first ("Issue 6"), two articles are available in full length online (you can also download them as PDFs):
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10 ... 17299?src=
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10 ... 20.1856076
From the next set, "Issue 5" (a link I clicked at the top of the page):
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10 ... 21.1919092
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10 ... 21.1918105

And so on.

I don't really know where you can go to consistently find articles that are short enough to be GMAT passages. You'll probably find that most articles—whether they're from academic journals (like the ones above) or from newspapers-of-record such as the NY Times—are much longer than GMAT passages. But, given your stated goal of raw exposure to more text of this kind, mismatched length shouldn't be any sort of real problem.
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I got 7/8 correct, but I just could not comprehend my understanding of Q4.

After almost reading the question 10 times, I am sure that the question is asking about "the option emphasizing the social constructivists' view".

And as per the passage, the constructivists believe "that the workers influence the technology or the technological change is the outcome of negotiations among interested parties.", whereas determinists believe that technology, an external factor, influences the workers' skill and organization.

Even in most of the explanations of the answers, B is written to be the social constructivists' view, but choice A is given to be the answer.

What am I really missing here? What is the question asking? Or is my understanding of the constructivists' view incorrect?
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I got 7/8 correct, but I just could not comprehend my understanding of Q4.

After almost reading the question 10 times, I am sure that the question is asking about "the option emphasizing the social constructivists' view".

And as per the passage, the constructivists believe "that the workers influence the technology or the technological change is the outcome of negotiations among interested parties.", whereas determinists believe that technology, an external factor, influences the workers' skill and organization.

Even in most of the explanations of the answers, B is written to be the social constructivists' view, but choice A is given to be the answer.

What am I really missing here? What is the question asking? Or is my understanding of the constructivists' view incorrect?
suman94 you've actually understood both camps correctly, but there's a subtle trick in the question wording that's causing the confusion!

The Key Distinction You Missed:

Look carefully at what the question asks for:

"...most clearly exemplifies the social constructivists' version of technological determinism"

This is NOT asking for:
  • The social constructivists' view
  • The actual technological determinists' view

It's asking for: How social constructivists MISREPRESENT technological determinism

Think of it this way: "X's version of Y's view" means "how X portrays Y's view" (which may be a distortion).

Where the Passage Tells Us This:

Paragraph \(3\) explicitly states:

"The constructivists gain acceptance by misrepresenting technological determinism: technological determinists are supposed to believe, for example, that machinery imposes appropriate forms of order on society."

The passage is saying social constructivists create a strawman version of technological determinism – an extreme, oversimplified version that ignores any social factors.

Why Choice (A) is Correct:

(A) "It is the available technology that determines workers' skills, rather than workers' skills influencing the application of technology."

This presents technology as the sole determinant with zero social influence – exactly the extreme, one-dimensional view that constructivists falsely attribute to determinists.

Why Choice (B) is Wrong:

(B) "All progress in industrial technology grows out of a continuing negotiation between technological possibility and human need."

You're absolutely right that this describes the actual constructivist view! But that's not what the question asks for. The question asks for the misrepresented version of determinism, not the constructivist position itself.

Hope that addresses your doubt now? If you still feel any confusion, please feel free to reach out!
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